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MJkcj

(242 posts)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:38 PM Sep 2012

my heart is breaking. my daughter is turning into a republican

I was raised by a feminist and am a proud liberal. I have a low tolerance for republicans who buy into the right wing hypocritical bullshit.

I have three beautiful intelligent daughters. One of them is living with a republican. I just saw her post something on facebook that made me realize I'm losing her.

my heart is breaking. anyone else go through this. how do you deal?

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my heart is breaking. my daughter is turning into a republican (Original Post) MJkcj Sep 2012 OP
Sad Thrill Sep 2012 #1
Heck I make jokes in the house to my daughters,,,I tell them benld74 Sep 2012 #2
So you find it funny to tell your Missycim Sep 2012 #166
Lighten up, Frances. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #171
I fear my son may also be... He was supporting Ron Paul. peacebird Sep 2012 #3
intervention and have her partner arrested for abuse Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #4
How much are you in contact with her these days? SheilaT Sep 2012 #5
FIGHT, MJkcj!!!! Skittles Sep 2012 #6
I've never done well separating ideological affairs from personal relations. David__77 Sep 2012 #7
Photoshop him making love to a barn animal and slide it under their door. Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #8
it will be ok handmade34 Sep 2012 #9
... gateley Sep 2012 #10
Don't give up hope. She may return to her upbringing. Aristus Sep 2012 #11
It's easy to lose hope...your response reminds us of the wisdom of patience duhneece Sep 2012 #134
Would be very difficult, MJkcj; elleng Sep 2012 #12
my sister did the repub thing with her hubby. after they divorced she came to her senses. eom ellenfl Sep 2012 #13
My sister married a republican--millionaire twenty yrs ago. She still hasn't come to her senses. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2012 #149
By talking to her and reminding her of what you taught her. MrSlayer Sep 2012 #14
Don't worry, maybe its a phase firehorse Sep 2012 #15
Don't push the issue... Number_9 Sep 2012 #16
OMG, I'm so sorry - what a nightmare! I'd be crushed, too. Zorra Sep 2012 #17
I told my kids the same thing duhneece Sep 2012 #135
Let her go librarylu Sep 2012 #18
thank you DU MJkcj Sep 2012 #19
Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #20
Good advise pintobean Sep 2012 #23
Tell her this Shankapotomus Sep 2012 #21
+ + + + + + + + + + FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #26
Molly Ivins book, "Bushwhacked" really helped me see that administration for what it was. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #22
Good idea... approaching the situation with humor ('cause Molly could make me guffaw even when I gkhouston Sep 2012 #57
My niece is that way CountAllVotes Sep 2012 #24
I agree with those who say let her be her own person. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #25
Whoa TuxedoKat Sep 2012 #123
The less you demand of her, in this case, the better Shankapotomus Sep 2012 #27
Could be temporary. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #28
"Living with a Republican" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #29
Please - the last thing I want is for them to marry MJkcj Sep 2012 #43
LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #92
She wants the top rate of tax to be 3.6% below where you want it to be? Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #30
So I guess she believes a woman who is raped should be forced to carry to term still_one Sep 2012 #31
wow -this is harsh MJkcj Sep 2012 #41
Is your daughter still in touch with reality? Because the deficit and debt coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #65
Ummmm why are you being an ass? MJkcj Sep 2012 #70
I was in a hurry rushing out the door when I posted and did not elaborate. What coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #115
What I am saying is maybe she is NOT aware of the position of romney and ryan. I do not understand still_one Sep 2012 #72
I did not think you were being harsh laundry_queen Sep 2012 #124
I really wasn't trying to be. Perhaps I was misunderstood /nt still_one Sep 2012 #126
They always come back to the values they were raised with.. AzSweet Sep 2012 #32
Really? a la izquierda Sep 2012 #81
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't ... markpkessinger Sep 2012 #165
We rarely see one of our daughters and her ultra Christian neocon husband. It keeps peace in the appleannie1 Sep 2012 #33
"He isn't even from this country yet knows all about what our forefather's wishes were." NCTraveler Sep 2012 #153
yeah wow im not sure what this post means loli phabay Sep 2012 #159
It means he knows this is a Christian country and that is what our forefathers wanted and fought to appleannie1 Sep 2012 #170
i am not from this country but have read the constitution and federalist papers La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2012 #169
I post replies to all republican lies I see on FaceBook, as a way to educate my adult sons! DrewFlorida Sep 2012 #34
Yes, I have a son who's starting a new business and has been feeling the ReThugs Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #35
You could try showing him this.... ann--- Sep 2012 #39
I always feel so sad for small business people that vote for the people that screws them over. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #51
My parents own a small manufacturing business. RedSpartan Sep 2012 #80
By cousin voted for Obama in 2008, The army turned him into a Birther nut. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #36
He really thinks he'll get a better deal from a guy who didn't even mention Afghanistan? gkhouston Sep 2012 #45
If she should bring up the subject of Romney, I would politely ask her why he... Tikki Sep 2012 #37
I know how you feel ann--- Sep 2012 #38
Be cool, don't freak out Kath1 Sep 2012 #40
my sister's boyfriend is turning her into one too quinnox Sep 2012 #42
My sister has also lost her mind apparently. nt Deep13 Sep 2012 #44
Hope she breaks up with the asshole Warpy Sep 2012 #46
I can only hope MJkcj Sep 2012 #47
Just hope for the best! Kath1 Sep 2012 #61
Does she still have the basic morals and ethics that are important to you? kiva Sep 2012 #48
I'm sorry. Before I read your post, I KNEW that there was a republican male involved. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #49
Men do it, too. GoCubsGo Sep 2012 #56
Sounds just like my bf's mom Lilyeye Sep 2012 #69
As a child of nutjob Republicans who judge/treat me rudely me for being liberal RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #50
unconditional love. tell her you do not want to hear the garbage and all is fine. seabeyond Sep 2012 #52
I feel for you! RazBerryBeret Sep 2012 #53
Very insightful! Kath1 Sep 2012 #63
I credit my wife for being largely responsible for turning me liberal Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #54
Welcome to DU, Victor...you sound like a good guy who learns all the right lessons... PassingFair Sep 2012 #66
Welcome, Victor sibelian Sep 2012 #75
I know what you feel! imanamerican63 Sep 2012 #55
I have the opposite problem, my parents are die hard conservatives. Jennicut Sep 2012 #58
I guess we all have family/friends/people we care about who are misguided MJkcj Sep 2012 #59
Be Patient.... you raised her to make her own desicions and she is testing the waters is all... Yooperman Sep 2012 #60
give her.... spanone Sep 2012 #62
But, how long will Cha Sep 2012 #64
Ask her: ErikJ Sep 2012 #67
Does she want Medicare and Social Security for you? Or will she support you? SharonAnn Sep 2012 #96
This is exactly what I tried to get across to my son and daughter in law without success. :( Grammy23 Sep 2012 #125
I'm already having to support my mother because she got screwed out of her Postal pension. Sirveri Sep 2012 #139
Although it pains me to say it - footinmouth Sep 2012 #68
I was raised by a Democratic mom and a Republican dad. GallopingGhost Sep 2012 #71
Can we organize an intervention? mykpart Sep 2012 #73
Possibly a false alarm MJkcj Sep 2012 #90
It''s always like this. Love interests always change beliefs johnlucas Sep 2012 #74
I married a republican cali Sep 2012 #77
Ah but did he change his views after he married you? johnlucas Sep 2012 #79
no. and we got divorced- though political considerations were not part of the equation cali Sep 2012 #88
That is sad, I definitively think it is possible he could be influencing her davidpdx Sep 2012 #76
Well 2 out of 3 is not so bad nopedontlikeitatall Sep 2012 #78
That's certainly an, um, interesting perspective. cordelia Sep 2012 #86
Mom to mom Marrah_G Sep 2012 #82
Right on, Marrah_G. Kath1 Sep 2012 #84
I find these comments amusing. a la izquierda Sep 2012 #83
She'll be back malaise Sep 2012 #85
my 28-year-old son is determinedly apathetic barbtries Sep 2012 #87
climate change may be worth another try marions ghost Sep 2012 #141
i'll keep it up. barbtries Sep 2012 #143
atta girl Mom marions ghost Sep 2012 #144
Truly sad Carolina Sep 2012 #89
Sometimes men do change... MJkcj Sep 2012 #93
Men do change too....it depends on who's the stronger personality in the relationship ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #95
Your post reminds me of when my son met the woman he eventually married. jerseygal Sep 2012 #91
Great story MJkcj Sep 2012 #94
That's exactly what my reaction would have been! lunatica Sep 2012 #104
lol! We think alike! Zorra Sep 2012 #106
How unfortunate for you. In my family, blood has always been thicker than politics. slackmaster Sep 2012 #97
gee thanks... MJkcj Sep 2012 #111
If you had posted that you were concerned because your daughter was living with a pedophile, slackmaster Sep 2012 #140
my thoughts exactly, i dont know or care what party people around me are and i wouldnt lose a friend loli phabay Sep 2012 #160
This message was self-deleted by its author Mutiny In Heaven Sep 2012 #164
I feel for you PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #98
What I get from this thread is that too many DUers take politics way, way too seriously. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #99
The last few months during a pivotal election year isn't an easy time to leave politics lunatica Sep 2012 #102
I thought DU WAS a place to talk politics????!!! MJkcj Sep 2012 #108
Do you know about the "Ignore" feature? Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #110
awesome. Thank you. MJkcj Sep 2012 #113
Just ignore them.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #158
I'm a pretty hard core dem and I've even walked away from a few friendships over politics TNLib Sep 2012 #128
Oh, we're sorry. We thought that having a conversation with our friends and family about the PEOPLE LaydeeBug Sep 2012 #136
Fundamental belief systems are not trivial. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #167
She's pobably trying to fit into his worldview because she loves him lunatica Sep 2012 #100
thank you MJkcj Sep 2012 #109
i would be honest with her... MrsBrady Sep 2012 #101
Love and Tolerance rbrnmw Sep 2012 #103
The party of grift and pervs. Ackety. Ignore it, hopefully she will learn when she is burned. lonestarnot Sep 2012 #105
Happens All The Time w/ Women otohara Sep 2012 #107
Wow, sorry for your loss DemKittyNC Sep 2012 #112
Keep in touch with her nmbluesky Sep 2012 #114
Do what my dad did JustAnotherGen Sep 2012 #116
We have to educate our children about politics B Calm Sep 2012 #117
My Republican mom taught me to think critically, and to do my own thinking slackmaster Sep 2012 #122
Is she becoming subservient to her husband as far as politics go? Lint Head Sep 2012 #118
My mother certainly did... lexx21 Sep 2012 #131
Remember this line when you say Republicans lack tolerance ryan_cats Sep 2012 #119
I know exactly how you feel marlakay Sep 2012 #120
You put politics and big picture is seperate rooms. Zax2me Sep 2012 #121
what did she write that has you so upset? LaydeeBug Sep 2012 #127
As someone from your daughter's generation SWTORFanatic Sep 2012 #129
keep in mind that most people ctaylors6 Sep 2012 #130
Take her name off the inheritance B Calm Sep 2012 #132
Perfect way to keep the family intact. deaniac21 Sep 2012 #133
Revisit your priorities. Family is more important. My neighbor is Republican. Awesome guy. Egalitariat Sep 2012 #137
+1. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #138
i live in a rural red area and my neighbours are all repubs and all good people loli phabay Sep 2012 #161
My two cents: there are lot more heart breaking things that your daughter could do or have happen onenote Sep 2012 #142
Yes but these days marions ghost Sep 2012 #145
Maybe so, maybe not. onenote Sep 2012 #146
I guess this is where we disagree marions ghost Sep 2012 #155
I leave family and politics separate Xyzse Sep 2012 #147
When women marry, they generally adopt the husband's voting habits. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #148
So what? Alduin Sep 2012 #150
I hate to say this.. atreides1 Sep 2012 #151
Sounds like she might be a victim of propaganda. nt ladjf Sep 2012 #152
WTF? kctim Sep 2012 #154
Sad to say this but it's ultimatum time Great Caesars Ghost Sep 2012 #156
really i take it you have no kids or at least i hope not especially if they dont do what you tell loli phabay Sep 2012 #162
You sound like a fundie cpwm17 Sep 2012 #163
Since she's living with a guy I assume she's an adult? LeftyMom Sep 2012 #157
Love her anyway. NEVER put political beliefs above family. N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #168

benld74

(9,901 posts)
2. Heck I make jokes in the house to my daughters,,,I tell them
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:43 PM
Sep 2012

Marry a rich republican, don't do what mom did.

THen take him to the proverbial cleaners!!!!

I figure, holidays will be V-E-R-Y intersting to say the least,,,

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
4. intervention and have her partner arrested for abuse
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:43 PM
Sep 2012

other than that, I got nothing




Sit down with her and have her tell you all the facts that have caused her to change
and then go on-line together to check the facts

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
5. How much are you in contact with her these days?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:43 PM
Sep 2012

I know that it is terribly common for women to alter their views and thinking to be more in line with the men in their lives (which makes me wonder what it's like for same-sex couples, but that's a different conversation).

Is she open to reason? Can you get her to understand that she really is not part of the 1% -- at least I'm guessing that she's not. Can you show her that the current Republican thinking is absolutely opposed to her human-ness?

I feel for you, even though my two adult sons have stayed true to the liberal/progressive/Democrats that their parents are.

Skittles

(153,122 posts)
6. FIGHT, MJkcj!!!!
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:43 PM
Sep 2012

she's hearing too much from one side - straighten her out!!!!!!! ARM HER WITH THE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David__77

(23,335 posts)
7. I've never done well separating ideological affairs from personal relations.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:43 PM
Sep 2012

And I'm not sure I want to. That my father is right-wing separates me from him, all other things aside.

If your daughter is affected on one or two points, the issue may not be serious. If she was never especially committed to a well-formed worldview, then perhaps she's trending in a bad direction. Being a conscious right-winger is not consistent with being a humanist. I wouldn't jump the gun though. If you've talked politics before, do so again and see.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
8. Photoshop him making love to a barn animal and slide it under their door.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:43 PM
Sep 2012

That usually does the trick

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
9. it will be ok
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:45 PM
Sep 2012

I too have a daughter who tends to date Republicans and is often taken in... I just keep talking to her and I know she hears... keep the lines of communication open with your daughter; you will not lose her forever

gateley

(62,683 posts)
10. ...
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:45 PM
Sep 2012


I've lost a few friends who were influenced by the man in their lives, and I'm a little concerned about my niece. I don't know what you can do to change their minds except don't discuss politics. And maybe not read their Facebook page? It's so painful to see someone you love become something you hate.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
11. Don't give up hope. She may return to her upbringing.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:45 PM
Sep 2012

I was raised by unreconstructed, old-school Kennedy liberals. (My mother even marched in JFK's inaugural parade). I turned hard right during the Reagan years; I was a huge fan of RR, mainly because I didn't know a thing about politics. My first Presidential election in 1988, I voted for Bush Sr. My mother was furious. I didn't care.

In '92 I voted for Bush again.

After the horror of the '94 mid-terms, I began to re-examine my political leanings, & juxtaposing them with my actual ideological beliefs. I've always been a liberal at heart.

In '96, I voted proudly for Bill Clinton, and I've never cast a vote for a Repub since.

And my motto, as most long-time DU-ers know, is: "Liberal till I DIE, motherfuckers!"

I hope your daughter will return to the fold, as much for her own sake, as for yours...

elleng

(130,769 posts)
12. Would be very difficult, MJkcj;
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:45 PM
Sep 2012

can't imagine it. Hard as it may be, I suggest 'ignore' vis a vis her now. She's 'living with a republican,' but she grew up with you and your liberal family.

I suspect it will pass as will her relationship w the repug, and she'll appreciate that you didn't/don't make a fuss about it.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,129 posts)
149. My sister married a republican--millionaire twenty yrs ago. She still hasn't come to her senses.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:36 PM
Sep 2012

Money is too good, I guess.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
14. By talking to her and reminding her of what you taught her.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:46 PM
Sep 2012

Tell her of your concern without being accusatory. Being up a scenerio with a clear moral choice and apply it to political positions.

firehorse

(755 posts)
15. Don't worry, maybe its a phase
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:46 PM
Sep 2012

I dated some when I was in my 20's. By listening to their garbage it helped me realize how much of a liberal I am.

 

Number_9

(32 posts)
16. Don't push the issue...
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:49 PM
Sep 2012

She'll do what she likes and if you push it you'll just be that naggy hippy liberal mom and she'll distance.

Short of full on "Obama must die and I'm off to the KKK militia" I wouldn't worry about it...

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
17. OMG, I'm so sorry - what a nightmare! I'd be crushed, too.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:55 PM
Sep 2012

I actually told my boys that if they ever became republicans it would totally break my heart, and I would consider myself a failure as a parent.

Anyway, look at the bright side - the guy is a republican, so he must be a total schmuck. Hopefully they'll break up soon, the spell will be broken, and she'll come back to sanity.

librarylu

(503 posts)
18. Let her go
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:56 PM
Sep 2012

She'll be back. When I was young and in love and breaking away from Mom I voted for Richard Nixon.

MJkcj

(242 posts)
19. thank you DU
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:57 PM
Sep 2012

I love to read the posts on DU - I seldom post myself (too lazy) but I always enjoy to read the discussions. The few times I've actually posted myself its because I've needed to reach out to people who understand. Thank you for your compassion DU. you are a great community!

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
20. Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:01 PM
Sep 2012

She is an adult. Don't bother trying to change her opinions. Just make sure she knows who you support, and why, and then show that you are a good person. Lead by example. And what happens, happens.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
23. Good advise
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:11 PM
Sep 2012

I couldn't "lose" a daughter over differing political views. Love comes first - always and forever.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
21. Tell her this
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:08 PM
Sep 2012

All I ask of you is that you don't hurt yourself or anyone else in life.

If she chooses to honor that request then that should innoculate her from all things Republican.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
26. + + + + + + + + + +
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:20 PM
Sep 2012

Absolutely. My kids, if asked, all say that the most important thing to me is that they always be kind, true to themselves and defend those who require defense.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
22. Molly Ivins book, "Bushwhacked" really helped me see that administration for what it was.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:08 PM
Sep 2012

Her book showed me that a President who is out of touch with the people results in things like refusing to sign the "Energy Assistance" extension in January or February when it can do some good instead of in April when the critical moment is all over and people have frozen to death in their homes.

She also had a story about how Clinton had crafted a bill to deal with the Listeria bacteria which basically is like "mad cow" disease for humans. How simple changes in poultry production lines like putting up a plexiglas shield between the production line and the area where workers hose down the floor of guts removed from chickens. This prevents fecal matter from being sprayed up onto the final product and removes an easily preventable source of contamination that can kill - especially the very old and the very young.

So what did Bush do? Scuttle the bill so his friends in the poultry business wouldn't be inconvenienced by silly regulations AND the result? Children and the elderly eat contaminated lunch meat and die horrible, painful deaths, with their brains basically MELTING and their family or doctors being unable to do anything about it.

THEN the discussion is, HOW will electing another out of touch rich man and going back to the policies created by politicians more concerned with paying back their money sources than serving their country help us at this difficult time?

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
57. Good idea... approaching the situation with humor ('cause Molly could make me guffaw even when I
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:05 AM
Sep 2012

was outraged by the idiocy being described) and from the distance of a past administration could be just the ticket.

CountAllVotes

(20,867 posts)
24. My niece is that way
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:16 PM
Sep 2012

Makes me sick. I cannot support her for one second as I don't believe this way. Enough already a longgggg time ago!

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
25. I agree with those who say let her be her own person.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:18 PM
Sep 2012

By all means, talk as plainly and as determinedly about your position as you ever have. Make sure you let her know that you love her unconditionally. I assure you, your lessons to her will never be far from her. The quickest and simplest way cause a deep rift is to alienate her and allow the only voice of support to be that of the RW BF. Your love will remain when the voice and possible affection, of the currently beloved BF is no longer so powerful.

Good luck to you. Parenting adult children is hard. I have been telling people that 2, 3, 13 and 16 had NOTHING on 19.

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
123. Whoa
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:30 PM
Sep 2012

you're scaring me. My oldest is 15, thought the turbulent years were pretty much over, but then I see what my sister is going through with my niece who is an adult, and I hope I never have to go through what she is going through with her daughter.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
27. The less you demand of her, in this case, the better
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:21 PM
Sep 2012

If you go full blown assault on her you'll just push her further to the right or worse.
Keep your parental guidence in this case as basic and loving as possible. A simple, consistent and all encompassing message is best.

Try reminding her as a gentle refrain:

All I ask of you is that you don't hurt yourself or anyone else in life.

If she chooses to honor that request and apply it at deeper and deeper levels throughout her life, then that should innoculate her from all things Republican.

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
28. Could be temporary.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:22 PM
Sep 2012

My sister was seriously considering a conversion from Judaism to Cathocism solely to prime herself to getting engaged to a guy she wanted to propose to her.

They eventually broke up and she never went through with the conversion.

As of note, she broke the priest who was giving her instruction. A year after she finished studying with him, he converted to Episcopalian.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
29. "Living with a Republican"
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:24 PM
Sep 2012

Why aren't they married?

Once the Republicans get done with teh gays, baby killers, socialists and atheists, they'll need to find other groups to browbeat with their moral purity tests. Food for thought for her.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
30. She wants the top rate of tax to be 3.6% below where you want it to be?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:24 PM
Sep 2012

She's not comfortable with the Individual Mandate for health insurance?

Her views on gay marriage are the the same as what Obama's views were a few weeks ago prior to him evolving on the issue?

I think love should conquer pretty much most of these differences of opinion. If it bothers you that much, just don't talk about politics.

MJkcj

(242 posts)
41. wow -this is harsh
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:54 PM
Sep 2012

I already said I am a feminist. Rape and abortion and choice and equal rights are all subjects that I am passionate about. I come here and bare my soul over something that hurts me and Its like you are trying to rub salt in my wound.

I don't know where she stands on abortion. I would assume she would not have turned into such a hardliner already. The post on facebook was about Obama and democratic being fiscally irresponsible and raising the debt ceiling. It was bullshit but I know her boyfriend believes in that.

She is my daughter, I love her. I am sad that she is making bad choices living with a man I cannot respect.

MJkcj

(242 posts)
70. Ummmm why are you being an ass?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:30 AM
Sep 2012

Everyone else has written great advice about letting it go, how she will most likely come to her senses, how they've had similar experiences with a loved one... lots of empathy and good humor.... but your posts have a nasty edge to them. Are you always this hostile?

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
115. I was in a hurry rushing out the door when I posted and did not elaborate. What
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:37 AM
Sep 2012

I meant was that when Clinton left office the economy had an annual budget surplus. By the time Bush left office in 2009 the surplus was long gone and annual deficits had skyrocketed. For your daughter to buy the line that Obama's deficit spending is a problem shows very little understanding of the facts of very recent history.

No hostility intended in my brevity.

I hope you can bring your daughter to her senses through gentle suasion.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
72. What I am saying is maybe she is NOT aware of the position of romney and ryan. I do not understand
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:16 AM
Sep 2012

why you say I am being harsh

I am simply stating the position of the republican candidate for President.

I NEVER said not to love your daughter, I simply stated a simple fact, which will be a reality if they are elected

I have a daughter, and we don't always see eye to eye, but we are very honest with each other, and even if we disagree the love is always there.

I had the impression you were upset that she would be voting republican, not that she was seeing a person who is a republican.

I do find it interesting that you do not know your daughter's position on abortion. That is sad, because that means you and your daughter are not communicating

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
124. I did not think you were being harsh
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:40 PM
Sep 2012

those are some of the first questions I'd ask my daughters if they told me they had gone far right.

AzSweet

(102 posts)
32. They always come back to the values they were raised with..
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:38 PM
Sep 2012

Yes, they may stray..but that little Mom voice is there in the background...Mine is dating a republican too....keep the faith! : )

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
81. Really?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 07:57 AM
Sep 2012

Let's hope not. My family is very conservative. my husband's too. I'm sure they think I've brainwashed him.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
165. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't ...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:31 PM
Sep 2012

... You really cannot make such a sweeping statement. I have one sister who went off the deep-end into extreme, right-wing conservatism along with her husband of 41 years. She is now 61, and the older she gets, frankly, the worse she gets.

appleannie1

(5,062 posts)
33. We rarely see one of our daughters and her ultra Christian neocon husband. It keeps peace in the
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:41 PM
Sep 2012

family. He isn't even from this country yet knows all about what our forefather's wishes were. You just have to figure out a way to work with it and not let it totally tear the family apart.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
153. "He isn't even from this country yet knows all about what our forefather's wishes were."
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:57 PM
Sep 2012

Wow....Just wow.

appleannie1

(5,062 posts)
170. It means he knows this is a Christian country and that is what our forefathers wanted and fought to
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:31 PM
Sep 2012

give us. According to him the proof of that is that they put "In God We Trust" on our money. He refuses to believe when we tell him that our forefathers founded this country to get away from countries that were ruled by religions and that was not put on our money until the 1950's. In other words, he knows more about this country than I do even though I am descended from people that fought in the Revolution. He also thinks that Bill O Liely is the smartest man in the US and Sarah Palin the smartest woman.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
169. i am not from this country but have read the constitution and federalist papers
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
Sep 2012

which is what one really needs to know to "know" your forefathers wishes.

that and some history about race, imperialism, colonialism and other such less pleasant things.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
34. I post replies to all republican lies I see on FaceBook, as a way to educate my adult sons!
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:42 PM
Sep 2012

By refuting all of the right-wing misinformation, my two adult sons have an opportunity to see the flip side of the important issues and therefore those lies left unanswered don't become known as facts. My sons read everything I post although they are not always pleased that I post so much politics on FaceBook, I consider it collateral damage, I would rather have them annoyed with me than ignorant of the facts of life!

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
35. Yes, I have a son who's starting a new business and has been feeling the ReThugs
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:43 PM
Sep 2012

can be better for his business. He announced 2 weeks ago he'll be voting ReThug. However after the Dem convention...I think he's reconsidered. I do hope and pray he'll vote Democratic. He's always been a Dem but his help are all those stupid to white men and he gets to listen to a fair share of Obama bashing. I can't believe they vote against their own interests. He watches Matthews and he's helped to prevent him from really going off the deep end. I'm going to throw him all the life lines I can muster. What I really need is some talking points on how Obama will be good for really small business. Sorry can't type now...watching the end of Saving Private Ryan.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
51. I always feel so sad for small business people that vote for the people that screws them over.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:28 PM
Sep 2012

Just in case, remind him that the President has CUT taxes for small business EIGHTEEN TIMES since taking office. Also has expanded the SBA, created more loans for small businesses, included tax incentives for hiring employees. The Stock Market has doubled under the President's tenure, which means that your son's customers will have more to spend. Frankly, consumer confidence is soaring again, as is consumer spending (new numbers just came out so you can google them.) Anyone with a business in America, would be stupid to vote for a republican.. unless your son is a billionaire, chances are his customers are going to be other small businesses and/or average Americans whose taxes will rise around 2k under Romney's plan. The tax cuts Romney/Ryan are pushing, will not benefit him in the least. In fact, when the R/R ticket extracts their payment for the huge billionaire tax cuts (they get 250k each) it will come from home mortgage deduction, student loan deduction, etc. And once again. as under Bush, the SPENDERS in America will be hosed. The Koch Brothers are not going to be buying from your Son's business...

RedSpartan

(1,693 posts)
80. My parents own a small manufacturing business.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 07:56 AM
Sep 2012

One whose business is connected in large part to the auto industry. At one point, they stopped paying themselves so they could keep paying their employees, but eventually even that was too much and they had to let a couple guys go. In the last few years, though, they have seen their healthcare costs stabilize and seen business pick up to the point where they may have to hire more help. They thought Bush was an embarrassment and honestly can't fathom how anyone would vote for Romney over Obama.

On the other hand, a couple acquaintances of mine have recently married very rich young men - - like, private jet having, never worked a day in their lives and will never have to rich. Every Facebook post is either pictures of them flying off to their latest "vacation" or anti-Obama vitriol. They weren't this way beforehand; their own families tell me they are "brainwashed" now by money. Sad.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
36. By cousin voted for Obama in 2008, The army turned him into a Birther nut.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:44 PM
Sep 2012

His "comrades" have convinced him that Obama is going to cut his veteran's benefits.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
45. He really thinks he'll get a better deal from a guy who didn't even mention Afghanistan?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:00 PM
Sep 2012

If Romney/Ryan don't give a shit about the people actively serving in dangerous areas, what makes him think they'll do anything for vets?

Tikki

(14,549 posts)
37. If she should bring up the subject of Romney, I would politely ask her why he...
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:44 PM
Sep 2012

feels he can go against TRADITION and not share his Tax Returns. And is she alright with that
precedence being set for future candidates and so; why?


Tikki

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
38. I know how you feel
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:48 PM
Sep 2012

One of my sons who was a staunch "no party affiliation" kind of guy is buying into his wife's politics. Very sad. I love him so much but refuse to talk about the election - or any political issue - with him and his wife.

I'm not registered to any party but I have never, ever voted for a Republican in a presidential or Congressional race and I NEVER WILL.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
40. Be cool, don't freak out
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:52 PM
Sep 2012

A lot of young (I'm assuming she is young) women are politically influenced by the men in their lives, for better or worse. I know because I was one of them! I was married to a Republican. Just be loving and supportive. State your views, state the facts, and leave it at that. My 25 year-old daughter is a very loud and proud liberal today but went through a bit of a right wing phase when she was about 18 or 19. She is currently an Obama volunteer. Don't let it worry you too much. She'll figure it out. Peace.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
42. my sister's boyfriend is turning her into one too
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:57 PM
Sep 2012

She was a liberal democrat but he is a conservative republican and has influenced her so much that she now posts republican talking points on facebook and so on. So I'm familiar with the situation, it is just something you have to deal with, and I don't let politics get in the way of family relationships.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
61. Just hope for the best!
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:44 AM
Sep 2012

My conversion from go-along Republican wife to 100% progressive Democrat started with the Iraq war, which I totally hated. Went to the March For Women's Lives at the time, which really inspired me to go ahead and get divorced... be myself. Just hope she never marries this guy. Divorce is messy and expensive!

kiva

(4,373 posts)
48. Does she still have the basic morals and ethics that are important to you?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:16 PM
Sep 2012

I have a few Repub family members, and (unlike many family that get discussed here) they are very loving people and we have a great relationship, but we never talk about politics...of course, they aren't tea-party nuts either.

Worry about her actions more than what she posts on Facebook - she may talk the party line, but if she's still the daughter you raised in the way she acts, find new common ground.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
49. I'm sorry. Before I read your post, I KNEW that there was a republican male involved.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:23 PM
Sep 2012

My ex husband's mother was a lifelong democrat, from a long line of them, until she married a Fox News lovin' racist. Now she's as bad as he is. It's so disheartening to see women who do this.. as if they can't think for themselves.

Hopefully once she sees the republican for who is he truly is, she will snap out of it. The only advice would be to talk to her, when he is not around, and ask her if she's given up on her principles that she had before she met him... and if she thinks that's a good idea. In my family, we've had women who married republican men.. well, let's just say they WERE republicans until they saw the light.

I've noticed that my stepdaughter, that I helped raise, is now married to a military guy. He was always liberal in high school and growing up, and is still somewhat liberal, but I see the influence of the guys he hangs around with now. Sad.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
56. Men do it, too.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:01 AM
Sep 2012

My brother was a Democrat. Then, he hooked up a republican. Now, he's a FoxNews-swilling, right-wing talking points-spewing moron. And, it rubbed off on his punk-ass son. They'e a couple of know-it-all know-nothings. Quite sad. I used to think they were both smart guys, too. I thought wrong.

Lilyeye

(1,417 posts)
69. Sounds just like my bf's mom
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:29 AM
Sep 2012

She was a liberal dem and raised her son to be one until she married her new husband 5 years ago. The woman that we admired is a full blown tea bagger now that she is married to a bigot conservative republican. She gets angry if me and my bf say anything bad about republicans. My bf is very upset that his mom turned her back on the values and morals that she raised him with. I don't understand how a woman can get to 50 years old and then change her views like that. I guess it was some serious brainwashing that took place. Not to mention she constantly listens to that right wing talk radio trash. It kinda angers me a little to see what she allowed that man to do to her.

I knew another woman who was raised a democrat and then turned into a republican during her marriage. However, she changed back and finally realized she can have her own views apart from her husband.

 
50. As a child of nutjob Republicans who judge/treat me rudely me for being liberal
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:25 PM
Sep 2012

and blame it all on my husband (who was a rabid teenage republican also turned liberal)

I can relate to your daughter actually.

First of all, don't start judging your daughter on a few statements. Give her some credit. You raised her didn't you.

Give her some space and respect her intelligence.

Perhaps she is in the process of converting (or making more reasonable) a Republican. He must see something in your daughter after all.

So she can see some points on the Republican side. The debt ceiling is ridiculous. Government spending is out of control because of Bush's tax cuts during 2 wars and two new Big Government programs. WE can all admit it. It's not Obama's fault, perhaps that's where she is confused but did she say that? Many Republicans are just as disillusioned with Bush and Romney, that is why they focus their hate on Obama.

And hell, the Republican party has always been this crazy. There might have been a happy balance in this country if they hadn't gotten all power hungry, greedy and sadistic. Maybe they can return to sanity, with the help of people like your daughter.


 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
52. unconditional love. tell her you do not want to hear the garbage and all is fine.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:34 PM
Sep 2012

unfortunately, what i find myself doing with stupid, is when they then use govt aide, or school loan, or any of the many programs that they tend to use, i have to throw a jab about the hypocrisy.

then again, there is the issue of a woman voting for repug, when a repug is willing to inflict pain on a girl for making a legal choice of abortion, for no other reason but humiliation and shame. how does a person get past a woman willing to do that to another woman.

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
53. I feel for you!
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:41 PM
Sep 2012

I canvassed for Move On in Ohio in 04. Our get out the vote effort focused on people who had voted dem in the past who'd recently changed to rep. the vast majority on my list were young women. most of the time the men came to the door as well. the women were then tight lipped and admitted they were voting for Bush, as their men looked on.

I'm not sure why this happens, women don't feel they can keep their individual preferences? I was just hoping that when they got into that booth to push the button or pull the levers, when no one was looking, they would vote their hearts. But I'm optimistic like that.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
63. Very insightful!
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:50 AM
Sep 2012

When I was married I nodded my head and smiled at my ex's Republican BS but when I got in the booth I couldn't help but vote Democrat all the way.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
54. I credit my wife for being largely responsible for turning me liberal
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:55 PM
Sep 2012

My parents and family were all republicans. I grew up loving Regean and even voted for G. W. in 2000. I think it was a combination of the war shaking my foundations and my feminist wife that knocked some sense into me.

You don't have to stuff too many body bags to figure out that war and republican policies suck. Then, when there is a whole in your belief structure liberal ideas make a lot of sense and easily fill the void. It just feels better going around loving people instead of hating and shooting them. Instead of turning me into a cold killer like Rambo, combat made me more of a loving and caring person. The only problem is that my PTSD kind of makes it hard for me express or feel positive emotions. Go figure.

I don't know if it's the mind altering drugs the VA is giving me, but I probably could be called a socialist by many of the liberals I work with. I've gone that far left on some of my beliefs.

Did that help you? Probably not. I wouldn't advocate sending your daughter to a war to change hel political views.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
66. Welcome to DU, Victor...you sound like a good guy who learns all the right lessons...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:00 AM
Sep 2012

from life as you go along....

also you are lucky in love!

imanamerican63

(13,750 posts)
55. I know what you feel!
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:56 PM
Sep 2012

I am from a large family all the way back to my parents' family! Most of them are lost, LOL! I have one sister who was just a couple of months ago, was on the good side! But her new boyfriends has filled her mind with GOP garb!

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
58. I have the opposite problem, my parents are die hard conservatives.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:11 AM
Sep 2012

It happens. Everyone has to make up their own minds. Some people never get involved at all in politics. You can have as many debates and question her a million times but she may not change her mind. My parents keep telling me I will grow up and outgrow being a liberal Democrat. I will be 37 in December. I am already very, very grown up with a house, a husband and two children! You just have to realize you may agree to disagree but still love that person. I still love my parents immensely. They are not bad people, just misguided.

MJkcj

(242 posts)
59. I guess we all have family/friends/people we care about who are misguided
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:43 AM
Sep 2012

My sister has ALWAYS been conservative. I usually attribute it to her not being smart enough to realize that she is not part of the 1% and these policies she thinks she supports are directly hurting her. whatever. we don't see each other very much and we've always been very different.

My husband works and plays golf with a bunch of white republications. Nice guys most them. But they believe that Republicans are better for business. They tend to be libertarian ... they want to the gov regulations out of their business so that they can make money for their families. I reminded my husband that his mother who has been mentally ill most of her adult life lives on programs that the republications would cut. I could see the light bulb go on.

My youngest daughter is a full blow liberal. she admits to being a bit of a socialist. My mother would be so proud! super smart. ready to engage anyone in a debate over obamacare and pretty much anything re politics, religion and current events. My middle one has never been interested in politics but the youngest is influencing her

But seeing my oldest daughter change due to the influence of her boyfriend is just killing me. She is a good person with solid values. She is loving, unselfish, fair. She loves to travel the world and is so open to new people and different cultures. Many of her best friends are gay. She is color blind when it comes to race. She is just insecure enough to fall under the spell of a man who tells her how to think. It just kills me. I failed as a parent. I should have instilled more self confidence. She is young (21) so there is hope that she will out grow this nimwit

Yooperman

(592 posts)
60. Be Patient.... you raised her to make her own desicions and she is testing the waters is all...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:44 AM
Sep 2012

I have two Daughters as well... My wife and I raised them to be tolerant and accepting of all peoples regardless of who they were or how they were raised. We were a non-religious Family but raised very morally correct young ladies. With that... lol...one day my oldest Daughter who was maybe a senior or just out of high school at the time, blurted out to me from the back seat of our car...."Dad, you know that I am a Christian!" I looked in the rear view mirror and responded ... "Good for you! You have to make your own choices in life and religion is one." I know she really didn't expect me to respond this way...although she should have. I am always one to invite any missionary or Jehovah's Witnesses in to have a chat when they knock on my door. They generally just leave not sure exactly how to feel as I ask them questions that they have difficulty answering. As for my Daughter.... You see, she had been dating a Southern Baptist. She started attending church with him and his Family and was taken in on the friendly atmosphere that most churches have, especially a potential new member. Well, of course I hoped that she didn't get too wrapped up with them...but I had to trust that my wife and I did our job and she would come to see how prejudiced some religious organizations can be, especially Southern Baptists. I was being truthful to her with that I would respect her choices...as parents we are to raise our children to make their own choices and live their own life...not one that I planned out for them. As they experience "the other point of view"....they will think back on how they were raised and hopefully be able to see the contrasts of the different ways of thought. In the end... my Daughter eventually came to me and confessed that she was really having a hard time accepting all that the Baptists were trying to tell her. Some of her best friends from school were Gay and of course this was a major conflict with her new congregation and speakers would rail against Gay Rights and how evil their lifestyle was. Anyway... eventually she broke up with her boyfriend... lol... She had been over his home and he had asked his Mom to do some laundry he needed done for the evening. My Daughters were taught to take care of themselves and she asked her BF why he just didn't do it himself? He said he didn't know how. My Daughter was dumbfounded..."You don't know how to do your own laundry?" His Mother overheard this and interjected.."Why should he do his own laundry? When I can do it for him?" That was the turning point of the relationship with that young man and my Daughter...lol... she could see the handwriting on the wall if she stayed in that relationship....they broke up shortly after and this was also the end of her stint with the Baptists also. So be patient and allow your Daughter to experience the "otherside"... be the contrast for her... tolerant, loving and non-judgmental. She will eventually respond as you expected her too, based on what you have taught her... trust that you did your job as a good parent. Good Luck...

spanone

(135,795 posts)
62. give her....
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:47 AM
Sep 2012

"Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
67. Ask her:
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:06 AM
Sep 2012

1. Does she want Medicare when she's older?
2.Does she want Social Sec whens she's older?
3. Does she want to pay higher taxes to pay for billionaire tax cuts?
4. Does she want affordable health care insurance or any health care at all?
5. Does she want affordable college education ?
6. Does she want the right to safe abortion?
or dozens of other things.

SharonAnn

(13,771 posts)
96. Does she want Medicare and Social Security for you? Or will she support you?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:15 AM
Sep 2012

What many young people don't seem to understand is that because of Social Security and Medicare, many parents can be largely self-sufficient and don't rely on their children for support.

Without that, they would have to provide support for their parents or watch them die.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
125. This is exactly what I tried to get across to my son and daughter in law without success. :(
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:09 PM
Sep 2012

They attend a very fundamentalist church and get a lot of right wing ideas there. They do not watch a lot of Fox News, thank goodness, but have lots of conservative friends. It kind of makes me sick that they have turned into such hard right wingers. They voted for McCain/Palin 08 but I was hoping they would see Romney for what he is and especially would be repulsed by Ryan since his idol is Ayn Rand. But that has not made a difference. They are still going to vote Romney/Ryan. My ONLY consolation in all of this is that they live in a state that will go RED with or without their vote. So their votes are pretty meaningless in the whole scheme of things. MY vote, on the other hand does matter, since I live in Florida where it could go either way. Voting for Obama in MY state has real meaning and influence on the outcome of the election.

I tried to appeal to my son and daughter in law about the possibility of the harm that could come to US (and to them, too) if Social Security is destroyed, if Medicare and Medicaid are dismantled since that might mean we would have to turn to them for our care when we are very old. We got "canned answers" back from our daughter in law when my husband sent her our concerns in an email. She wrote back with the pat answers Romney has given out......"If you are over 55 you don't need to be concerned, things won't change for you." THAT IS A BIG F'N LIE! And we tried to alert them to our concern and they just can't hear it. They are BRAINWASHED. Someone else on this thread said that and it's true. I wish she had listened to Bill Clinton's speech because he covered this issue quite well. I do not think she listened to any of the convention speeches. At least not the Democratic Convention. She did watch the Repubs.....naturally.

UNTIL the chickens come home to roost for these people (like finally figuring out that GW Bush was a liar and screwing us all over), they will be true believers. They will need to get their noses rubbed in it before they finally understand. AND that to me is why I am sad and upset.

Wish I had better suggestions for others in this situation. But I really feel that is the long and the short of it.
What we have had to do is abandon all talk that includes politics. I have to ignore the RIGHT WING posts she, my 14 year old grandson and my son post on FB. I have made a promise not to comment on their posts and not to post counter posts. It just turns into a pissing match that I won't win. And I am not willing to risk the loss of contact with my son and his family (three adorable grandkids). I have to remind myself that my daughter in law is a good person in her heart. She IS wrong about a lot of stuff. But she loves my son, provides a good home for their three children and is doing the best she can.....considering that she IS being brain washed.

Short of abducting them and taking them to a "reprogramming camp", I think they will have to find out the hard way......if GOD FORBID... Romney/Ryan wins the election. The post on Nate Silver's blog this a.m. (538) gave me hope that maybe Obama will go on to win another term and I can have the last laugh.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
139. I'm already having to support my mother because she got screwed out of her Postal pension.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:35 AM
Sep 2012

Worked there for thirty years but she needed another 5 or 8 or something and she knew her body couldn't take the abuse, took an early out and saw her pension cut in half. Now all the savings she managed to build up are gone due to the real estate crash and I'm the only one who can pick up the pieces. Her POS husband number three won't lift a finger, nor will any of his four kids who all make way more money than I do, they'd just as soon see them tossed into the streets. Republicans seem to always be scum bags, rank and file or head of the snake, doesn't seem to matter.

footinmouth

(747 posts)
68. Although it pains me to say it -
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:19 AM
Sep 2012

I'd let it go for now. I'm a lifelong Democrat, my husband's a lifelong (embarrassed) Republican. We always discussed current events and politics while our boys were growing up. We both told them when they turned 18 to choose whichever party seemed the best fit for them. Neither my husband nor I tried to influence them in their choice.

Older son registered Independent, younger son registered Democrat. Everybody in this family votes for the Democrats all the time LOL. So they made up their own minds and feel good about it.

Your daughter needs to make her own choices. Now that our boys are in their mid-30's, we feel comfortable telling them that if they turn Republican, please don't tell us. LOL. Works for us.

Good luck - I know you must feel devastated, but I bet it will work out in the end.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
71. I was raised by a Democratic mom and a Republican dad.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:36 AM
Sep 2012

I became a Republican, because for years I felt the GOP was more in line with my conservative beliefs, which I still have on many issues.

I became an Independent because I was growing increasingly uncomfortable with the intolerance, racism, misogyny and anger I saw coming from the GOP talking heads and the party in general.

I am now a registered Democrat.

I have a precious daughter, and I don't want to see all the rights and advances women have made through the years taken from her.

Take heart and have faith; she may come around.

MJkcj

(242 posts)
90. Possibly a false alarm
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:21 AM
Sep 2012

So I clicked on facebook this morning and it looks like she did not post the link herself.

Maybe her BF was on the computer and posted it? I know I have made the mistake of accidentally turning on our shared family laptop and open facebook and it is logged onto my youngest daughters... I might start responding or liking something and then I realize I am logged on as her and not myself.

SO glad she is still able to think for herself and has not been brainwashed. I should have given her more credit!!! I worry too much about his influence on her. don't trust him or his politics. But as her mom I should have trusted her. I remember her first time ever voting was the democratic primaries. I voted Hilary. She voted Barack. I was proud of her.

I'm glad I didn't say anything or respond to the post but came here to DU instead. Your advice to not rock the boat was the correct advice. thanks DU


 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
74. It''s always like this. Love interests always change beliefs
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:12 AM
Sep 2012

It can happen in reverse as well.
A hardcore Republican Alex P. Keaton boy raised in a staid hardcore Republican family (even the dog is Republican)...
...he gets with some hippy chick liberal & before you know it old suit & tie whitebread Republican boy is letting his hair grow out talking about legalizing the ganja.

People are fickle.
This is the truth.
Push the right buttons on anybody & you can change their belief systems just like that. It's all about knowing what buttons to press.

When it comes to "love", you wanna fit in with your partner so you adjust the things that are out of sync in order to maintain that affection.
Boys & girls, men & women are always changing the supposedly immutable "things I believe in" for that "love" thang.

It's very simple.
As long as she's lovestruck by this Republican guy she'll parrot his beliefs.

That's what makes this world so bizarre.
I bet you there are Bible Belt Sunday School church girls falling for those dangerous Atheist boys.
Jews falling for Muslims right there in Israel/Palestine.
Lots of kids born in Irish Republican Army families falling in love with the kids born from the English Crown oppressors.
Racist Whites from the South flying the Confederate flag having a bunch of half-Black/half-White babies & listening to hip-hop.

Ain't too many people in this world who REALLY believe what they say they believe.
I bet most people in this Democratic Underground forum are the same.
It's more about fitting in & belonging than true belief.

That's why the key to eradicating the Conservative philosophy is in making it socially poisonous to support.
People who spent their whole lives dedicated to that cause will abandon it overnight once it's only them standing by the belief system.
That's why so-called "Red States" stay Red States.
It ain't never been about the facts. It's all about that particular community. All about their peers.
John Lucas

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
77. I married a republican
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:31 AM
Sep 2012

it didn't change my political ideology one iota. and I'm hardly the only one.

But yes, most people are persuadable on a wide array of things. History amply demonstrates that.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
79. Ah but did he change his views after he married you?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 07:45 AM
Sep 2012

You are the one the few who really believes what you say you believe.
The question is did his prior views alter somewhat after marrying you?
I could be wrong but my assumption is that, yes, they did.
Even if just a little bit.
John Lucas

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
76. That is sad, I definitively think it is possible he could be influencing her
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:21 AM
Sep 2012

I actually had the reverse case scenario where I was dating a Republican in college and attempting to corrupt her. We actually almost got married (we were engaged at one point).

All you can do is reach out to her and talk to her. You may or may not be able to change her mind.

 
78. Well 2 out of 3 is not so bad
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:45 AM
Sep 2012

Make a 100% clean break from her, cut her totally out of you life NOW.

She has chosen a different path in life then you, let her enjoy her choice and you yours.

You both will be better off in the end.

You decide not to, you both will be miserable.

Minor correction, you have 2 intelligent daughters and one not so intelligent one.

Me personally if it were my daughter I would rather her be working in porn or even a meth or crack whore then to take up with a Pub, but that is just me.



Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
82. Mom to mom
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:04 AM
Sep 2012

There are alot worse things your child could be doing.

I haven't seen my daughter in 4 years.

I would be thrilled to see her knock on my door, even if she was wearing a "Romney is awesome" Teeshirt.

Imagine your life without your child- then her fb posts on politics will not seem so important.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
83. I find these comments amusing.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:06 AM
Sep 2012

I, and my husband, were raised in staunchly conservative homes. My mother is fiscally conservative. My husband's family is a.mixed bag. I am liberal because I went to college and learned how to think and see. My husband was a moderate Repub when we met and is now a solid Dem. I imagine his family felt the same way about him as you feel about your daughter (they've called me a commie, socialist, unpatriotic, etc). They'll do lovely things like goad me into arguments. Please just let it go. If your daughter has a mimd of her own, she'll come around. You will do nothing but alienate her, like my husband's family is doing to me (and my husband...who thinks his family is nuts politically)

barbtries

(28,774 posts)
87. my 28-year-old son is determinedly apathetic
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:28 AM
Sep 2012

and refuses to vote. he also refuses to believe that global warming is anything other than natural phenomena.

i've begged him to register and vote but he just won't do it. and he's in PA where it might make a difference! as for climate change, i haven't begun to work on him over that, but i plan to. send him links or something. but his stubbornness on the subject is disconcerting.

if she's falling for the republican mindset because of her man, i might worry about what other ways he's changing her. a friend of mine is married to a republican but she isn't about to turn republican over it. my mother was a republican and my father was a democrat and neither one of them ever changed the other's mind. hopefully she's not in an authoritarian relationship.

i don't know how you deal. respond to her post with your concerns maybe. it might just have been a momentary lapse and she didn't really think before she posted.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
141. climate change may be worth another try
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:36 PM
Sep 2012

Not long ago my nephew married a daughter of conservative Republicans (not the unfeeling rich kind, the middle class over-worked expedient Fox-watching kind).

This nephew has managed to get the young wife's attention on the environment & climate change and persuaded her to vote for Obama. Even tho Obama is not so progressive on the environment, still better than the Global Warming deniers. But my sister went through hell wondering what the marriage would mean for her son. They never talk politics with the in-laws, but if their son went Repug, I know it would be their worst nightmare...

The recent data and discussion about climate change is more convincing than ever before...people who "don't believe in it" are looking stupider by the minute, unfortunately

barbtries

(28,774 posts)
143. i'll keep it up.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:41 PM
Sep 2012

he's in law school and takes the train everywhere so he probably feels he's doing all he can. it's also possible that he puts forth his silly argument just to get my goat so to speak. the conversation is not over!

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
89. Truly sad
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:12 AM
Sep 2012

and, regrettably, I have no advice other than continue to arm her with facts, if you can.

As I have read this thread, however, I am truly dismayed by the number of responsive posts indicating the same occurence in other women friends or relatives when those women are coupled with a repuke male. Why do the women change? Is having/keeping a man that much of a prize that one changes core beliefs or abandons principles.

Why don't the men change?

MJkcj

(242 posts)
93. Sometimes men do change...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:32 AM
Sep 2012

My husband goes back and forth. A liberal at heart but easily influenced by his friends and people he works with who for some reason all believe that the Republican way is the best for business (they must have all had their heads in the sand during Bush years) anyway he does listen to me and in the end he knows I make more sense. poor guy is conflicted every election.

As for why women switch to their partners point of view so readily? years and years of conditioning. Men who dominate, women who by nature want to keep the peace. Its better than it was a generation or two ago and I think it will continue to be better for my daughters and their daughters but change comes slowly

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
95. Men do change too....it depends on who's the stronger personality in the relationship
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:45 AM
Sep 2012

A good college buddy of mine was a very independent, laid back free thinker. We had some great debates back in college, and sometimes I was the more conservative of the 2 of us....

Saw him last summer, and he's married to a woman who proudly says Sarah Palin is her idol and that she has volunteered on the last four GOP presidential campaigns. He just sat there nodding his head saying "I heard it on O'Reilly" or "Rush said that"....couldn't fucking believe it. Tried engaging him in some old school debate, but he was a beaten man who could only babble out talking points he heard on FOX Noise. Sad. Basically, she's a typical loudmouth Rethug who demands attention and thinks everything she says is brilliant and he's very laid back and doesn't want any fights.

jerseygal

(67 posts)
91. Your post reminds me of when my son met the woman he eventually married.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:22 AM
Sep 2012

He was bringing her with him to meet us and he called. He said in a very somber voice, "Mom. There's something you need to know about her." I heard the tone in his voice and I said, the worst possible thing I could think of.
"Oh no, she isn't a Republican, is she. I don't think I could bear that."
He began laughing and said, "Actually Mom, she is more left wing than you are."
"But what's the problem then?", I said.
He then told me she was from a different racial background. I said, "so what, as long as she isn't a Republican, we will get along fine."
Almost ten years later, she is the wonderful Mom of my two gorgeous grandchildren and my son is very happy.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
97. How unfortunate for you. In my family, blood has always been thicker than politics.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:18 AM
Sep 2012

Our love for each other always trumps petty differences like religion or party membership. Our core values of mutual respect, tolerance, and love are much stronger.

MJkcj

(242 posts)
111. gee thanks...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:27 AM
Sep 2012

did I say I didn't love her or was disowning her? I will love her always... even if she marries him. I just hope she doesn't because as a mother, I want the best for my children and I do not believe he is the best thing for her.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
140. If you had posted that you were concerned because your daughter was living with a pedophile,
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:33 AM
Sep 2012

or a batterer, or a criminal gang member, you would have gotten universal empathy on this thread.

The only negative thing you have to say about your daughter's partner is that he's a Republican. Republicans aren't all bad people. My mom was a member of the GOP from the day she first registered to vote, in 1955, until the mid-1990s. Her parents, my dear grandparents, were both life-long Republicans. They were wonderful people in many ways.

I will love her always... even if she marries him. I just hope she doesn't...

Maybe there is something else about this man that you don't like, and have chosen not to publish. That's understandable. But I cannot fathom feeling that you are losing your daughter because she may be taking a tack on politics that doesn't follow the way you tried to indoctrinate her.

If she does end up marrying that man, I hope for the sake of everyone in your family that you can learn to accept him.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
160. my thoughts exactly, i dont know or care what party people around me are and i wouldnt lose a friend
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:14 PM
Sep 2012

or especially a child over their political views unless they were full on stormfront members. Not sure what the poster was expecting from this thread its not the worst thing in the world for you to differ in politics from your kids or spouse or parents, you just dont let it become consuming.

Response to slackmaster (Reply #140)

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
98. I feel for you
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:22 AM
Sep 2012

My family is moving the opposite direction. I was kicked out of my parents place years ago for stating Bu$h/Cheney were war criminals. Took several years to enter the place again.

Now, after the housing collapse etc. they appear to be having the republican economic veil lifted away and moving left. They are nearing retirement, so it is nice to see the move.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
99. What I get from this thread is that too many DUers take politics way, way too seriously.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:32 AM
Sep 2012

I don't even know the politics of many people in my extended family. There is much, much more to life than politics. And if it reduces you to tears because someone close to you is romantically involved with someone who might vote for Romney, you should consider maybe spending less time on DU and more time in the real world.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
102. The last few months during a pivotal election year isn't an easy time to leave politics
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:42 AM
Sep 2012

And in all honesty, the politics that will come out of this election could turn out to be in your face influential in your life. Imagine Romney getting rid of the Affordable Care Act, Family Planning, Legal Abortions and even the possibility of having Roe v. Wade overturned through nominating Right Wing Justices, eliminating all taxes for the rich and increasing taxes on the middle class, eliminating all regulations on businesses or the media, taking away all the gay community's newly won rights, rescinding the rights of young Latinos to pursue a legal education and to remain in this country, getting rid of Pell Grants or low interest student loans.

No one would be unaffected.

A little imagination should convince anyone that this isn't the time to drop politics and get a life.

edited to make my sentences easier to understand.

MJkcj

(242 posts)
108. I thought DU WAS a place to talk politics????!!!
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:19 AM
Sep 2012

Rather than confront my child directly and risk alienating her, I posted here, thinking people would be empathetic. Give advice. Which they did. I appreciated their advice and didn't say anything to her about it. I love her and will always love her unconditionally. I did not say I was disowning her for christ sakes! I just worry. A mother worries.

BTW: The "someone close to me" is my DAUGHTER.... not "extended family". I don't know the politics of everyone in my extended family (cousins, nieces, nephews etc) but I do know the politics of my siblings, my husband and my children. we talk, we share things, politics is all around us. is not like its all we talk about but it is part of the conversation.

I guess my original post should have been "my heart is breaking, my daughter is being brainwashed by a conservative". maybe that would have been better.

I regret starting this thread. She & I spoke and all is fine. it was a misunderstanding. I did not give her enough credit for being the beautiful smart strong young woman I raised.

Now I will go back to the world of lurking and will not post again for 4 more years because people like you aggravate me

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
110. Do you know about the "Ignore" feature?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:26 AM
Sep 2012

There is no need to stay away from DU because people like me aggravate you. You can put me, and everyone like me, on Ignore, and it will be like we don't exist.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
158. Just ignore them....
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:05 PM
Sep 2012

....another poster who likes to tut tut people about how "we" need to be bigger than "them" at ALL times, or we're going to hell and lose the next election.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
128. I'm a pretty hard core dem and I've even walked away from a few friendships over politics
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:37 PM
Sep 2012

But I agree with you on this.

If my daughter became a republican it would not change how I felt about her. If she married and fell in love with a repuke I would love her all the same and would lover her husband too as long as he treated well and loved her.

Not all of life is about politics.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
136. Oh, we're sorry. We thought that having a conversation with our friends and family about the PEOPLE
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:44 PM
Sep 2012

WHO WILL SHAPE AMERICAN FOR GENERATIONS TO COME was sort of important. By all means, show us how much, much more there is. Let's pick the next by "who you'd want to have a beer with".

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
167. Fundamental belief systems are not trivial.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:42 PM
Sep 2012

To me they are actually a major part of a foundation of a close relationship.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
100. She's pobably trying to fit into his worldview because she loves him
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:32 AM
Sep 2012

Women are usually the one's who try to make the adjustments so their relationships can be congenial and workable. I think any woman who has been exposed all their lives to liberal ideas will eventually get very tired of a Republican for a mate. They really make lousy husbands and mates and they have a fundamental lack of empathy or sympathy.

You're her mother for life. He's someone she can and may eventually drop.

This is an election year so politics will be an important topic. But if Obama wins be prepared for him to get really pissy and whiny and then she can see him for what he is.

Or he may be a moderate Republican and a perfectly wonderful person.

MrsBrady

(4,187 posts)
101. i would be honest with her...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:34 AM
Sep 2012

Say something like...
"I'm not saying this as your mother but as one smart woman to another.
If I had a girlfriend who seemed to change her beliefs just because of the man
she was with...I would have to say something because I would be worried
about her need to change who she is to be with said man. Do what you want
but its unsettling to see you settle."

Now...do this when you are alone or have a private moment as to
not embarrass her or anyone else. And I mean to say that this should be
said in a loving but factual tone.

Then say nothing more...at all. Believe me...she may
outwardly change nothing right away, but it will be
rolling around in her brain.

Just my two cents. I just think you should be honest with her.



 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
107. Happens All The Time w/ Women
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:05 AM
Sep 2012

I don't get it, appeasing their man or falling for the BS and lies?
My best friend married a Republican and it took years, but she finally became one and voted for Bush.
We are no longer friends.

I was taking care of this 93 year old woman who voted GOP, but the more I talked to her, I said, you sound like a Dem. She used to be...I asked, did you become a R for your husband and she said yes.

I don't know what I do if it were my kid.

DemKittyNC

(743 posts)
112. Wow, sorry for your loss
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:28 AM
Sep 2012

I am the exact opposite. I am the daughter in the family full of republicans who turned democrat. Well I have always been democrat in heart but this is the first year I am allowed to vote, so yay! Rmoney/Lyin 2012 here I come! .... oh wait hehehe

nmbluesky

(2,561 posts)
114. Keep in touch with her
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:31 AM
Sep 2012

If she is a republican. My realitve are also republican, my godfather is also republican. I only disagree with them. But I always love them as person. Keep in touch with her, I know you had heartbroken, she becomes to right wing. Hope she will realize republican would not good for an America and our people, she will be back.

JustAnotherGen

(31,783 posts)
116. Do what my dad did
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:41 AM
Sep 2012

When he found out I voted for Pataki for Governor of NY - he made me sit at the children's table (I was 27 at the time) a few hours later for Thanksgiving dinner. that set me straight!

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
122. My Republican mom taught me to think critically, and to do my own thinking
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:08 PM
Sep 2012

My extreme liberal phase of my late teens and early 20s didn't bother her a bit.

lexx21

(321 posts)
131. My mother certainly did...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:18 PM
Sep 2012

She married a <cringe> republican and now touts that she has "always" been a republican. Now her track record is as follows:

1) Used to work for the AFLCIO
2) Has always supported unions
3) Told my bio-dad that he would vote straight ticket Democrat (caused a divorce on that one)
4) Laughed saying at least Clinton could zip his own pants when asked about Dole
5) Campaigned for LBJ

Sounds like a republican at heart, right?

A lot of times those that we love fall from the golden path of truth due to whom they take as SO partners. While it can be fun to bait them into conversations to support their decisions, in the end we end up treating them like the slow kid in class. You just hope they don't pick their noses and wet themselves in front of company.



It was nothing that you did, but just part of her personality (wonderful as she may be) that causes her to "go with the flow", and in this case the flow comes from her conservative boyfriend. No pun intended with that....

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
119. Remember this line when you say Republicans lack tolerance
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:49 AM
Sep 2012
I have a low tolerance for republicans who buy into the right wing hypocritical bullshit.

Tolerance goes both ways. I had to hear an acquaintance whine how intolerant the left was during the Chik fil a kerfuffle and unfortunately she was right although she's still an idiot; boy, I could post the things she's said and I'd be able to hear the laughter from here.

Save me the concern troll B.S. I've been on the left side before most of you were born.

marlakay

(11,432 posts)
120. I know exactly how you feel
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:51 AM
Sep 2012

my younger daughter is being pulled slowly out of being a strong dem over the years into the world of republicans by her husband. He used to be a strong dem too but over years of being in the military and then working at Pentagon last 3 years that did it. I saw the change happen little by little but there was nothing I could do.

They know how I believe so would make little comments like, I guess you won't like this mom but…

They just moved to CO and in just a few months away from Pentagon it is helping. (and Mitt Romney is helping) When I had them over last month they didn't like how Mitt changed his position and lied about everything.

Then my daughter told me she was going to vote for Obama again because the republicans were too far right…

My son-n-law changed to Independent instead of republican…he admitted he was getting a lot of flack for being a dem and it wasn't helping his career track.

Meanwhile though my older daughter is a very strong dem and not afraid to speak out to her sister about it. She can say things I can't or won't, like your being stupid!

 

Zax2me

(2,515 posts)
121. You put politics and big picture is seperate rooms.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:53 AM
Sep 2012

Have to deal with entire extended family.
How they vote, think, how election results turn out -
Doesn't effect me in how I work for others, assist those in need or vote. Being in a war with relatives over politics is simply not an option.

SWTORFanatic

(385 posts)
129. As someone from your daughter's generation
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:41 PM
Sep 2012

My father was a hardcore conservative. My mom leaned liberal but was mostly apolitical.

I turned out liberal.

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
130. keep in mind that most people
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:04 PM
Sep 2012

are not very left or very right. I have found living in many parts of the country (and even overseas a little) that even many republicans are not all hypocritical evil people. Many are pretty moderate and very good people and citizens. GOP talking heads on TV and RNC delegates are not the average in my experience.

Also, as children grow in to adults I think it's natural and, in many ways admirable, to explore and consider other points of view. I think the people with the strongest convictions, especially rationally held ones, are those who have considered and thought about points of view other than those they grew up with.

I'm sure you raised her to have certain core beliefs that would keep her from turning into any extreme position. I know in my family there are people who vote R and other who vote D. When we talk about individual issues, we often aren't usually too far off. It's often just a matter of priority of issues and a matter of leaning a little more one way than the other. I personally think the problem with politics now is that no politicians, esp in Washington, ever want to even be seen as compromising with the other party or taking any kind of middle ground. When I was younger, the other side wasn't seen as so extreme or certainly as so outright evil.

My sister married into a very republican family. I think she's voted for a few republicans over the years, but even they had something in common with her beliefs. She never really changed her core beliefs.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
132. Take her name off the inheritance
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:13 PM
Sep 2012

if Mitt wins. Then explain why you and daddy will need her share to survive, thanks to her voting republican.

 

Egalitariat

(1,631 posts)
137. Revisit your priorities. Family is more important. My neighbor is Republican. Awesome guy.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:44 PM
Sep 2012

I don't care how he votes.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
161. i live in a rural red area and my neighbours are all repubs and all good people
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:20 PM
Sep 2012

they help plow my drive, watch my kids when needed and generally look out for each other. sometimes people are good people regardless of political affiliation and not the extreme that they are painted as.

onenote

(42,610 posts)
142. My two cents: there are lot more heart breaking things that your daughter could do or have happen
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:41 PM
Sep 2012

to her than her deciding to become politically conservative or get romantically involved with a conservative.

Its important to keep things in perspective.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
145. Yes but these days
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:07 PM
Sep 2012

being conservative means being ultra-conservative (at least it is if you are voting). To parents it can feel like their child has joined a cult. And in many ways they have, if they are Fox/Rush Believers.

These ain't your daddy's conservatives. It changes the whole perspective.

onenote

(42,610 posts)
146. Maybe so, maybe not.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:16 PM
Sep 2012

I know plenty of republicans who would describe themselves as conservative, but who are not "cult-like" or "ultra-conservative." They don't like the direction their party is moving, but they are sticking with it.

And even if the OP's daughter became "ultra conservative", I stand by my opinion that in the great scheme of things, there are many much more heartbreaking things she could do or have happen to her. I know people who would trade having their daughter be politically conservative over what actually did happen to her.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
155. I guess this is where we disagree
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:47 PM
Sep 2012

To "stick with" the Republican party now is to buy into an ultra-conservative, far right, brain-washed mindset. If a moderate conservative doesn't understand what's really happening to their party, then how can they make an informed decision? Why would they "stick with" a negative, backward, authoritarian (tending to totalitarian) agenda?

After the Bush disaster, they'd have to be either 1) rich exploiters--or 2) brain-dead-- to continue to vote R.

Once I would have agreed that there are worse disasters. Now, it's clearly a huge divide. The choice may seal all of our fates. So if one of my children became an ultra conservative, I would consider it a tragedy and agonize over where & how they had gone wrong. It would be like they became a Moonie. Now you might say that the parent should overlook it, but I say we have all overlooked FAR too much in this cold civil war.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
147. I leave family and politics separate
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:19 PM
Sep 2012

Otherwise it would just cause rifts.

My mother has become increasingly Right wing, well so is her sisters any how, but I attribute it to being caught up in the religious movement, particularly the born again and evangelist ways.

This was merely excacerbated when my father died, since my father was actually a Democrat and further left than I am. I being an Independent. I for one tend to look at most issues in as many angles as possible. The issue I have with Republicans is how they parrot a talking point and don't bother looking to check if the facts back it up.

However, us as her kids, I think I may actually be the 2nd least left leaning. Heck, out of my siblings I am the only one who is not an actual fan of Obama. Though I voted for him and am supporting him, and actually volunteered in phone calling... So yes, I can vote for someone I don't like depending on the situation.

Either way, politics we do not discuss with our mother just because she has a set position which will not move, no matter the given proof otherwise, she will just rationalize it in another way. So, to keep drama at a minimum, politics is left away.

I am very very thankful that I have no FB or Twitter account. There is a reason I don't go in to those things.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
148. When women marry, they generally adopt the husband's voting habits.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:25 PM
Sep 2012

The best way to prevent the daughter from going to the dark side is to bring her boyfriend to ours.

 

Alduin

(501 posts)
150. So what?
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:47 PM
Sep 2012

She's still your daughter.

Are you going to hate her now?

Take this time to educate her with the facts.

atreides1

(16,067 posts)
151. I hate to say this..
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:52 PM
Sep 2012

But you still have three beautiful daughters, but only two who are intelligent!

 

kctim

(3,575 posts)
154. WTF?
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:05 PM
Sep 2012

Are you really so narrowminded that you would allow politics to come between you and your family, friends and neighbors? That's freakin ridiculous.

I am married to a conservative woman, my son is a libertarian and my daughter is a Republican. My extended family are Republicans and Democrats, a few conservatives, one far righty and thankfully no far lefty.

You should stop judging your daughter by the ridiculous far-left stereotypes of Republicans and respect her for the woman she is. Different personal beliefs and all.

 
156. Sad to say this but it's ultimatum time
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 09:58 PM
Sep 2012

she is either with the progressive cause or an enemy. If she chooses the latter then disown her.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
163. You sound like a fundie
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:32 PM
Sep 2012

I am the only Democrat and liberal in my family. Also I'm an atheist and my parents are church goers. Still, my parents wouldn't think about disowning me. That would be horrible thing to do.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
157. Since she's living with a guy I assume she's an adult?
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:02 PM
Sep 2012

At that point her views really aren't any of your business.

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