For those freaking out about the coronavirus, if they develop a vaccine, will you get it?

[Aristus]

I'm only asking because influenza is still the much deadlier killer of the two viruses, and yet I've lost count of the patients who have refused the flu vaccine, despite my best efforts to convince them of its general efficacy, and the virulence of the flu virus.

Because if you want to develop talking points about how a coronavirus vaccine has polonium in it, or it doesn't come with a package insert, or washing your hands a lot is more effective, or Big Pharma execs by a yacht with the proceeds of every dose of vaccine, or Jim Carrey says not to, now is your opportunity, before the immunization is developed.

[Iliyah]

1. Will it be free or least at reasonable cost?....

[Aristus]

4. Undoubtedly.

It's much cheaper to offer vaccine free or at low cost than it is to contain a pandemic.

[Turbineguy]

35. Cheap.

Today's market meltdown shaved about $6,000 of my retirement account.

[CentralMass]

2. Most likely yes.

[we can do it]

3. Absolutely.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Of course. It would be stupid not to.

[Aristus]

7. Lot of stupid people out there.

One can always tell them by their favorite refusal: "I just don't want to."

No talking points. No "Jenny McCarthy said..." No refutation of the science of immunization. Just "I just don't want to..." The only thing worse than an anti-vaxxer is a lazy anti-vaxxer.

[Qanisqineq]

6. I don't usually get the flu vaccine, but yes

I don't usually get the flu vaccine because I am unemployed and not really around a lot of people. My husband has to get it due to the military. Now that my daughter has started kindergarten, I wish I had gotten it this year!

Anyway, I would get the coronavirus vaccine. We were planning on visiting South Korea this summer but don't know what will happen now. We lived there for many years, mostly in Daegu -- the city with the big outbreak -- and want to move back. My daughter's heart is broken. She's never been to Korea and she wanted to go to the dinosaur expo taking place this year.

[Rebl2]

14. You can

still get it for her. It’s not to late. They think now the flu will be around through April.

[unblock]

8. i'm under the impression that any coronavirus vaccine would technically be a "flu vacine".

isn't coronavirus a term for a whole category of viruses that cause variants of the cold or the flu?

and isn't covid-19 merely the latest strain?
with, apparently, a possibly slightly higher death rate (and that, possibly just because no specific vaccine for it yet exists)?




anyway, i already got the "normal" flu vaccine. of course i'd get the covid-19 vaccine for the whole family whenever it should become available....

[defacto7]

38. It will be a COVID-19 vaccine. Your correct, it's not the flu.

You are off on one point... it's not slightly more deadly. It's considerably more deadly. People are still using the 2% number but the experts are not. Even so, 2% vs. .05% is a big difference.

[unblock]

40. but how much of the 2% vs 0.05% difference is due to the lack of vaccine?

asked another way, what would the death rate for "ordinary" flu be in a completely un-vaccinated community?

[defacto7]

84. My guess is much higher but I don't know the vacation rate.

How many get it how many don't? I know a lot of people who do not. I know family members who just didn't have the time the last couple years. I just don't know.

The problem with COVID-19 is no one will be vaccinated for probably the next year or so. This thing mutates fast so they need to come up with something wide spectrum enough to make it viable or it will just keep becoming obsolete.

[Corgigal]

9. Yes,

But it will take over a year. Influenza isn’t the most deadly, because we don’t know what the coronavirus final numbers will be. We’re not even sure of its RO, but it’s higher then influenza.

[MFM008]

10. Yes

GET YOUR VACCINES.

[Raftergirl]

11. Abdolutely

I get flu shot every year. I got the pneumonia shot (good for ten years) and both the original shingles vaccine and the new and improved vaccine.

I don’t want to get anything that could be prevented.

[ooky]

12. I will be the first in line.

After nearly dying from a virus in 2012, the lesson I learned is don't screw around with a virus - it can kill your ass.

[Nonhlanhla]

13. Duh, of course

If they made it available today, I would have been in line at the pharmacy at 5 AM. I'm an asthmatic, so this thing has a high likelihood of killing me if I get it. I'm frankly quite terrified.

[NewJeffCT]

15. in terms of total numbers yes, the coronavirus is not as deadly as the flu

but, I think the mortality rate so far is much higher.

[Aristus]

16. That's not always enough to convince the anti-vaxxers.

When I recite the mortality rate so far this flu season due to the influenza virus, they still shrug and say: "I just don't want to."

[bronxiteforever]

17. Absolutely

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Even if I was someone who didn't habitually get the flu shot

And I have to for my job, so I do, I would absolutely get a coronavirus vaccine.

Yes the number of deaths from flu are greater so far, because of the vast number of cases, but for any given individual who gets the flu, the risk of death is very low, unless there are other factors at play.

Coronavirus appears to have a dramatically higher risk of severe illness, and death than the flu does.

I'd like an honest answer from you on this, if you were given a choice between getting the flu and getting a case of coronavirus, which one would you choose?

[Aristus]

21. I think the question should be: which one would I prefer to be exposed to?

The flu, because I've been vaccinated.

[Crunchy Frog]

28. I've been vaccinated too, and given a choice between

GETTING the flu and GETTING the coronavirus, I would go with the flu.

I'm guessing that you're not going to actually answer the question I asked you.

[Aristus]

30. It's like asking "Do you still beat your wife?"

It's designed to elicit an unfavorable answer either way.

[Crunchy Frog]

31. I really don't understand how, but whatever.

[misanthrope]

68. I have emphysema so yes

My pulmonologist would likely advise me getting the vaccine.

[Iggo]

19. I wear seatbelts, even though they are not 100% effective.

[3catwoman3]

62. Excellent point.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

20. Yes

I will get it because I am diabetic.

[Johnny2X2X]

22. They're already testing a vaccine

They think it will work, mass production and distribution will take some time though.

[Liberal In Texas]

23. Sure. If it's been tested to be safe.

Effective as well.

[Aristus]

24. You mean, like all the other vaccines out there.

Excellent.

[Retrograde]

25. If it's available, sure

I hope it's not like the new shingles vaccine, which seems to be hard to get around here.

[MontanaMama]

26. Wicked expensive too.

My copay for that vaccination is $275.

[Hearthrob]

44. Final solution is promising

Don't worry. Trump has already ordered more cages from his secret for profit prison builder 18th cousin.
Any vaccine refusers will be admtted on a first come basis pending insurance for out of network coverage. He has already arranged for treble copays and deductibles in advance. He has promised to arrange for asylum seekers without insurance to volunteer to share space on the banks of the Rio Grande if the non insured will bring their own bedding and teach undoc. residents how to cook American dishes on a budget. It will then be declared a national emergency so any survivors left will be trained in wall building.
.

[ploppy]

27. I remember

having the measles, mumps and chicken pox like it was yesterday. I will get a vaccine for anything!!

[brewens]

29. Absolutely. Even if it's not as deadly as the flue, it sounds like a bad thing to go through.

I get a flue shot every year now, but I've had the flue a few times and it wasn't as bad as what the corona virus sounds like.

[Dorian Gray]

32. I get the flu vaccine and I will get this vaccine

absolutely.

[Jirel]

33. Probably not, for a while.

We have a bad record when rushing out poorly tested vaccines, which may be the case with a quick release on a COVID-19 vaccine. (Remember the problems with the experimental anthrax vaccine in the Gulf War? The failed HIV vac test?) I’ll be watching carefully and get it if it seems to be going well, but won’t be one of the earliest adopters.

[jpak]

86. Bullshit

Utter.

Yup

[Raine]

95. I feel the same nt

[AJT]

34. I get an annual flu shot, I will get this one too.

[csziggy]

36. Yes, I would

I am at risk for respiratory infections. In fact, just as I opened this thread I was thinking I needed to get the flu vaccine which was not available the last time I tried. And I need to check with my doctor's office if I should update my pneumonia vaccine. I got one of the older ones when it was first introduced and I am not sure if there is a need to get a booster or a newer version now.

[spinbaby]

37. Of course

I get vaccinated for everything. Why wouldn’t I?

[defacto7]

39. Without a doubt, yes.

[melm00se]

41. As a relatively healthy person

I would look at getting the vaccine if there is sufficient availability to cover the people who truly need it and then there is enough for me.

[klook]

55. Better answer than mine.

It should go to the hardest-hit countries and regions first. Of course, with our “Me first, fuck-all-y’all” federal government at the moment, they’ll probably want to hoard it for Murkans.

[nini]

42. yes

I'm getting old enough to not screw around with this stuff anymore. However, I always got my shots.

[DavidDvorkin]

43. Of course I will

And for the same reason that I get a flu shot every year.

[Midnight Writer]

45. If you get Coronavirus and survive it, does that give you future immunity?

[Aristus]

47. My sources don't cover that, but since Coronavirus is part of the betacoronavirus family,

which includes a number of viruses responsible for influenza and the common cold, the likelihood is yes. But with the caveat that if the virus mutates from season to season, like a number of others, then when a vaccine is developed, it will probably become standard to administer it every year.

[Midnight Writer]

48. Thank you. I have not seen this addressed in the media coverage.

[smirkymonkey]

46. Yes.

I get the flu shot every year as well.

[Drahthaardogs]

49. Shoot me up!

Please

[Amishman]

50. Yes, Corona virus mortality rate is rising, now around 3.3%

~2700 dead, ~80000 known cases gives 3.375%

Put into a pandemic setting where quality of care drops due to system strain, and that easily doubles.

This thing is very frightening

[redstatebluegirl]

51. Of course! I am not an anti science anti vaxer.

[onecaliberal]

52. Yes

[klook]

53. Not freaking out, and Yes, I'll gladly get the shot when available. (nt)

[AlexSFCA]

54. without a doubt

[Skittles]

56. you call it, Aristus

people I work with freaking out over coronavirus, they refuse to get FLU shots (you know, the usual selfish I NEVER GET THE FLU reason)

[jimfields33]

57. I'd talk to my doctor first as everyone should

I’m a vaccine taker but is this really necessary? 65 out of 325 million have/had it and no deaths in the United States.

[Aristus]

59. Well, a vaccine hasn't been produced yet, but there's hope that one will be soon.

But the important thing to remember is that vaccines are not just about preventing an individual patient from getting sick, but also about preventing the spread of the disease.

The 'invisible benefit' of vaccines, that if no one gets sick that means it was successful, can often harm the concept of vaccination itself. I.E: "No one is getting sick, so what's the point of getting immunized?"

If a safe and effective vaccine is developed, we should all get it to ensure a decrease in the spread of the virus.

[jimfields33]

60. Good points.

[jimfields33]

92. For follower types, I'm not surprised.

[jpljr77]

58. Flu is NOT a much deadlier killer than this virus. It's not even close.

Now, if you had said that the flu kills more people, then yes, you're right. But this virus' morbidity rate is somewhere around 3%....flu is absolutely nowhere near that, making the novel coronavirus a "much deadlier killer" than flu.

We get it, you love vaccines.

[Aristus]

67. Well......no......I don't LOVE vaccines, as it were. I respect them, certainly.

I don't want them to help me pick out curtains or anything. Just help check the spread of disease.

Although relative morbidity is certainly an important factor, it doesn't decrease the necessity of getting vaccines for the diseases for which they are available. Right now, with coronavirus, the issue is containment.

For all the people out there who say: "I don't need a vaccine. I wash my hands very carefully and never sneeze without covering my face" this is their chance to shine. They can help reduce the spread of coronavirus and buy us some time to develop an immunization.

[Crunchy Frog]

73. It's like saying that flu is much more deadly than rabies.

In this country there are barely any deaths from rabies and thousands of deaths every year from flu.

Would you prefer your chances with a case of rabies, or a case of flu?

(Rhetorical question.)

[Ex Lurker]

61. Yes. I'm in good health and would probably shake it off without too much difficulty

But I would hate to give it to someone else.

[roamer65]

63. Depends on future circumstances.

Maybe. It’s a judgment call like anything else in life.

If they get one...if they have enough...if the virus doesnt burn out...if the vaccine doesn’t cause severe allergic reactions...etc, etc.

[3catwoman3]

64. Aristus, I shake my head in sympathy with you. Trying to...

...persuade parents who do not wish to immunize is generally an exercise in futility. Sometimes, I don’t even wan to try.

One of my favorite moms in our practice does all the school vaccines with no hesitation. For reasons not clear to me, she allows her kids, 12, 8, and 5, to decide whether or not they want to get the flu shot. Guess what choice they make. I want to ask her, “Why the hell do you let them choose?” but of course, I cannot do that.

We had one mom who was absolutely terrified that we would make an immunization error. Educated as a peds nurse practitioner but never worked as one. She insisted that the entire procedure be done under her observation - draw up the diligent, mix it with the vaccine material, and draw it up. Atypical, but we accommodated her preference, She worried about lot of other things, too. Didn’t want her kids to have todo the swimming classes in high school PE because the chlorine bothered them.

Imagine my surprise when, in the middle of the SARS epidemic in China she decided her kids just had to learn Mandarin, sho she took them to China. I was speechless.

[Polybius]

65. Not at first

I want to see how people handle it first. I'd get it after a year if it's proven safe.

[MoonRiver]

66. Of course!

[Staph]

69. As soon as it's available!

I'm a 66 year old, with chronic stage IV cancer, living with my healthy 96 year old mother. We get our flu shots (and other shots, too) annually.

I need to get my second pneumonia shot and the shingles vaccine soon. Thanks for the reminder!

[Aristus]

70. Glad I could help.

[pnwmom]

71. I was one of the first lined up for the Swine Flu vaccine.

A week later the first cases of paralysis occurred.

So, no thanks. I'll let other people man the front lines this time.

[Aristus]

72. Unfortunately for your story, any link between Guillain-Barre Syndrome and the

H1N1 vaccine has never been conclusively proven. The increased risk of GBS secondary to H1N1 vaccination is around 1 in 100,000. One thing the CDC is pretty sure of is that GBS is more common among those who were infected with influenza than patients who underwent the immunization.

[pnwmom]

74. That doesn't change my story. I'd just had the vaccine, people were developing unexplained paralysis

and everyone who'd already had the vaccine, like me, had to sweat out the next couple weeks.

It wasn't fun. I was young and healthy and kicking myself for being among the first group of guinea pigs to line up for the new vaccine.

I'm not anti-vax. I get the regular flu vaccine every year and I was happy they invented the Shingles vaccine. But, like I said, I'll let others be the guinea pigs this time.

[budkin]

75. Yes to protect my family

Most of whom are medically fragile.

[captain queeg]

76. Sure. I don't like being sick

Finally got my follow up shingles shot today. I don’t think it’s 100% effective but I’ve known people who got shingles and I’d prefer to avoid it. Same with my annual flu shot.

[pbmus]

77. Not only will I be one of the first in line...I am also following who and when

The shot will be offered...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213011024

[cwydro]

78. Is there a vaccine?

Nah, didn’t think so.

[Totally Tunsie]

79. You betcha'!

In the meantime, already bought masks to have on hand if necessary and before the price quadruples.

[wryter2000]

80. Yes

Although I’m not freaking out

[Goodheart]

81. Silliest question I've heard all day!

Of course I will.

[Fresh_Start]

82. yes, I have some frail relatives who I need to protect

so we will get the vaccine to help keep them safe

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

83. Sign me up. I volunteer for the human trials.

And I'm not really freaking out. If I get it, I think I'm strong enough to recover. If not, well, my heirs can throw a nice party.

But I am pretty old, if that's a danger. I was a "polio vaccine pioneer" back when that was being tested/introduced.

[jpak]

85. You bet yo' sweet bippy I would

I'm pretty sure it would kill me...

[LAS14]

87. Of course! Now I'm going to have to skim this whole post to see if any DUers said no....

[Aristus]

90. Oh, you know, there are always a few...

[Delmette2.0]

88. Yes, I will get the vaccine.

I found out about 2 years ago that I don't have a right pulmonary artery. So, my right lung is there it just doesn't oxygenate my blood. I'm basically living off of one lung.
I'm also over 65.

Hell yes I'll get the vaccine.

[geomon666]

89. If my doctor recommends it, sure I'll get it.

But I won't go out of my way to ask for it.

[MicaelS]

93. I would volunteer to test the vaccine.

But they probably would not take me. Too old, too many other problems.

You can bet I will line up to get it though.

[Raine]

94. I would be hesitant about something that is rushed

into production so fast.

[In_The_Wind]

96. Yes