I don't think Trump understands he lost the election last night

[SiliconValley_Dem]

So begins the long slow anticlimax and denouement before Biden admin.

[tman]

1. 1 month is a lifetime in politics...

Trump has 8 lifetimes left. He will be tough to beat.

[Awsi Dooger]

25. And he's not even trailing

That's the flabbergasting aspect of pronouncements like this. It is a 50/50 race in the betting markets and with many formulas that gauge probability.

Nobody should underestimate incumbency, especially when the party has held power only one term. Hispanics in particular always allow considerable benefit of a doubt to the incumbent, no matter what the related issues look like.

[stopbush]

28. Nope. He's going to lose in a landslide. Not tough to beat at all.

[hangaleft]

43. I'll believe it when I see it

But, that’s what I’m hoping for. I don’t want Trump to lose. I want him to be trounced.

He’ll still win Alabama and Arkansas and Mississippi, etc., no matter what he does or doesn’t do or say.

But I want to see him demolished in States like PA, OH, WI and MI. And I want him to lose FL by a wide margin.

And I want him to lose States like NY, CA, OR, WA, NJ, etc. 70-30.

I want him to be humiliated and slink away as the worst president this country has ever had.

[Sherman A1]

61. Agreed

I will only believe it then and not before.

[democrattotheend]

40. I agree

We made the mistake of underestimating him in 2016. Nobody should make that mistake again.

So far his poll numbers haven't been affected much if at all.

[kurtcagle]

57. Maybe too soon to tell.

Trump's approval numbers have dropped on 538 to 41.5 or thereabouts from nearly 45 a month ago, and CV has only just begun affected the south and midwest.

That and the stockmarket rout hit two different constituencies. The stock market hit the pocketbook Republicans, the ones who vote their wallet. CV hits the evangelicals, who are happy when those Godless Democrats are called to their maker, but get much more shaken when it's God-fearin' folk doing the dying. As it penetrates inland look for those numbers to fall.

[BamaRefugee]

2. It's all up to Putin. He's had 4 years of unrestricted planning. 2016 was just a warmup.

[John Fante]

14. Putin couldn't rig the midterms or swing the primaries for Bernie.

If anything, Russia's shenanigans hurt Bernie.

He isn't the unstoppable force people make him out to be.

[BamaRefugee]

21. Of course he didn't. He's waiting for the main event. Why tip his hand?

[John Fante]

24. Suuuurrrre, that's it. 5D chess and all that, right?

Give me a break.

[BamaRefugee]

29. Russians excel at chess.

[John Fante]

30. Trump's not winning re-election, no matter how badly Putin wants it.

If Putin were truly a chessmaster, his country wouldn't be the economic joke of Europe.

[RockRaven]

3. He's going to destroy America in every imaginable way as he flails around and tries to

keep that (election loss) from happening. Every time he speaks or acts to try to regain control over the news cycle he makes it worse. And he's totally unwilling to admit that to himself or others.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

5. You nailed it. What pain must be wrought before PTB pull the plug on this failure

[CTyankee]

59. Your mouth to God's ear, SiliconValley__Dem!

I'm watching that debate with some popcorn tonight!

[sarcasmo]

22. Trump will finish off his 7th bankruptcy before November.

[ooky]

4. He probably still thinks he's going to be dictator for life

and just hasn't told us yet.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

6. The real pain hasn't even been felt yet. This is life changing what we're headed for

[BigmanPigman]

15. Putin just became president for life so he laid the ground work

for the fucking moron to do the same, or at least try.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142445087

[Aquaria]

56. It's much--much--harder to get around the 22nd Amendment

Than what can happen in the feckless Russian "government."

There's a reason we have only 27 Amendments to the Constitution in 229 years, and it will take amending the Constitution to let him stay in power more than two terms. It's nearly impossible to amend the Constitution when you need 2/3rds of each legislative house to pass the proposal and then get 37 states to agree to it. Do you see Pelosi's House even letting that shit fly? I don't, so the issue is moot on that score.

The only alternative is a Constitutional Convention, and we've never had one of those. Won't have one at this point in time, either. The reason 2018 was such a great year for Ds is that we now have 24 governors who will never submit the Constitutional Convention proposals to their legislatures--the first hurdle that has to be cleared to proceed with amending the Constitution via that route. So it's dead from that angle, too.

And he doesn't even get to stay in office if he loses this year, either. If he tries it, there are security protocols in place to remove his sorry ass from the White House. I knew one of the Marines who stood guard outside the Oval Office. He said they do regular drills to prepare for just such a scenario as a voted-out POTUS who refuses to leave. As he put it when I asked what would have happened if a POTUS refused to leave the White House: "He'd get jacked up and then have his ass hauled to jail."

Because once the transfer of power takes place--and that will not be stopped once Congress certifies the results and the new POTUS sworn in, the ex-President who refuses to leave White House grounds would at that moment become a trespasser and national security threat.

And treated accordingly. I realize that the treasonous fat scumbag is really stupid, but I have no doubt that one of his kids has just enough sense bouncing in their empty heads to convince him to leave without a fuss rather than have the new leader's Justice Department throwing the book at him. They're stupid, but they have an unerring instinct for self-preservation and avoiding jail. They'll slink away like the coward filth they are.

[BigmanPigman]

58. I wish Bill Maher would read this.

On every show he says that tRump won't leave office and will somehow get to stay due to his enablers.

[efhmc]

7. We have a long way to go and a lot of work to do before that happens.

The repugs are not going to go down easily. There still are lots of DJT supporters around who will cheat and fight to the finish.

[HarlanPepper]

8. As I have wondered

when do the people behind the scenes who are bleeding fortunes decide he can’t win. Who will be the first to stab Caesar?

(Metaphorically speaking of course)

[zipplewrath]

16. NYSE

Basically the investors will abandon him if they think Joe will do better.

[HarlanPepper]

20. I'm not talking about investors

I’m talking about the super elite, people who have enormous wealth and in a united front could have him removed and replaced by someone else in a desperate move to try and save their hold on the presidency. They won’t care what his mouth breather cult thinks about it. Their first and only concern is their money.

[Skittles]

9. he still has Putin, and a lot of STUPID Americans

UGH

[SiliconValley_Dem]

10. He'll have a lot less stupid Americans this fall

[Skittles]

11. will he?

the MAGAt crowd seems to have become a big cult

[SiliconValley_Dem]

12. By virtue of falling at the hands of COVID

[Brainfodder]

55. Yeah the Fox New sheep will lose bigger #'s?

We are probably going to lose 6% of the population over the next year or two, from just this virus, meanwhile all the other deaths and I gather some categories will go up and some down as this drags on.

To lessen it, we need less dumb SOBs per hospital at any given time, a flood of patients will cause a large chunk of these deaths.... not having enough equipment for all the messed up LUNGS!

So.... most deaths will be in BIG CITIES and those in BFE will have access hurdles of their own!

Bonus, I expect suicides to go up drastically, guns playing a role, of course they will.
Yes, not all bonuses in life are good.

It feels surreal at the moment, and I am just not looking forward to tomorrow, I am focused ahead now, this in the now sucks.

Good luck!

If I lived rural and had the means, I'd probably rent a room a hell of a lot closer to lifesaving facilities as soon as I show signs of anything OFF in the respiratory dept/rude-19's list of symptoms?

[uponit7771]

13. +1

[ibegurpard]

17. Partisanship has hardened too much

Republicans and right leaners are going to stick with him no matter what. They just are. I've seen nothing in the past 4 years to make me think otherwise. We cannot be complacent and MUST turn out everyone else. And THAT i am confident we can do based on all of the elections since 2016. But we can't take anything for granted.

[Ms. Toad]

18. Don't get cocky. That's part of why we have him in the first place.

No one believed he would win, so some (1) didn't vote or (2) voted for a third party candidate to send a message to presumptive President Clinton.

[SKKY]

19. I don't think he did.

And given the fact that the three choices to run the country are all pushing 80, a Biden, Trump, or Sanders administration isn’t a given either.

[herding cats]

23. He most definitely hasn't yet.

He has his base and exterior (Russian) forces in his pocket still. Much will be ballyhooed by them before November.

He knows his assets, even if he doesn't fully understand his hindrances.

[Midnight Writer]

26. If I had a dollar for every time I thought Trump was finished, I'd be rich enough to vote Republican

[SunSeeker]

27. I wish we could speed that up before 3% of us die, and the rest of us lose our savings.

[Raine]

31. Don't be so sure

I think I've heard that every month or so since he took office.

[Indykatie]

32. In This Environment Anything Can Happen so I'm Cautiously Optimistic That We Can Get Biden Elected

Bernie and his camp will not make it easy. If he stays in past the next round of primaries on March 17 it will speak volumes about his intentions. He's losing some states by 40+ points to Biden but he may still stay in, campaign and continue to fund raise because of bad advice from Weaver and others close to him.

[Texin]

33. Oh, I think he knows. He's trying to fugure out how to cheat out a *win*.

That is, if he is still alive to stand for reelection then. And truly, don't pooh pooh the idea that he'd cancel it altogether. He is that sick and that malevolent.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

34. We didn't cancel elections for WW1 or WW2 or 9/11 or Spanish Flu

He has no leg to stand on re: canceling elections. That would inspire popular revolt of a kind he’s never seen in this country.

[Aquaria]

53. He has no power to cancel the elections

Only Congress decides when federal elections will take place, including if a delay can happen. Pelosi will not let that ugly, worthless psychopath try to slime his way into preventing the country from voting.

States are then in charge of conducting the elections. California, New York and all the other blue states will let people crawl over glass to vote against this worthless monster.

That's why the election will take place on 3 November, as planned.

[Caliman73]

35. Nice thought. Don't hurt yourself popping those champagne corks...

Things do not look good for Trump and he is showing himself to be incompetent as many of us have known for a long time. The problem is that he still has a base of supporters and a whole media system that is actively pushing his narrative.

The mainstream media also continues to promote the situation as the horse race so our own perception can be very different from what people who are not on DU daily or active in politics are holding.

Trump is running against government. When the "government" bungles a response like this, people don't necessarily say, "the president sucks". They look at the local people and if you have a whole segment of the media saying that it is "the bureaucrats" and that Trump is being unfairly attacked, people may buy into it.

We need to continue working to place the proper blame where it lays, with Trump. Keep fighting. Don't celebrate early.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

36. The market and financial systems will continue to implode

Deaths from Coronavirus will skyrocket.

[Caliman73]

37. That is a possibility. There is also a possibility that things turn around or stabilize.

Not because of any of Trump's efforts but because of the efforts of the many wonderful leaders in State and local governments, because of the efforts of medical professionals, and maybe just some luck.

I hate to be cynical, but people have a short memory. If there is a lull in cases around election time and the economy is not too far gone, there is still a chance that Trump will be around. With fears of the virus, voter turnout can be depressed as well, which would favor Trump.

The point is that we cannot simply celebrate Trump's demise. We have to keep working to make sure he is held accountable and that we have something and someone to vote for, not just against. Voting against someone, doesn't usually translate into actually getting out to vote.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

38. Agreed. But this is orders of magnitude above Romney's 47%

And that stayed with him for months

[Caliman73]

39. True.

I actually hope that what you said earlier is true. I think that Trump needs to be out of office for the future of this country.


The difference with Romney is that he never had a lot of energy behind his campaign. He was the safe, Republican establishment candidate who shared their views and had a "respectable" persona (even though he didn't). When he said the 47% thing and his "binders of women" he showed the "ugly face" of the party and it did stick to him. He turned off a lot of people.

Trump has done so much more than that. He has ripped the mask off of conservatism as an ideology. He is cruel and vulgar. He is everything that is wrong about Capitalism. BUT. He has held on to a base of support that will not leave him no matter what. He has the GOP afraid of saying or doing anything against him, not because he is a tough guy, but because he has that base of people who are quite literally, brainwashed.

I think that for Trump to actually be guaranteed to lose, the situation as it is now with people getting sick and the economy tanking, has to be going on during the time of the election. For me that creates a significant moral and ethical dilemma. I want Trump to lose and be forever known as a failure, but I do not want that to happen on the backs of my fellow citizens getting sick, dying, or having their financial lives ruined.

[louis-t]

41. I think he will try to have a presser every day.

He will get more and more desperate to prove he is on top of it and never said it was a hoax. He is losing the narrative.

[Skittles]

42. Trump is at his most dangerous right now

yup

[C Moon]

44. Nope. The GOP is always at work using the latest news to win. Don't be fooled!

[Captain Stern]

45. I don't think trump even understands last night was Friday night.

But, I'm not going to minimize his chances for being reelected.

He's got supporters out there that don't even believe the coronavirus exists.

[USALiberal]

46. You are way too confident! nt

[Chainfire]

47. Trump will use

Every hook, every crook, will pull out every stop, and by election time, he will have made Biden appear to be the most evil, incompetent man to ever live. If that doesn't work, he will work to destroy the election process before and after the election. This man is not going to go quietly into that good night, but will have to be dragged out, kicking and screaming. Trump has an election team that is out of reach of American justice; there is nothing to hold back foreign influence.

He has a solid 40% base, he only needs to convince 11% of the remaining people. By election day, the present crisis will have been forgotten. Unless hundreds of thousands of Americans die, Trump will use the numbers to prove that he was right all along, that this was not a big deal and was blown all out of proportion, and that will prove he is a genius. Unless we are deep in recession, he will claim that he was right about the economy.

We have to remain focused and not assume that Trump has been, or will be weakened by the virus crisis. We are going to have to work like never before to get this despot out of office. It will be an uphill struggle.

[Dopers_Greed]

48. I wouldn't count him out yet

He is still extremely popular with his base, and swing voters in critical states.

Once this is all over, he will certainly take credit for stopping it. I could see his approval ratings shoot up.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

49. We shall see. I think it is quickly becoming apparent. Timing of St Patrick's and Spring Break

Is not going to help with the exponential growth

[rockfordfile]

50. That won't work. Trump is the reason the virus has spread. It's a tattoo on Trump

[Dream Girl]

51. Agree. He his stupid but cagey and very, very lucky.

[napi21]

54. Yes he's still very popular with the peopled who never left him likely never will.

HOWEVER, he's lost the voters who hated Hillary so chose him instead. There's also a group of votes who stayed home rather than vote for her. There's also There's also 6 more months till the election, and DT is doing EVERYTHNG to piss off a group of people every day! It seems to me it's a diff. group every day! Up to about a month or so ago, I wondered how people would respond if some crises occurred. During most crises the people turn to support their President. (Remember 911?) My question was answered when this virus surfaced. He screwed it up like most everything else he does, and other than the cultist, are holding it against him!

It will be a hard fought election, but I think Joe will pull off a win.

[bucolic_frolic]

60. That makes him Rump Trump

History provides many similar examples of using the word Rump