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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:13 AM Sep 2012

ROMNEY ADVISERS: WE'RE LOSING

By JIM VANDEHEI and MIKE ALLEN | 9/8/12 8:28 PM EDT

President Barack Obama heads out of the national political conventions with a much clearer path to winning, top advisers to Mitt Romney privately concede.

The Romney campaign, while pleasantly surprised by Obama’s lackluster prime-time performance, said the post-convention bounce they hoped for fell well short of expectations and privately lament that state-by-state polling numbers — most glaringly in Ohio — are working in the president’s favor.

“Their map has many more routes to victory,” said a top Republican official. Two officials intimately involved in the GOP campaign said Ohio leans clearly in Obama’s favor now, with a high single-digit edge, based on their internal tracking numbers of conservative groups. Romney can still win the presidency if he loses Ohio, but it’s extremely difficult.

The Obama and Romney campaigns anticipate little movement in national polls before the first debate on Oct. 3, which both see as the most important day of this campaign. They also see eye-to-eye on their belief the election will come down to whether Romney can persuade voters he understands the problems of ordinary people and that his solutions are at least marginally better for turning things around economically.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/80949.html#ixzz25wUyc457

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ROMNEY ADVISERS: WE'RE LOSING (Original Post) kpete Sep 2012 OP
Fucking weasel words alcibiades_mystery Sep 2012 #1
It's their new meme. GoCubsGo Sep 2012 #4
Vandehei pretty much stated the same meme on Real Time. I'll bet it pained him to have to.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #12
He is an ASSHOLE!!! On Real Time he was so predictively a complete DICK!!! n/t winstars Sep 2012 #13
"A complete dick" sounds about right, and highly descriptive. I wasn't impressed with the panel. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #14
Nah, he's just foreskin--he's not big enough to be a complete dick n/t lastlib Sep 2012 #31
omg lol MFM008 Sep 2012 #33
"YOU ARE CORRECT SIR" n/t winstars Sep 2012 #35
meh. they're the same people who pushed Ann's charm offensive magical thyme Sep 2012 #19
Oh, but she was Mitt's "secret weapon"! Didn't you know that? CTyankee Sep 2012 #40
given how much time he spends with said foot lodged in his mouth, he's lucky magical thyme Sep 2012 #42
What a bomb she has been! Unbeileavably BAD! CTyankee Sep 2012 #43
They flunk journalism 101 treestar Sep 2012 #21
and their guy gave a barn burner.... WCGreen Sep 2012 #29
A much clearer path to winning...What a beautiful phrase! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2012 #2
...AND win the down-ticket races!!!! lastlib Sep 2012 #32
"lackluster prime-time performance"? Gee, it seemed plenty marybourg Sep 2012 #3
WHAT!? Oh, that's right..it's Politico.. Cha Sep 2012 #5
How in the hell can romney... CoffeeCat Sep 2012 #6
I one point I disagree with you.... magical thyme Sep 2012 #17
honestly, I thought the auto bailout was wrong too Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #23
they plan to win Ohio by keeping people from voting 0rganism Sep 2012 #28
Do you believe that the recent rulings in Ohio... CoffeeCat Sep 2012 #38
They may be using this to fire up their base hoping that hatred of Obama will be enough. n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #7
More like BLACKluster, am I right?? Qutzupalotl Sep 2012 #8
I would think the difference in the treatment of our troops would push a lot of people to Booster Sep 2012 #9
"High single digit edge" = 7 points or higher/Obama's speech had higher ratings then Rombot Jennicut Sep 2012 #10
“Their map has many more routes to victory,” (translation = Cheat like we did before) nt Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #11
That's what I think. defacto7 Sep 2012 #15
more likely they'll focus downticket and block Obama for 4 more years magical thyme Sep 2012 #18
Do you ever think they ran these losers because they didn't want the Presidency? Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #24
absolutely. magical thyme Sep 2012 #25
The jobs forecast for 2013... CoffeeCat Sep 2012 #39
meh again. Companies make final hiring/firing decisions based on magical thyme Sep 2012 #41
No worries, mate. ScarlettOhara Sep 2012 #16
"the election will come down to whether Romney can persuade voters" BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #20
If trailing, take advantage by lowering expections then making any comeback seem impressive Coyotl Sep 2012 #22
no Mitt, you are wrong. YOU ALREADY LOST, don't let the door hit your botox forehead graham4anything Sep 2012 #26
You could see it in all the republican talking heads this morning liberal N proud Sep 2012 #27
yeah, why don't you just take a couple of weeks off, may help you and you're good at it! Your Cngrs lonestarnot Sep 2012 #30
Obama's lackluster primt-time performance? lunatica Sep 2012 #34
Obama’s lackluster prime-time performance???????? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #36
kick bigtree Sep 2012 #37
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
1. Fucking weasel words
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:16 AM
Sep 2012

"The Romney campaign, while pleasantly surprised by Obama’s lackluster prime-time performance, said..."

Wait, did Obama have a "lackluster prime-time performance?" Was that an opinion put forth by the Romney advisors? Is that the journalists opinion? Is this a news article? Who taught these people how to write sentences?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
12. Vandehei pretty much stated the same meme on Real Time. I'll bet it pained him to have to....
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:56 AM
Sep 2012

write this article, that probably explains the "lackluster" dig. Peggy Noonan started with that characterization, and the rest have run with it.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
14. "A complete dick" sounds about right, and highly descriptive. I wasn't impressed with the panel.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:59 AM
Sep 2012

I like Vandenheuval, but she needs to shout more, when the guys interrupt and make false claims.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
19. meh. they're the same people who pushed Ann's charm offensive
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:19 AM
Sep 2012

because it never dawned on them that she would come across as truly offensive.

If Obama's speech seemed lackluster to them, it's only because it followed Michelle's and Bill's speeches. They are incapable of weighing it on its own merit and whether it did what needed to be done.

CTyankee

(63,902 posts)
40. Oh, but she was Mitt's "secret weapon"! Didn't you know that?
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:22 PM
Sep 2012

They weaponized her, all right. Only the weapon shot them in the foot...

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
42. given how much time he spends with said foot lodged in his mouth, he's lucky
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:51 PM
Sep 2012

she didn't blow his head off!

marybourg

(12,620 posts)
3. "lackluster prime-time performance"? Gee, it seemed plenty
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:19 AM
Sep 2012

lustrous to me (yeah, Spell Check says that's how it's spelled. Looks wrong to me too)

Cha

(297,137 posts)
5. WHAT!? Oh, that's right..it's Politico..
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:22 AM
Sep 2012

"The Romney campaign, while pleasantly surprised by Obama’s lackluster prime-time performance, said the post-convention bounce they hoped for fell well short of expectations and privately lament that state-by-state polling numbers — most glaringly in Ohio — are working in the president’s favor."

"Politico in All-out MELTDOWN Over DNC Convention? (updated)"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021301509

Who got the convention bounce and what convention was Lackluster? Hmmm?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
6. How in the hell can romney...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:30 AM
Sep 2012

...lament about Ohio? How in the hell did they ever think they could win there?

Romney came out and said, "Let GM fail!". Romney also wrote a blustery WSJ op-Ed about why Obama was wrong on the auto bailout.

Everyone in Ohio knows that the auto bailout helped Ohio and saved jobs. Romney was dead wrong and Obama was practically prescient.

Romney was never going to win Ohio because the state serves as a reminder that Romney really doesn't know what the hell he is doing when it comes to the economy.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
17. I one point I disagree with you....
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:02 AM
Sep 2012

"...the state serves as a reminder that Romney really doesn't know what the hell he is doing when it comes to the economy."

That's a best case scenario.

It is equally possible that Romney knows exactly what he is doing on the economy, and saw the failing auto industry as the mother of all leveraged buyout opportunities for his cronies.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
23. honestly, I thought the auto bailout was wrong too
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:47 AM
Sep 2012

Fortunately, I was wrong about that.

You can't deny that the economy of that part of the country is better directly as a result. I guess some people are just gifted with a certain insight that the rest of us don't have.

0rganism

(23,942 posts)
28. they plan to win Ohio by keeping people from voting
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:09 PM
Sep 2012

Their plan is fairly simple to figure out, really. If it works, they'll win Pennsylvania too.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
38. Do you believe that the recent rulings in Ohio...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:12 PM
Sep 2012

...that mandate early voting--will help to thwart Republican voter-suppression efforts?

I agree with you wholeheartedly. These unpopular bastards can win an election without cheating, because their ideas are so unpopular and absurd. I think they'll try to cheat all over the map.

However, I think the recent court ruling--which forced early voting in all counties is definitely a victory. I think their nefarious efforts in Ohio are severely hampered now.

I have heard that PA is a huge mess, with so many outrageous ID requirements.

Makes you sick doesn't it?

Qutzupalotl

(14,301 posts)
8. More like BLACKluster, am I right??
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:51 AM
Sep 2012

Sure, Clinton outshone him, but Obama's performance was far better than Romney's. Romney will always come off as imperious, but Obama is far more real sounding. That's a better tone considering the jobs numbers are lower than we need them, though far better than four years ago. So with our arguments we must have won the independents. We have the momentum. We just need to win big in Ohio so they can't tamper with enough votes.

Booster

(10,021 posts)
9. I would think the difference in the treatment of our troops would push a lot of people to
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:10 AM
Sep 2012

Pres. Obama. Rmoney planned his speech and left them out, then later said it wasn't important enough for him to talk about it. That should sink him right there.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
10. "High single digit edge" = 7 points or higher/Obama's speech had higher ratings then Rombot
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:22 AM
Sep 2012

They are in trouble without Ohio. Obama's speech and entire convention was pretty seamless (besides the stupid hand wringing with the platform). Lots of good speeches and Michelle, VP Biden, Clinton and President Obama were all better then Romney, Ryan, Queen Anne and the rest of the Repub idiots.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
18. more likely they'll focus downticket and block Obama for 4 more years
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:05 AM
Sep 2012

and then Rove can run his bff Jeb and the takeover will be complete.

We need to be focusing on the congressional and local seats as much as, if not more than, the presidency.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
24. Do you ever think they ran these losers because they didn't want the Presidency?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 04:45 PM
Sep 2012

Culpable deniability, I think it's called. Well, we ran for the office, but these people were too extreme. So they throw these guys on under the bus to keep us busy while they focus down ticket.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
25. absolutely.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:01 PM
Sep 2012

The economy is still on the brink and they want to bring it down for good and blame it on the black guy. Then they can run Jeb in 2016 as the "rational" one.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
39. The jobs forecast for 2013...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:14 PM
Sep 2012

...is fairly positive. Apparently 3 million jobs will be added, no matter who is President. I think it's important that we are at the helm when this happens. I hope that we gain houses in the House and Senate, so we can finally get things done. They can blame Obama all they want, but they made his efforts impossible.

I'd like to see a Democratic sweep. If we don't get 'er done, then let the Republicans have it in 2016.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
41. meh again. Companies make final hiring/firing decisions based on
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:49 PM
Sep 2012

quarterly results. 3 million jobs will be added if and only if companies believe there will be sufficient demand to support them. In fact, lately only if they already have more demand than current overworked staff can deliver.

ScarlettOhara

(25 posts)
16. No worries, mate.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 07:30 AM
Sep 2012

"... the election will come down to whether Romney can persuade voters he understands the problems of ordinary people ..."
Obama wins!

BumRushDaShow

(128,842 posts)
20. "the election will come down to whether Romney can persuade voters"
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:25 AM
Sep 2012

The man has been campaigning for President since at least 2007. If he hasn't "persuaded voters" by now (outside of literally paying them to vote for him), it's never gonna happen. Period.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
22. If trailing, take advantage by lowering expections then making any comeback seem impressive
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:36 AM
Sep 2012

Lots of posturing and spin like this reminds me of Bush v. Gore, when the Bush team made sure expectations were low.

There guy sure needed it to look like he shined any at all

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
26. no Mitt, you are wrong. YOU ALREADY LOST, don't let the door hit your botox forehead
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:03 PM
Sep 2012

or as Roy Orbison sang

it's over it's over it's over
IT'S OVER!!!

and the expectations are so high for Mitt in that first debate, and he is a horrible debater, whereas President Obama is a Master DeBater (nyuk nyuk nyuk)

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
27. You could see it in all the republican talking heads this morning
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:05 PM
Sep 2012

Numbers are out and they are not even in the ball park. They are losing.

They will spin this thing all the way to the election that Romney can still win Ohio or Florida or name the state. But facts are facts and they are losing.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
30. yeah, why don't you just take a couple of weeks off, may help you and you're good at it! Your Cngrs
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:13 PM
Sep 2012

shows us that every other week.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
36. Obama’s lackluster prime-time performance????????
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:14 PM
Sep 2012

What did I miss???

So glad to hear Ohio is leaning, it is such a key state.
Now we need Fla.

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