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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsmy heart is breaking. my daughter is turning into a republican
I was raised by a feminist and am a proud liberal. I have a low tolerance for republicans who buy into the right wing hypocritical bullshit.
I have three beautiful intelligent daughters. One of them is living with a republican. I just saw her post something on facebook that made me realize I'm losing her.
my heart is breaking. anyone else go through this. how do you deal?
Knew it must have something to do with the guy she's with
benld74
(9,901 posts)Marry a rich republican, don't do what mom did.
THen take him to the proverbial cleaners!!!!
I figure, holidays will be V-E-R-Y intersting to say the least,,,
Missycim
(950 posts)kids tpo use people like that? even if its a joke? wow
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)other than that, I got nothing
Sit down with her and have her tell you all the facts that have caused her to change
and then go on-line together to check the facts
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I know that it is terribly common for women to alter their views and thinking to be more in line with the men in their lives (which makes me wonder what it's like for same-sex couples, but that's a different conversation).
Is she open to reason? Can you get her to understand that she really is not part of the 1% -- at least I'm guessing that she's not. Can you show her that the current Republican thinking is absolutely opposed to her human-ness?
I feel for you, even though my two adult sons have stayed true to the liberal/progressive/Democrats that their parents are.
Skittles
(153,122 posts)she's hearing too much from one side - straighten her out!!!!!!! ARM HER WITH THE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David__77
(23,335 posts)And I'm not sure I want to. That my father is right-wing separates me from him, all other things aside.
If your daughter is affected on one or two points, the issue may not be serious. If she was never especially committed to a well-formed worldview, then perhaps she's trending in a bad direction. Being a conscious right-winger is not consistent with being a humanist. I wouldn't jump the gun though. If you've talked politics before, do so again and see.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)That usually does the trick
handmade34
(22,756 posts)I too have a daughter who tends to date Republicans and is often taken in... I just keep talking to her and I know she hears... keep the lines of communication open with your daughter; you will not lose her forever
I've lost a few friends who were influenced by the man in their lives, and I'm a little concerned about my niece. I don't know what you can do to change their minds except don't discuss politics. And maybe not read their Facebook page? It's so painful to see someone you love become something you hate.
Aristus
(66,294 posts)I was raised by unreconstructed, old-school Kennedy liberals. (My mother even marched in JFK's inaugural parade). I turned hard right during the Reagan years; I was a huge fan of RR, mainly because I didn't know a thing about politics. My first Presidential election in 1988, I voted for Bush Sr. My mother was furious. I didn't care.
In '92 I voted for Bush again.
After the horror of the '94 mid-terms, I began to re-examine my political leanings, & juxtaposing them with my actual ideological beliefs. I've always been a liberal at heart.
In '96, I voted proudly for Bill Clinton, and I've never cast a vote for a Repub since.
And my motto, as most long-time DU-ers know, is: "Liberal till I DIE, motherfuckers!"
I hope your daughter will return to the fold, as much for her own sake, as for yours...
duhneece
(4,110 posts)thanks
elleng
(130,769 posts)can't imagine it. Hard as it may be, I suggest 'ignore' vis a vis her now. She's 'living with a republican,' but she grew up with you and your liberal family.
I suspect it will pass as will her relationship w the repug, and she'll appreciate that you didn't/don't make a fuss about it.
ellenfl
(8,660 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)Money is too good, I guess.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Tell her of your concern without being accusatory. Being up a scenerio with a clear moral choice and apply it to political positions.
firehorse
(755 posts)I dated some when I was in my 20's. By listening to their garbage it helped me realize how much of a liberal I am.
Number_9
(32 posts)She'll do what she likes and if you push it you'll just be that naggy hippy liberal mom and she'll distance.
Short of full on "Obama must die and I'm off to the KKK militia" I wouldn't worry about it...
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I actually told my boys that if they ever became republicans it would totally break my heart, and I would consider myself a failure as a parent.
Anyway, look at the bright side - the guy is a republican, so he must be a total schmuck. Hopefully they'll break up soon, the spell will be broken, and she'll come back to sanity.
duhneece
(4,110 posts)And I truly feel that way.
My heart breaks for this parent.
librarylu
(503 posts)She'll be back. When I was young and in love and breaking away from Mom I voted for Richard Nixon.
MJkcj
(242 posts)I love to read the posts on DU - I seldom post myself (too lazy) but I always enjoy to read the discussions. The few times I've actually posted myself its because I've needed to reach out to people who understand. Thank you for your compassion DU. you are a great community!
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)She is an adult. Don't bother trying to change her opinions. Just make sure she knows who you support, and why, and then show that you are a good person. Lead by example. And what happens, happens.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I couldn't "lose" a daughter over differing political views. Love comes first - always and forever.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)All I ask of you is that you don't hurt yourself or anyone else in life.
If she chooses to honor that request then that should innoculate her from all things Republican.
FedUpWithIt All
(4,442 posts)Absolutely. My kids, if asked, all say that the most important thing to me is that they always be kind, true to themselves and defend those who require defense.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Her book showed me that a President who is out of touch with the people results in things like refusing to sign the "Energy Assistance" extension in January or February when it can do some good instead of in April when the critical moment is all over and people have frozen to death in their homes.
She also had a story about how Clinton had crafted a bill to deal with the Listeria bacteria which basically is like "mad cow" disease for humans. How simple changes in poultry production lines like putting up a plexiglas shield between the production line and the area where workers hose down the floor of guts removed from chickens. This prevents fecal matter from being sprayed up onto the final product and removes an easily preventable source of contamination that can kill - especially the very old and the very young.
So what did Bush do? Scuttle the bill so his friends in the poultry business wouldn't be inconvenienced by silly regulations AND the result? Children and the elderly eat contaminated lunch meat and die horrible, painful deaths, with their brains basically MELTING and their family or doctors being unable to do anything about it.
THEN the discussion is, HOW will electing another out of touch rich man and going back to the policies created by politicians more concerned with paying back their money sources than serving their country help us at this difficult time?
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)was outraged by the idiocy being described) and from the distance of a past administration could be just the ticket.
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Makes me sick. I cannot support her for one second as I don't believe this way. Enough already a longgggg time ago!
FedUpWithIt All
(4,442 posts)By all means, talk as plainly and as determinedly about your position as you ever have. Make sure you let her know that you love her unconditionally. I assure you, your lessons to her will never be far from her. The quickest and simplest way cause a deep rift is to alienate her and allow the only voice of support to be that of the RW BF. Your love will remain when the voice and possible affection, of the currently beloved BF is no longer so powerful.
Good luck to you. Parenting adult children is hard. I have been telling people that 2, 3, 13 and 16 had NOTHING on 19.
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)you're scaring me. My oldest is 15, thought the turbulent years were pretty much over, but then I see what my sister is going through with my niece who is an adult, and I hope I never have to go through what she is going through with her daughter.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)If you go full blown assault on her you'll just push her further to the right or worse.
Keep your parental guidence in this case as basic and loving as possible. A simple, consistent and all encompassing message is best.
Try reminding her as a gentle refrain:
All I ask of you is that you don't hurt yourself or anyone else in life.
If she chooses to honor that request and apply it at deeper and deeper levels throughout her life, then that should innoculate her from all things Republican.
no_hypocrisy
(46,038 posts)My sister was seriously considering a conversion from Judaism to Cathocism solely to prime herself to getting engaged to a guy she wanted to propose to her.
They eventually broke up and she never went through with the conversion.
As of note, she broke the priest who was giving her instruction. A year after she finished studying with him, he converted to Episcopalian.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Why aren't they married?
Once the Republicans get done with teh gays, baby killers, socialists and atheists, they'll need to find other groups to browbeat with their moral purity tests. Food for thought for her.
MJkcj
(242 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I hear ya....
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)She's not comfortable with the Individual Mandate for health insurance?
Her views on gay marriage are the the same as what Obama's views were a few weeks ago prior to him evolving on the issue?
I think love should conquer pretty much most of these differences of opinion. If it bothers you that much, just don't talk about politics.
still_one
(92,061 posts)MJkcj
(242 posts)I already said I am a feminist. Rape and abortion and choice and equal rights are all subjects that I am passionate about. I come here and bare my soul over something that hurts me and Its like you are trying to rub salt in my wound.
I don't know where she stands on abortion. I would assume she would not have turned into such a hardliner already. The post on facebook was about Obama and democratic being fiscally irresponsible and raising the debt ceiling. It was bullshit but I know her boyfriend believes in that.
She is my daughter, I love her. I am sad that she is making bad choices living with a man I cannot respect.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)exploded under Bush.
MJkcj
(242 posts)Everyone else has written great advice about letting it go, how she will most likely come to her senses, how they've had similar experiences with a loved one... lots of empathy and good humor.... but your posts have a nasty edge to them. Are you always this hostile?
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)I meant was that when Clinton left office the economy had an annual budget surplus. By the time Bush left office in 2009 the surplus was long gone and annual deficits had skyrocketed. For your daughter to buy the line that Obama's deficit spending is a problem shows very little understanding of the facts of very recent history.
No hostility intended in my brevity.
I hope you can bring your daughter to her senses through gentle suasion.
still_one
(92,061 posts)why you say I am being harsh
I am simply stating the position of the republican candidate for President.
I NEVER said not to love your daughter, I simply stated a simple fact, which will be a reality if they are elected
I have a daughter, and we don't always see eye to eye, but we are very honest with each other, and even if we disagree the love is always there.
I had the impression you were upset that she would be voting republican, not that she was seeing a person who is a republican.
I do find it interesting that you do not know your daughter's position on abortion. That is sad, because that means you and your daughter are not communicating
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)those are some of the first questions I'd ask my daughters if they told me they had gone far right.
still_one
(92,061 posts)AzSweet
(102 posts)Yes, they may stray..but that little Mom voice is there in the background...Mine is dating a republican too....keep the faith! : )
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Let's hope not. My family is very conservative. my husband's too. I'm sure they think I've brainwashed him.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)... You really cannot make such a sweeping statement. I have one sister who went off the deep-end into extreme, right-wing conservatism along with her husband of 41 years. She is now 61, and the older she gets, frankly, the worse she gets.
appleannie1
(5,062 posts)family. He isn't even from this country yet knows all about what our forefather's wishes were. You just have to figure out a way to work with it and not let it totally tear the family apart.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Wow....Just wow.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)appleannie1
(5,062 posts)give us. According to him the proof of that is that they put "In God We Trust" on our money. He refuses to believe when we tell him that our forefathers founded this country to get away from countries that were ruled by religions and that was not put on our money until the 1950's. In other words, he knows more about this country than I do even though I am descended from people that fought in the Revolution. He also thinks that Bill O Liely is the smartest man in the US and Sarah Palin the smartest woman.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)which is what one really needs to know to "know" your forefathers wishes.
that and some history about race, imperialism, colonialism and other such less pleasant things.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)By refuting all of the right-wing misinformation, my two adult sons have an opportunity to see the flip side of the important issues and therefore those lies left unanswered don't become known as facts. My sons read everything I post although they are not always pleased that I post so much politics on FaceBook, I consider it collateral damage, I would rather have them annoyed with me than ignorant of the facts of life!
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)can be better for his business. He announced 2 weeks ago he'll be voting ReThug. However after the Dem convention...I think he's reconsidered. I do hope and pray he'll vote Democratic. He's always been a Dem but his help are all those stupid to white men and he gets to listen to a fair share of Obama bashing. I can't believe they vote against their own interests. He watches Matthews and he's helped to prevent him from really going off the deep end. I'm going to throw him all the life lines I can muster. What I really need is some talking points on how Obama will be good for really small business. Sorry can't type now...watching the end of Saving Private Ryan.
ann---
(1,933 posts)"Seventeen Small Business Tax Cuts and Counting"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/07/barack-obama/barack-obama-claims-credit-least-16-tax-cuts-small/
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)Just in case, remind him that the President has CUT taxes for small business EIGHTEEN TIMES since taking office. Also has expanded the SBA, created more loans for small businesses, included tax incentives for hiring employees. The Stock Market has doubled under the President's tenure, which means that your son's customers will have more to spend. Frankly, consumer confidence is soaring again, as is consumer spending (new numbers just came out so you can google them.) Anyone with a business in America, would be stupid to vote for a republican.. unless your son is a billionaire, chances are his customers are going to be other small businesses and/or average Americans whose taxes will rise around 2k under Romney's plan. The tax cuts Romney/Ryan are pushing, will not benefit him in the least. In fact, when the R/R ticket extracts their payment for the huge billionaire tax cuts (they get 250k each) it will come from home mortgage deduction, student loan deduction, etc. And once again. as under Bush, the SPENDERS in America will be hosed. The Koch Brothers are not going to be buying from your Son's business...
RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)One whose business is connected in large part to the auto industry. At one point, they stopped paying themselves so they could keep paying their employees, but eventually even that was too much and they had to let a couple guys go. In the last few years, though, they have seen their healthcare costs stabilize and seen business pick up to the point where they may have to hire more help. They thought Bush was an embarrassment and honestly can't fathom how anyone would vote for Romney over Obama.
On the other hand, a couple acquaintances of mine have recently married very rich young men - - like, private jet having, never worked a day in their lives and will never have to rich. Every Facebook post is either pictures of them flying off to their latest "vacation" or anti-Obama vitriol. They weren't this way beforehand; their own families tell me they are "brainwashed" now by money. Sad.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)His "comrades" have convinced him that Obama is going to cut his veteran's benefits.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)If Romney/Ryan don't give a shit about the people actively serving in dangerous areas, what makes him think they'll do anything for vets?
Tikki
(14,549 posts)feels he can go against TRADITION and not share his Tax Returns. And is she alright with that
precedence being set for future candidates and so; why?
Tikki
ann---
(1,933 posts)One of my sons who was a staunch "no party affiliation" kind of guy is buying into his wife's politics. Very sad. I love him so much but refuse to talk about the election - or any political issue - with him and his wife.
I'm not registered to any party but I have never, ever voted for a Republican in a presidential or Congressional race and I NEVER WILL.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)A lot of young (I'm assuming she is young) women are politically influenced by the men in their lives, for better or worse. I know because I was one of them! I was married to a Republican. Just be loving and supportive. State your views, state the facts, and leave it at that. My 25 year-old daughter is a very loud and proud liberal today but went through a bit of a right wing phase when she was about 18 or 19. She is currently an Obama volunteer. Don't let it worry you too much. She'll figure it out. Peace.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)She was a liberal democrat but he is a conservative republican and has influenced her so much that she now posts republican talking points on facebook and so on. So I'm familiar with the situation, it is just something you have to deal with, and I don't let politics get in the way of family relationships.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Warpy
(111,174 posts)That usually fixes things.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)My conversion from go-along Republican wife to 100% progressive Democrat started with the Iraq war, which I totally hated. Went to the March For Women's Lives at the time, which really inspired me to go ahead and get divorced... be myself. Just hope she never marries this guy. Divorce is messy and expensive!
kiva
(4,373 posts)I have a few Repub family members, and (unlike many family that get discussed here) they are very loving people and we have a great relationship, but we never talk about politics...of course, they aren't tea-party nuts either.
Worry about her actions more than what she posts on Facebook - she may talk the party line, but if she's still the daughter you raised in the way she acts, find new common ground.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)My ex husband's mother was a lifelong democrat, from a long line of them, until she married a Fox News lovin' racist. Now she's as bad as he is. It's so disheartening to see women who do this.. as if they can't think for themselves.
Hopefully once she sees the republican for who is he truly is, she will snap out of it. The only advice would be to talk to her, when he is not around, and ask her if she's given up on her principles that she had before she met him... and if she thinks that's a good idea. In my family, we've had women who married republican men.. well, let's just say they WERE republicans until they saw the light.
I've noticed that my stepdaughter, that I helped raise, is now married to a military guy. He was always liberal in high school and growing up, and is still somewhat liberal, but I see the influence of the guys he hangs around with now. Sad.
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)My brother was a Democrat. Then, he hooked up a republican. Now, he's a FoxNews-swilling, right-wing talking points-spewing moron. And, it rubbed off on his punk-ass son. They'e a couple of know-it-all know-nothings. Quite sad. I used to think they were both smart guys, too. I thought wrong.
Lilyeye
(1,417 posts)She was a liberal dem and raised her son to be one until she married her new husband 5 years ago. The woman that we admired is a full blown tea bagger now that she is married to a bigot conservative republican. She gets angry if me and my bf say anything bad about republicans. My bf is very upset that his mom turned her back on the values and morals that she raised him with. I don't understand how a woman can get to 50 years old and then change her views like that. I guess it was some serious brainwashing that took place. Not to mention she constantly listens to that right wing talk radio trash. It kinda angers me a little to see what she allowed that man to do to her.
I knew another woman who was raised a democrat and then turned into a republican during her marriage. However, she changed back and finally realized she can have her own views apart from her husband.
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)and blame it all on my husband (who was a rabid teenage republican also turned liberal)
I can relate to your daughter actually.
First of all, don't start judging your daughter on a few statements. Give her some credit. You raised her didn't you.
Give her some space and respect her intelligence.
Perhaps she is in the process of converting (or making more reasonable) a Republican. He must see something in your daughter after all.
So she can see some points on the Republican side. The debt ceiling is ridiculous. Government spending is out of control because of Bush's tax cuts during 2 wars and two new Big Government programs. WE can all admit it. It's not Obama's fault, perhaps that's where she is confused but did she say that? Many Republicans are just as disillusioned with Bush and Romney, that is why they focus their hate on Obama.
And hell, the Republican party has always been this crazy. There might have been a happy balance in this country if they hadn't gotten all power hungry, greedy and sadistic. Maybe they can return to sanity, with the help of people like your daughter.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)unfortunately, what i find myself doing with stupid, is when they then use govt aide, or school loan, or any of the many programs that they tend to use, i have to throw a jab about the hypocrisy.
then again, there is the issue of a woman voting for repug, when a repug is willing to inflict pain on a girl for making a legal choice of abortion, for no other reason but humiliation and shame. how does a person get past a woman willing to do that to another woman.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)I canvassed for Move On in Ohio in 04. Our get out the vote effort focused on people who had voted dem in the past who'd recently changed to rep. the vast majority on my list were young women. most of the time the men came to the door as well. the women were then tight lipped and admitted they were voting for Bush, as their men looked on.
I'm not sure why this happens, women don't feel they can keep their individual preferences? I was just hoping that when they got into that booth to push the button or pull the levers, when no one was looking, they would vote their hearts. But I'm optimistic like that.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)When I was married I nodded my head and smiled at my ex's Republican BS but when I got in the booth I couldn't help but vote Democrat all the way.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)My parents and family were all republicans. I grew up loving Regean and even voted for G. W. in 2000. I think it was a combination of the war shaking my foundations and my feminist wife that knocked some sense into me.
You don't have to stuff too many body bags to figure out that war and republican policies suck. Then, when there is a whole in your belief structure liberal ideas make a lot of sense and easily fill the void. It just feels better going around loving people instead of hating and shooting them. Instead of turning me into a cold killer like Rambo, combat made me more of a loving and caring person. The only problem is that my PTSD kind of makes it hard for me express or feel positive emotions. Go figure.
I don't know if it's the mind altering drugs the VA is giving me, but I probably could be called a socialist by many of the liberals I work with. I've gone that far left on some of my beliefs.
Did that help you? Probably not. I wouldn't advocate sending your daughter to a war to change hel political views.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)from life as you go along....
also you are lucky in love!
sibelian
(7,804 posts)I hope you recover fully from your PTSD and that all will be well with you.
imanamerican63
(13,750 posts)I am from a large family all the way back to my parents' family! Most of them are lost, LOL! I have one sister who was just a couple of months ago, was on the good side! But her new boyfriends has filled her mind with GOP garb!
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)It happens. Everyone has to make up their own minds. Some people never get involved at all in politics. You can have as many debates and question her a million times but she may not change her mind. My parents keep telling me I will grow up and outgrow being a liberal Democrat. I will be 37 in December. I am already very, very grown up with a house, a husband and two children! You just have to realize you may agree to disagree but still love that person. I still love my parents immensely. They are not bad people, just misguided.
MJkcj
(242 posts)My sister has ALWAYS been conservative. I usually attribute it to her not being smart enough to realize that she is not part of the 1% and these policies she thinks she supports are directly hurting her. whatever. we don't see each other very much and we've always been very different.
My husband works and plays golf with a bunch of white republications. Nice guys most them. But they believe that Republicans are better for business. They tend to be libertarian ... they want to the gov regulations out of their business so that they can make money for their families. I reminded my husband that his mother who has been mentally ill most of her adult life lives on programs that the republications would cut. I could see the light bulb go on.
My youngest daughter is a full blow liberal. she admits to being a bit of a socialist. My mother would be so proud! super smart. ready to engage anyone in a debate over obamacare and pretty much anything re politics, religion and current events. My middle one has never been interested in politics but the youngest is influencing her
But seeing my oldest daughter change due to the influence of her boyfriend is just killing me. She is a good person with solid values. She is loving, unselfish, fair. She loves to travel the world and is so open to new people and different cultures. Many of her best friends are gay. She is color blind when it comes to race. She is just insecure enough to fall under the spell of a man who tells her how to think. It just kills me. I failed as a parent. I should have instilled more self confidence. She is young (21) so there is hope that she will out grow this nimwit
Yooperman
(592 posts)I have two Daughters as well... My wife and I raised them to be tolerant and accepting of all peoples regardless of who they were or how they were raised. We were a non-religious Family but raised very morally correct young ladies. With that... lol...one day my oldest Daughter who was maybe a senior or just out of high school at the time, blurted out to me from the back seat of our car...."Dad, you know that I am a Christian!" I looked in the rear view mirror and responded ... "Good for you! You have to make your own choices in life and religion is one." I know she really didn't expect me to respond this way...although she should have. I am always one to invite any missionary or Jehovah's Witnesses in to have a chat when they knock on my door. They generally just leave not sure exactly how to feel as I ask them questions that they have difficulty answering. As for my Daughter.... You see, she had been dating a Southern Baptist. She started attending church with him and his Family and was taken in on the friendly atmosphere that most churches have, especially a potential new member. Well, of course I hoped that she didn't get too wrapped up with them...but I had to trust that my wife and I did our job and she would come to see how prejudiced some religious organizations can be, especially Southern Baptists. I was being truthful to her with that I would respect her choices...as parents we are to raise our children to make their own choices and live their own life...not one that I planned out for them. As they experience "the other point of view"....they will think back on how they were raised and hopefully be able to see the contrasts of the different ways of thought. In the end... my Daughter eventually came to me and confessed that she was really having a hard time accepting all that the Baptists were trying to tell her. Some of her best friends from school were Gay and of course this was a major conflict with her new congregation and speakers would rail against Gay Rights and how evil their lifestyle was. Anyway... eventually she broke up with her boyfriend... lol... She had been over his home and he had asked his Mom to do some laundry he needed done for the evening. My Daughters were taught to take care of themselves and she asked her BF why he just didn't do it himself? He said he didn't know how. My Daughter was dumbfounded..."You don't know how to do your own laundry?" His Mother overheard this and interjected.."Why should he do his own laundry? When I can do it for him?" That was the turning point of the relationship with that young man and my Daughter...lol... she could see the handwriting on the wall if she stayed in that relationship....they broke up shortly after and this was also the end of her stint with the Baptists also. So be patient and allow your Daughter to experience the "otherside"... be the contrast for her... tolerant, loving and non-judgmental. She will eventually respond as you expected her too, based on what you have taught her... trust that you did your job as a good parent. Good Luck...
spanone
(135,795 posts)"Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."
Cha
(296,893 posts)it last? Patience and Facts and a lot of Good Luck, MFkcj!
1. Does she want Medicare when she's older?
2.Does she want Social Sec whens she's older?
3. Does she want to pay higher taxes to pay for billionaire tax cuts?
4. Does she want affordable health care insurance or any health care at all?
5. Does she want affordable college education ?
6. Does she want the right to safe abortion?
or dozens of other things.
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)What many young people don't seem to understand is that because of Social Security and Medicare, many parents can be largely self-sufficient and don't rely on their children for support.
Without that, they would have to provide support for their parents or watch them die.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)They attend a very fundamentalist church and get a lot of right wing ideas there. They do not watch a lot of Fox News, thank goodness, but have lots of conservative friends. It kind of makes me sick that they have turned into such hard right wingers. They voted for McCain/Palin 08 but I was hoping they would see Romney for what he is and especially would be repulsed by Ryan since his idol is Ayn Rand. But that has not made a difference. They are still going to vote Romney/Ryan. My ONLY consolation in all of this is that they live in a state that will go RED with or without their vote. So their votes are pretty meaningless in the whole scheme of things. MY vote, on the other hand does matter, since I live in Florida where it could go either way. Voting for Obama in MY state has real meaning and influence on the outcome of the election.
I tried to appeal to my son and daughter in law about the possibility of the harm that could come to US (and to them, too) if Social Security is destroyed, if Medicare and Medicaid are dismantled since that might mean we would have to turn to them for our care when we are very old. We got "canned answers" back from our daughter in law when my husband sent her our concerns in an email. She wrote back with the pat answers Romney has given out......"If you are over 55 you don't need to be concerned, things won't change for you." THAT IS A BIG F'N LIE! And we tried to alert them to our concern and they just can't hear it. They are BRAINWASHED. Someone else on this thread said that and it's true. I wish she had listened to Bill Clinton's speech because he covered this issue quite well. I do not think she listened to any of the convention speeches. At least not the Democratic Convention. She did watch the Repubs.....naturally.
UNTIL the chickens come home to roost for these people (like finally figuring out that GW Bush was a liar and screwing us all over), they will be true believers. They will need to get their noses rubbed in it before they finally understand. AND that to me is why I am sad and upset.
Wish I had better suggestions for others in this situation. But I really feel that is the long and the short of it.
What we have had to do is abandon all talk that includes politics. I have to ignore the RIGHT WING posts she, my 14 year old grandson and my son post on FB. I have made a promise not to comment on their posts and not to post counter posts. It just turns into a pissing match that I won't win. And I am not willing to risk the loss of contact with my son and his family (three adorable grandkids). I have to remind myself that my daughter in law is a good person in her heart. She IS wrong about a lot of stuff. But she loves my son, provides a good home for their three children and is doing the best she can.....considering that she IS being brain washed.
Short of abducting them and taking them to a "reprogramming camp", I think they will have to find out the hard way......if GOD FORBID... Romney/Ryan wins the election. The post on Nate Silver's blog this a.m. (538) gave me hope that maybe Obama will go on to win another term and I can have the last laugh.
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)Worked there for thirty years but she needed another 5 or 8 or something and she knew her body couldn't take the abuse, took an early out and saw her pension cut in half. Now all the savings she managed to build up are gone due to the real estate crash and I'm the only one who can pick up the pieces. Her POS husband number three won't lift a finger, nor will any of his four kids who all make way more money than I do, they'd just as soon see them tossed into the streets. Republicans seem to always be scum bags, rank and file or head of the snake, doesn't seem to matter.
footinmouth
(747 posts)I'd let it go for now. I'm a lifelong Democrat, my husband's a lifelong (embarrassed) Republican. We always discussed current events and politics while our boys were growing up. We both told them when they turned 18 to choose whichever party seemed the best fit for them. Neither my husband nor I tried to influence them in their choice.
Older son registered Independent, younger son registered Democrat. Everybody in this family votes for the Democrats all the time LOL. So they made up their own minds and feel good about it.
Your daughter needs to make her own choices. Now that our boys are in their mid-30's, we feel comfortable telling them that if they turn Republican, please don't tell us. LOL. Works for us.
Good luck - I know you must feel devastated, but I bet it will work out in the end.
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)I became a Republican, because for years I felt the GOP was more in line with my conservative beliefs, which I still have on many issues.
I became an Independent because I was growing increasingly uncomfortable with the intolerance, racism, misogyny and anger I saw coming from the GOP talking heads and the party in general.
I am now a registered Democrat.
I have a precious daughter, and I don't want to see all the rights and advances women have made through the years taken from her.
Take heart and have faith; she may come around.
mykpart
(3,879 posts)Or get one of those guys that deprogram cult members?
MJkcj
(242 posts)So I clicked on facebook this morning and it looks like she did not post the link herself.
Maybe her BF was on the computer and posted it? I know I have made the mistake of accidentally turning on our shared family laptop and open facebook and it is logged onto my youngest daughters... I might start responding or liking something and then I realize I am logged on as her and not myself.
SO glad she is still able to think for herself and has not been brainwashed. I should have given her more credit!!! I worry too much about his influence on her. don't trust him or his politics. But as her mom I should have trusted her. I remember her first time ever voting was the democratic primaries. I voted Hilary. She voted Barack. I was proud of her.
I'm glad I didn't say anything or respond to the post but came here to DU instead. Your advice to not rock the boat was the correct advice. thanks DU
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)It can happen in reverse as well.
A hardcore Republican Alex P. Keaton boy raised in a staid hardcore Republican family (even the dog is Republican)...
...he gets with some hippy chick liberal & before you know it old suit & tie whitebread Republican boy is letting his hair grow out talking about legalizing the ganja.
People are fickle.
This is the truth.
Push the right buttons on anybody & you can change their belief systems just like that. It's all about knowing what buttons to press.
When it comes to "love", you wanna fit in with your partner so you adjust the things that are out of sync in order to maintain that affection.
Boys & girls, men & women are always changing the supposedly immutable "things I believe in" for that "love" thang.
It's very simple.
As long as she's lovestruck by this Republican guy she'll parrot his beliefs.
That's what makes this world so bizarre.
I bet you there are Bible Belt Sunday School church girls falling for those dangerous Atheist boys.
Jews falling for Muslims right there in Israel/Palestine.
Lots of kids born in Irish Republican Army families falling in love with the kids born from the English Crown oppressors.
Racist Whites from the South flying the Confederate flag having a bunch of half-Black/half-White babies & listening to hip-hop.
Ain't too many people in this world who REALLY believe what they say they believe.
I bet most people in this Democratic Underground forum are the same.
It's more about fitting in & belonging than true belief.
That's why the key to eradicating the Conservative philosophy is in making it socially poisonous to support.
People who spent their whole lives dedicated to that cause will abandon it overnight once it's only them standing by the belief system.
That's why so-called "Red States" stay Red States.
It ain't never been about the facts. It's all about that particular community. All about their peers.
John Lucas
cali
(114,904 posts)it didn't change my political ideology one iota. and I'm hardly the only one.
But yes, most people are persuadable on a wide array of things. History amply demonstrates that.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)You are the one the few who really believes what you say you believe.
The question is did his prior views alter somewhat after marrying you?
I could be wrong but my assumption is that, yes, they did.
Even if just a little bit.
John Lucas
cali
(114,904 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I actually had the reverse case scenario where I was dating a Republican in college and attempting to corrupt her. We actually almost got married (we were engaged at one point).
All you can do is reach out to her and talk to her. You may or may not be able to change her mind.
nopedontlikeitatall
(44 posts)Make a 100% clean break from her, cut her totally out of you life NOW.
She has chosen a different path in life then you, let her enjoy her choice and you yours.
You both will be better off in the end.
You decide not to, you both will be miserable.
Minor correction, you have 2 intelligent daughters and one not so intelligent one.
Me personally if it were my daughter I would rather her be working in porn or even a meth or crack whore then to take up with a Pub, but that is just me.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)Crack whore? Porn?
Seriously?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)There are alot worse things your child could be doing.
I haven't seen my daughter in 4 years.
I would be thrilled to see her knock on my door, even if she was wearing a "Romney is awesome" Teeshirt.
Imagine your life without your child- then her fb posts on politics will not seem so important.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)Words of wisdom.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)I, and my husband, were raised in staunchly conservative homes. My mother is fiscally conservative. My husband's family is a.mixed bag. I am liberal because I went to college and learned how to think and see. My husband was a moderate Repub when we met and is now a solid Dem. I imagine his family felt the same way about him as you feel about your daughter (they've called me a commie, socialist, unpatriotic, etc). They'll do lovely things like goad me into arguments. Please just let it go. If your daughter has a mimd of her own, she'll come around. You will do nothing but alienate her, like my husband's family is doing to me (and my husband...who thinks his family is nuts politically)
malaise
(268,724 posts)Give her space to sort it out for herself.
barbtries
(28,774 posts)and refuses to vote. he also refuses to believe that global warming is anything other than natural phenomena.
i've begged him to register and vote but he just won't do it. and he's in PA where it might make a difference! as for climate change, i haven't begun to work on him over that, but i plan to. send him links or something. but his stubbornness on the subject is disconcerting.
if she's falling for the republican mindset because of her man, i might worry about what other ways he's changing her. a friend of mine is married to a republican but she isn't about to turn republican over it. my mother was a republican and my father was a democrat and neither one of them ever changed the other's mind. hopefully she's not in an authoritarian relationship.
i don't know how you deal. respond to her post with your concerns maybe. it might just have been a momentary lapse and she didn't really think before she posted.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Not long ago my nephew married a daughter of conservative Republicans (not the unfeeling rich kind, the middle class over-worked expedient Fox-watching kind).
This nephew has managed to get the young wife's attention on the environment & climate change and persuaded her to vote for Obama. Even tho Obama is not so progressive on the environment, still better than the Global Warming deniers. But my sister went through hell wondering what the marriage would mean for her son. They never talk politics with the in-laws, but if their son went Repug, I know it would be their worst nightmare...
The recent data and discussion about climate change is more convincing than ever before...people who "don't believe in it" are looking stupider by the minute, unfortunately
barbtries
(28,774 posts)he's in law school and takes the train everywhere so he probably feels he's doing all he can. it's also possible that he puts forth his silly argument just to get my goat so to speak. the conversation is not over!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)and, regrettably, I have no advice other than continue to arm her with facts, if you can.
As I have read this thread, however, I am truly dismayed by the number of responsive posts indicating the same occurence in other women friends or relatives when those women are coupled with a repuke male. Why do the women change? Is having/keeping a man that much of a prize that one changes core beliefs or abandons principles.
Why don't the men change?
MJkcj
(242 posts)My husband goes back and forth. A liberal at heart but easily influenced by his friends and people he works with who for some reason all believe that the Republican way is the best for business (they must have all had their heads in the sand during Bush years) anyway he does listen to me and in the end he knows I make more sense. poor guy is conflicted every election.
As for why women switch to their partners point of view so readily? years and years of conditioning. Men who dominate, women who by nature want to keep the peace. Its better than it was a generation or two ago and I think it will continue to be better for my daughters and their daughters but change comes slowly
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)A good college buddy of mine was a very independent, laid back free thinker. We had some great debates back in college, and sometimes I was the more conservative of the 2 of us....
Saw him last summer, and he's married to a woman who proudly says Sarah Palin is her idol and that she has volunteered on the last four GOP presidential campaigns. He just sat there nodding his head saying "I heard it on O'Reilly" or "Rush said that"....couldn't fucking believe it. Tried engaging him in some old school debate, but he was a beaten man who could only babble out talking points he heard on FOX Noise. Sad. Basically, she's a typical loudmouth Rethug who demands attention and thinks everything she says is brilliant and he's very laid back and doesn't want any fights.
jerseygal
(67 posts)He was bringing her with him to meet us and he called. He said in a very somber voice, "Mom. There's something you need to know about her." I heard the tone in his voice and I said, the worst possible thing I could think of.
"Oh no, she isn't a Republican, is she. I don't think I could bear that."
He began laughing and said, "Actually Mom, she is more left wing than you are."
"But what's the problem then?", I said.
He then told me she was from a different racial background. I said, "so what, as long as she isn't a Republican, we will get along fine."
Almost ten years later, she is the wonderful Mom of my two gorgeous grandchildren and my son is very happy.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Certain things are simply unacceptable!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)That would have been my instinctive reaction also.
Welcome to DU!
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Our love for each other always trumps petty differences like religion or party membership. Our core values of mutual respect, tolerance, and love are much stronger.
MJkcj
(242 posts)did I say I didn't love her or was disowning her? I will love her always... even if she marries him. I just hope she doesn't because as a mother, I want the best for my children and I do not believe he is the best thing for her.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)or a batterer, or a criminal gang member, you would have gotten universal empathy on this thread.
The only negative thing you have to say about your daughter's partner is that he's a Republican. Republicans aren't all bad people. My mom was a member of the GOP from the day she first registered to vote, in 1955, until the mid-1990s. Her parents, my dear grandparents, were both life-long Republicans. They were wonderful people in many ways.
I will love her always... even if she marries him. I just hope she doesn't...
Maybe there is something else about this man that you don't like, and have chosen not to publish. That's understandable. But I cannot fathom feeling that you are losing your daughter because she may be taking a tack on politics that doesn't follow the way you tried to indoctrinate her.
If she does end up marrying that man, I hope for the sake of everyone in your family that you can learn to accept him.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)or especially a child over their political views unless they were full on stormfront members. Not sure what the poster was expecting from this thread its not the worst thing in the world for you to differ in politics from your kids or spouse or parents, you just dont let it become consuming.
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PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)My family is moving the opposite direction. I was kicked out of my parents place years ago for stating Bu$h/Cheney were war criminals. Took several years to enter the place again.
Now, after the housing collapse etc. they appear to be having the republican economic veil lifted away and moving left. They are nearing retirement, so it is nice to see the move.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I don't even know the politics of many people in my extended family. There is much, much more to life than politics. And if it reduces you to tears because someone close to you is romantically involved with someone who might vote for Romney, you should consider maybe spending less time on DU and more time in the real world.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)And in all honesty, the politics that will come out of this election could turn out to be in your face influential in your life. Imagine Romney getting rid of the Affordable Care Act, Family Planning, Legal Abortions and even the possibility of having Roe v. Wade overturned through nominating Right Wing Justices, eliminating all taxes for the rich and increasing taxes on the middle class, eliminating all regulations on businesses or the media, taking away all the gay community's newly won rights, rescinding the rights of young Latinos to pursue a legal education and to remain in this country, getting rid of Pell Grants or low interest student loans.
No one would be unaffected.
A little imagination should convince anyone that this isn't the time to drop politics and get a life.
edited to make my sentences easier to understand.
MJkcj
(242 posts)Rather than confront my child directly and risk alienating her, I posted here, thinking people would be empathetic. Give advice. Which they did. I appreciated their advice and didn't say anything to her about it. I love her and will always love her unconditionally. I did not say I was disowning her for christ sakes! I just worry. A mother worries.
BTW: The "someone close to me" is my DAUGHTER.... not "extended family". I don't know the politics of everyone in my extended family (cousins, nieces, nephews etc) but I do know the politics of my siblings, my husband and my children. we talk, we share things, politics is all around us. is not like its all we talk about but it is part of the conversation.
I guess my original post should have been "my heart is breaking, my daughter is being brainwashed by a conservative". maybe that would have been better.
I regret starting this thread. She & I spoke and all is fine. it was a misunderstanding. I did not give her enough credit for being the beautiful smart strong young woman I raised.
Now I will go back to the world of lurking and will not post again for 4 more years because people like you aggravate me
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)There is no need to stay away from DU because people like me aggravate you. You can put me, and everyone like me, on Ignore, and it will be like we don't exist.
MJkcj
(242 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....another poster who likes to tut tut people about how "we" need to be bigger than "them" at ALL times, or we're going to hell and lose the next election.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)But I agree with you on this.
If my daughter became a republican it would not change how I felt about her. If she married and fell in love with a repuke I would love her all the same and would lover her husband too as long as he treated well and loved her.
Not all of life is about politics.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)WHO WILL SHAPE AMERICAN FOR GENERATIONS TO COME was sort of important. By all means, show us how much, much more there is. Let's pick the next by "who you'd want to have a beer with".
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)To me they are actually a major part of a foundation of a close relationship.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Women are usually the one's who try to make the adjustments so their relationships can be congenial and workable. I think any woman who has been exposed all their lives to liberal ideas will eventually get very tired of a Republican for a mate. They really make lousy husbands and mates and they have a fundamental lack of empathy or sympathy.
You're her mother for life. He's someone she can and may eventually drop.
This is an election year so politics will be an important topic. But if Obama wins be prepared for him to get really pissy and whiny and then she can see him for what he is.
Or he may be a moderate Republican and a perfectly wonderful person.
MrsBrady
(4,187 posts)Say something like...
"I'm not saying this as your mother but as one smart woman to another.
If I had a girlfriend who seemed to change her beliefs just because of the man
she was with...I would have to say something because I would be worried
about her need to change who she is to be with said man. Do what you want
but its unsettling to see you settle."
Now...do this when you are alone or have a private moment as to
not embarrass her or anyone else. And I mean to say that this should be
said in a loving but factual tone.
Then say nothing more...at all. Believe me...she may
outwardly change nothing right away, but it will be
rolling around in her brain.
Just my two cents. I just think you should be honest with her.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)is the solution politics shouldn't change a parent child relationship
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)I don't get it, appeasing their man or falling for the BS and lies?
My best friend married a Republican and it took years, but she finally became one and voted for Bush.
We are no longer friends.
I was taking care of this 93 year old woman who voted GOP, but the more I talked to her, I said, you sound like a Dem. She used to be...I asked, did you become a R for your husband and she said yes.
I don't know what I do if it were my kid.
DemKittyNC
(743 posts)I am the exact opposite. I am the daughter in the family full of republicans who turned democrat. Well I have always been democrat in heart but this is the first year I am allowed to vote, so yay! Rmoney/Lyin 2012 here I come! .... oh wait hehehe
nmbluesky
(2,561 posts)If she is a republican. My realitve are also republican, my godfather is also republican. I only disagree with them. But I always love them as person. Keep in touch with her, I know you had heartbroken, she becomes to right wing. Hope she will realize republican would not good for an America and our people, she will be back.
JustAnotherGen
(31,783 posts)When he found out I voted for Pataki for Governor of NY - he made me sit at the children's table (I was 27 at the time) a few hours later for Thanksgiving dinner. that set me straight!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)at an early age.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)My extreme liberal phase of my late teens and early 20s didn't bother her a bit.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)lexx21
(321 posts)She married a <cringe> republican and now touts that she has "always" been a republican. Now her track record is as follows:
1) Used to work for the AFLCIO
2) Has always supported unions
3) Told my bio-dad that he would vote straight ticket Democrat (caused a divorce on that one)
4) Laughed saying at least Clinton could zip his own pants when asked about Dole
5) Campaigned for LBJ
Sounds like a republican at heart, right?
A lot of times those that we love fall from the golden path of truth due to whom they take as SO partners. While it can be fun to bait them into conversations to support their decisions, in the end we end up treating them like the slow kid in class. You just hope they don't pick their noses and wet themselves in front of company.
It was nothing that you did, but just part of her personality (wonderful as she may be) that causes her to "go with the flow", and in this case the flow comes from her conservative boyfriend. No pun intended with that....
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Tolerance goes both ways. I had to hear an acquaintance whine how intolerant the left was during the Chik fil a kerfuffle and unfortunately she was right although she's still an idiot; boy, I could post the things she's said and I'd be able to hear the laughter from here.
Save me the concern troll B.S. I've been on the left side before most of you were born.
marlakay
(11,432 posts)my younger daughter is being pulled slowly out of being a strong dem over the years into the world of republicans by her husband. He used to be a strong dem too but over years of being in the military and then working at Pentagon last 3 years that did it. I saw the change happen little by little but there was nothing I could do.
They know how I believe so would make little comments like, I guess you won't like this mom but
They just moved to CO and in just a few months away from Pentagon it is helping. (and Mitt Romney is helping) When I had them over last month they didn't like how Mitt changed his position and lied about everything.
Then my daughter told me she was going to vote for Obama again because the republicans were too far right
My son-n-law changed to Independent instead of republican
he admitted he was getting a lot of flack for being a dem and it wasn't helping his career track.
Meanwhile though my older daughter is a very strong dem and not afraid to speak out to her sister about it. She can say things I can't or won't, like your being stupid!
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Have to deal with entire extended family.
How they vote, think, how election results turn out -
Doesn't effect me in how I work for others, assist those in need or vote. Being in a war with relatives over politics is simply not an option.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)SWTORFanatic
(385 posts)My father was a hardcore conservative. My mom leaned liberal but was mostly apolitical.
I turned out liberal.
ctaylors6
(693 posts)are not very left or very right. I have found living in many parts of the country (and even overseas a little) that even many republicans are not all hypocritical evil people. Many are pretty moderate and very good people and citizens. GOP talking heads on TV and RNC delegates are not the average in my experience.
Also, as children grow in to adults I think it's natural and, in many ways admirable, to explore and consider other points of view. I think the people with the strongest convictions, especially rationally held ones, are those who have considered and thought about points of view other than those they grew up with.
I'm sure you raised her to have certain core beliefs that would keep her from turning into any extreme position. I know in my family there are people who vote R and other who vote D. When we talk about individual issues, we often aren't usually too far off. It's often just a matter of priority of issues and a matter of leaning a little more one way than the other. I personally think the problem with politics now is that no politicians, esp in Washington, ever want to even be seen as compromising with the other party or taking any kind of middle ground. When I was younger, the other side wasn't seen as so extreme or certainly as so outright evil.
My sister married into a very republican family. I think she's voted for a few republicans over the years, but even they had something in common with her beliefs. She never really changed her core beliefs.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)if Mitt wins. Then explain why you and daddy will need her share to survive, thanks to her voting republican.
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)Egalitariat
(1,631 posts)I don't care how he votes.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)It's scary how some people lose their sense of perspective.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)they help plow my drive, watch my kids when needed and generally look out for each other. sometimes people are good people regardless of political affiliation and not the extreme that they are painted as.
onenote
(42,610 posts)to her than her deciding to become politically conservative or get romantically involved with a conservative.
Its important to keep things in perspective.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)being conservative means being ultra-conservative (at least it is if you are voting). To parents it can feel like their child has joined a cult. And in many ways they have, if they are Fox/Rush Believers.
These ain't your daddy's conservatives. It changes the whole perspective.
onenote
(42,610 posts)I know plenty of republicans who would describe themselves as conservative, but who are not "cult-like" or "ultra-conservative." They don't like the direction their party is moving, but they are sticking with it.
And even if the OP's daughter became "ultra conservative", I stand by my opinion that in the great scheme of things, there are many much more heartbreaking things she could do or have happen to her. I know people who would trade having their daughter be politically conservative over what actually did happen to her.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)To "stick with" the Republican party now is to buy into an ultra-conservative, far right, brain-washed mindset. If a moderate conservative doesn't understand what's really happening to their party, then how can they make an informed decision? Why would they "stick with" a negative, backward, authoritarian (tending to totalitarian) agenda?
After the Bush disaster, they'd have to be either 1) rich exploiters--or 2) brain-dead-- to continue to vote R.
Once I would have agreed that there are worse disasters. Now, it's clearly a huge divide. The choice may seal all of our fates. So if one of my children became an ultra conservative, I would consider it a tragedy and agonize over where & how they had gone wrong. It would be like they became a Moonie. Now you might say that the parent should overlook it, but I say we have all overlooked FAR too much in this cold civil war.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Otherwise it would just cause rifts.
My mother has become increasingly Right wing, well so is her sisters any how, but I attribute it to being caught up in the religious movement, particularly the born again and evangelist ways.
This was merely excacerbated when my father died, since my father was actually a Democrat and further left than I am. I being an Independent. I for one tend to look at most issues in as many angles as possible. The issue I have with Republicans is how they parrot a talking point and don't bother looking to check if the facts back it up.
However, us as her kids, I think I may actually be the 2nd least left leaning. Heck, out of my siblings I am the only one who is not an actual fan of Obama. Though I voted for him and am supporting him, and actually volunteered in phone calling... So yes, I can vote for someone I don't like depending on the situation.
Either way, politics we do not discuss with our mother just because she has a set position which will not move, no matter the given proof otherwise, she will just rationalize it in another way. So, to keep drama at a minimum, politics is left away.
I am very very thankful that I have no FB or Twitter account. There is a reason I don't go in to those things.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The best way to prevent the daughter from going to the dark side is to bring her boyfriend to ours.
She's still your daughter.
Are you going to hate her now?
Take this time to educate her with the facts.
atreides1
(16,067 posts)But you still have three beautiful daughters, but only two who are intelligent!
ladjf
(17,320 posts)Are you really so narrowminded that you would allow politics to come between you and your family, friends and neighbors? That's freakin ridiculous.
I am married to a conservative woman, my son is a libertarian and my daughter is a Republican. My extended family are Republicans and Democrats, a few conservatives, one far righty and thankfully no far lefty.
You should stop judging your daughter by the ridiculous far-left stereotypes of Republicans and respect her for the woman she is. Different personal beliefs and all.
Great Caesars Ghost
(532 posts)she is either with the progressive cause or an enemy. If she chooses the latter then disown her.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)them.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)I am the only Democrat and liberal in my family. Also I'm an atheist and my parents are church goers. Still, my parents wouldn't think about disowning me. That would be horrible thing to do.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)At that point her views really aren't any of your business.