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Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:51 PM

After a three week break Republicans are back to talking about Hunter Biden and Burisma


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Reply After a three week break Republicans are back to talking about Hunter Biden and Burisma (Original post)
Otto Lidenbrock Mar 2020 OP
Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #1
riversedge Mar 2020 #9
unblock Mar 2020 #2
maxrandb Mar 2020 #12
Caliman73 Mar 2020 #14
unblock Mar 2020 #16
CatMor Mar 2020 #3
spanone Mar 2020 #4
in2herbs Mar 2020 #5
Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #11
in2herbs Mar 2020 #17
Hortensis Mar 2020 #6
budkin Mar 2020 #7
pansypoo53219 Mar 2020 #8
Takket Mar 2020 #10
Caliman73 Mar 2020 #15
leftstreet Mar 2020 #13

Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:05 PM

1. Just as Biden pulled out a strong win in SC

Coincidence?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 05:26 PM

9. Sen Ron Johnson had the letter ready to go. just put a date on it and sign it.

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:11 PM

2. fascinating how much airtime republicans get talking about the democratic primary

i don't remember democrats ever getting much of a say in republican primaries....

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Response to unblock (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 05:56 PM

12. Fascinating how much airtime Retrumplicans get PERIOD!

Even the most nonsensical crap that comes out of their filthy pieholes is treated by the media like something "serious".

Even the most ludicrous bullshit that is easily proven untrue with a 2 second Google search is broadcast as if there's an HDMI cable shoved up the media's ass and they spit it out like a cheap laser printer.

We don't have a media anymore, we have nothing but Retrumplican stenographers.

The media must report the most insane Retrumplican gibberish with the same "seriousness" of a multi-year, peer reviewed, footnoted research paper, because to do otherwise would be "evidence" of "bias".

Some of these media folks shouldn't even be responsible for reporting obituaries in some godforsaken Dumbfuckistan Murika shithole.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 06:05 PM

14. that is an ACTUAL FACT

People have studied how much time Democratic Leaders get on the air, especially on the Sunday shows, v. how much time Republicans do and found that Republicans get at least 30% more airtime.

When they are in the majority, it is argued that... They are in the majority so we have to hear what they have to say.

When they are in the minority, it is argued that a functioning democracy needs to hear from the minority party.

It is such a sick dynamic.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 06:25 PM

16. well said indeed!

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:18 PM

3. One thing republicans and trump are is predictable.

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:34 PM

4. Ignore the subpoenas.

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Response to spanone (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:12 PM

5. I agree. Ignore subpoenaes until the USSC has ruled. But in doing so I wouldn't be surprised to

see the Rs use their inherent power to compel witnesses -- you know the same power the House has but didn't use!

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Response to in2herbs (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 05:33 PM

11. What is inherent contempt and how can the Senate and/or House use it?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 06:34 PM

17. In response to your question:

The House, by its rules, has authorized its committees to issue subpoenas only for matters within their legislative jurisdiction. Congressional rules empower all its standing committees with the authority to compel witnesses to produce testimony and documents for subjects under its jurisdiction.

Inherent contempt: the procedure for holding a person in contempt involves only the chamber concerned. Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment, imprisonment for coercion, or release from the contempt citation.

IMO there are a lot of ways HRC can reject the subpoena. I hope she brings a court motion and demand that the Senate explain what they expect to learn from her testimony that they didn't learn during her 11 hours of previous testimony and during their 17 investigations in Benghazi.

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:15 PM

6. Note that Burisma, which has been completely blasted as lies

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and the international coverage of which actually trumpeted Biden's integrity to the world, is still apparently the most damaging thing Repub-Russia/LW populists have come up with against him.

Honor. Character. Trustworthiness. Electability.

Btw, I noticed that back in 2005, when Sanders was running for the senate, an attempt was made to swiftboat him in VT by casting him as a threat to national security. Mostly just a bunch of the kind of innuendo and misrepresentation of positions that is SOP for Sanders himself against Biden. It was largely based on those rare occasions when he deviated from his usual voting for whatever Democratic leaders wanted to take odd foreign policy positions.

But Sanders has been raising questions and leaving himself open that way ever since also. Like when Sanders supported Russia's proposal to dismantle NATO, even though Putin promises to invade and take over all former SovUnion nations, which were being forced to remilitarize even as Sanders called for destroying Europe's defense alliance. (!) No amount of press coverage would explain that away, quite the contrary; and coverage would inevitably tie it into the pattern of other occasions when Sanders opposed Democratic Party positions to the benefit of Russia.

And yesterday, Malcolm Nance promised that Russia itself would have found and be producing far better material to build giant Sanders scandals around than the Republicans had in 2005. NOOO doubt at all. Not just here at home, but on visits to Russia and Central American insurgencies and revolutionary governments Russian agents would have been all over him. Their and our character assassination machines don't actually have to be based on any facts at all, but they are highly desirable because they add such power to the scandals they design. I think we should expect that at least one of the scandals they have ready to tweak and launch would focus on Sanders as a threat to national security. No one can explain away the reality that since at least 2015 Sanders has been and is considered by Russia to be a valuable asset. It's just never been made into a national focus before.

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:19 PM

7. Since we know subpoenas carry no weight

He should just ignore it.

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 02:36 PM

8. can you say emails. remember Gore was gonna win.

i am hoping for bernie.

beware the MEdia. they are not for democracy. they like RATINGS.

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 05:32 PM

10. Subpoenas no longer have any meaning

And this is clearly a case that falls under executive privilege which the GOP has clearly said includes any present or past member holding any position in the executive branch and their families.

Hunter is untouchable.

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Response to Takket (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 06:11 PM

15. It isn't about arrests.

Republicans do not give a shit about any actual wrong doing. What they want is the appearance of scandal. Remember what Kevin McCarthy said about Hillary Clinton and Benghazi. It wasn't about "getting the truth" he said, and I am paraphrasing, that before the hearings, it appeared that Hillary was untouchable, but those hearings knocked her down several points.

Why do you think there was NOTHING about the Bidens when it looked like he was down and out. It isn't about justice it is about sowing seeds of doubt, or depressing the Democratic vote because of another "scandal laden Democrat"

I know everything is a bunch of lies and while I prefer other candidates to Biden, I will vote enthusiastically for him if he wins the Primary, but this is meant to hurt Biden's image, not to do any kind of justice.

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 06:00 PM

13. It's the Trump campaign's "lock her up" fallback

They need this kind of shit. Doesn't matter to them if it's true - they know it works

If Biden is the nominee - which I doubt - they'll run with it 24/7




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