We are so F**KED.

[sheshe2]

Donnie stated the buck does not stop with him. Whined that it is not his fault. Lied when he said he/they acted quickly. They knew in January and did nothing. This is March and they just woke from their stupor. We still have no tests. We are a week or so away from Italy, today alone 250 more deaths. Doctors in Italy are make a choice of who lives or dies, they have no choice, they can't treat them all. The hospitals there are near collapse.

They have not addressed the long term lung damage for those that actually survive. I read your lungs look like crushed glass.

As I said, we are fucked. Don hid this in plain sight so he could win reelection.

I went to have blood work done today for my yearly exam. Half way there I got a message from my doctor. My appointment needed to be cancelled unless I had a critical health issue. They don't want the healthy in with the sick. I rerouted to the market because I just don't have much on hand. The market was mobbed, no parking or carts, I left. Went to the market down the street, same deal. Finally went to my in town market and was shocked. Shelves striped bare. No pasta. No sauce. No bread. No paper products cleaning products. Freeze section a graveyard.

Oh boy. Panic buying. As I said we are F**KED!

[2naSalit]

1. That's what I found in town today...

although it was mostly dry goods, plenty of sauces and soups but not TP or paper towels or pasta.

[sheshe2]

8. My store was frightening.

I have never seen anything like it.

[2naSalit]

28. Same here.

usually it's the water that's gone but there was plenty.

This is just a normal sized small town grocery store and there were people from two other counties there clearing the shelves.

Now I see I forgot a couple other things but I think I'll go tomorrow. We're on the edge of a big winter storm, it's payday for the folks on the two week pay schedule so they were all shopping, many with two carts each. The ladies in front of me at the checkout are from town and said they didn't recognized anyone in there. I saw two people that I recognized. It was my normal shopping hour when nobody is there and it was packed, almost couldn't find a place to park either.

Crazy.

[GoCubsGo]

51. Yep. All that plus a run on CHEESE.

Cheese? WTF? I made my usual Saturday morning AM run to Aldi and Publix. 7:30 AM, and Publix already had 3 times the normal shoppers. Couldn't get through half the aisles due to shelf stockers. Aldi was a zoo, too. Most weeks, I'm only one of a half dozen customer in the store--if that I go there for produce. I had to wait on them to re-stock most of it. Got the last dozen eggs. Crazy. I'm glad I started preparing back in January for this shit.

[radical noodle]

2. I'm considering cancelling some non-essential

doctor check-ups this month and next. It's good to know that you were told to postpone... it tells me what I should do. Just the idea of being in an eye clinic with a bunch of other oldsters is making me queasy.

DH and I stocked up two weeks ago when this wasn't quite such a big deal. We still go to the grocery, but only for fresh produce and that sort of thing. Our stores here are beginning to be restocked. If you lived close, I would happily share with you... even the toilet paper!

[sheshe2]

9. I really did not want to be in that office today.

Glad I got cancelled.

I stocked up on can goods a few weeks ago. Yet out of things like cheese and yogurt.

I have a 94 year old that I am doing home care for. I am trying to limit exposure.

Thanks Rad!!!!

[radical noodle]

47. Much love to you!

Stay well. I know it's difficult when doing home care for the elderly. DH did it for his mom and there's little that's more challenging.

[Different Drummer]

23. I have already canceled one doctor's appointment for next week.

There is a second one that I'm considering canceling. I have lung damage and don't need COVID-19 making it worse!

[radical noodle]

50. There's no need to take an unnecessary chance

particularly if you have an underlying condition. Stay well.

[guillaumeb]

3. Recommended.

We went to shop today, partly to avoid the Saturday crowds. The store was crowded. Hundreds of shoppers, none wearing masks, all in close proximity to one another.

During a crisis, true leaders rise to the occasion.

[UpInArms]

4. In which state do you live, sheshe?

Stay safe, my friend

[sheshe2]

10. I am in Masachuesetts.

UpInArms, I would not be so concerned if it was just me. I do homecare for a 94 year old mom. If I bring it home, she dies.

Thanks, I will try.

[UpInArms]

12. Take care ...

For you and your mom

[sheshe2]

15. I thank you.

[trof]

18. My daughter and family are in Melrose.

Near Boston.
Are you near there?

[sheshe2]

19. I am west of Boston.

The burbs.

We have the best of the best hospitals in Boston. Yet they are not enough for this.

[jpak]

52. My nephew is doing his residency in B-town

You are in safe hands!

[sheshe2]

53. Good to hear, jpak.

[Croney]

33. I'm in Cambridge and my daughter is in Arlington.

Good luck to us all.

[Flaleftist]

5. It's going to be a lot worse than it had to be.

There is no excuse for this testing debacle. As soon as it was obvious China was dealing with a serious problem, plans should have been made and set into motion to have testing centers ready. Then you have the GOP blocking the emergency paid leave bill. A lot more people are going to die because of their malice, incompetence, and doing what they thought was in their self-interest instead of what was in the best interest of the people.

[Initech]

17. Can we have more than one impeachment trial?

He got off the hook for the Russian meddling. But can this be his undoing? Can it? I have a feeling the next two weeks are going to be a living nightmare.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. "When your opponent is committing a blunder, keep out of the way". He trumped himself with Six Words

An impeachment trial would the wrong strategy. Wobbly middle would rally around him under banner of "Don't change horses in mid-stream".

He done himself in. Six Words.

Unfortunately, we are stuck with him until Jan 2021 unless he resigns sooner. His ego is so large he wouldn't contemplate resigning unless faced with a record-challenging defeat. He'd rather quit than be a big loser. A DU member said resigning is the political equivalent of bankruptcy, which he is acquainted with.

[A HERETIC I AM]

46. He LIKES being president. He's no bloody good at it, but he likes doing it....

Of that there can be no doubt.

Notice how often he flies on AF1? It’s almost every fucking day. Finding actual hours he flies is not easy, but I would bet that in the 3 years he has held the office, he has put more hours on Marine 1 and Air Force 1 than Obama did in his entire 8 years. If not, its fucking closing in fast.

A significant amount of the time he interacts with the press is when he stops to talk to the “gaggle” on his way walking to Marine One on the South Lawn.

HE. FUCKING. LOVES. BEING. PRESIDENT.

It is a role he is playing. A role in which he has found that he gets to write the script, do the editing and control the lighting and post production as much as he possibly can. It infuriates him when things spiral out of his control. According to numerous sources and books, he goes ballistic when he feels he is being made to look bad. His skin is thinner than the film between layers of an onion.

That’s why when things like this come along, he feels absolutely ZERO shame or problem with blaming someone else.

He is utterly incapable of taking or assuming blame for ANYTHING. It’s always someone else’s fault, NEVER HIS, and if you have the temerity to question him about it, you’re asking a “Nasty Question”.

Donald Trump is currently living out his ultimate dream; To be in charge and to do what he wants and get away with just about anything. He gets to fly anywhere he wants, on a whim, on the worlds ultimate private jet - a fucking fleet of them in fact, and while doing so, he has a shitload of people who are required to address him with more dignity and respect than he has ever been able to command in his private life. He absolutely ADORES the fact that people call him “Sir” as a default, thinking he somehow deserves it, instead of it simply being the trappings of the Presidency.

If he gets re-elected, and that is a DISTINCT possibility, this country is fucking doomed, plain and simple. We will devolve into a conservative Utopia, which means basically FUCK YOU to anyone not making a quarter million a year or more, screw your healthcare, your vagina is a factory and you had better learn to live with it, you will worship the approved god and if you talk back to anyone with a gun and a badge, you get what’s coming to you, so help me god bless ‘Merica

If he is defeated in November, it will take this country decades to undo the damage he and McConnell have done.

Decades. If we survive it, that is.

[smirkymonkey]

55. Of course he likes it. Because he doesn't actually do ANYTHING.

He tweets, watches TV, holds rallies for his worshippers, eats, grifts, plays golf, and orders people around. Who wouldn't like a job like that? He doesn't actually do any work and never has to put up with any pushback.

He is an absolute DISASTER! If this crisis doesn't do him in, we are really done for. I give up.

[mcar]

6. I did some panic buying today

But tried to keep in mind being able to make meals over the next several weeks. Not because I think SO and I will be quarantined, but because I feared nothing would be on the shelves.

What I found was so similar to pre-hurricane buying - people buying cases of water, for example. Almost no TP on the shelves and I was glad I got disinfectant wipes last week. Lots of bleach and the store was stocking in every aisle.

People go a bit crazy at times like this. I've lived through several hurricane and tropical storm warnings and I still can't believe the crap people buy then.

[sheshe2]

11. I am doing some shopping because of my mom.

I don't want to risk exposure and bring it home to mom. She will die if I do.

[TheBlackAdder]

7. I cannot stress the benefits of elecampane liquid and 'Lung Tonic' in combating chest infections.

.

I have chronic bronchitis, along with my nephew and my sister has COPD.

These are essential to keep your lungs clear and increasing lung function.

They help fight and recover from anthrax, pneumonia, the flu and other chest infections.

.

[Evolve Dammit]

20. I haven't heard of those formulations. Could you send along a link (or recipe)?

[TheBlackAdder]

30. Here ya go.

.

Unfortunately, these sample links are from Amazon. You can also get them at good health food stores, other online shops and Sprouts Farmer's Market:


Nature's Answer Elecampane -- 30 drops in 8 oz water 3x a day. If really sick, double the dose.

https://www.amazon.com/Natures-Answer-Elecampane-Organic-Alcohol/dp/B0001TS336/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3JLHUWJIQSS5U&dchild=1&keywords=natures+answer+elecampane&qid=1584145257&sprefix=natures+answer+ele%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-4


Herb's Etc. Lung Tonic -- One gel cap 3 times a day. If sick double the dose.

There are 60 cap & 120 cap bottles. The 120 cap bottle are a bit cheaper per cap.

https://www.amazon.com/HERBS-ETC-Lung-Tonic-Count/dp/B001ED1I7G/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=lung+tonic&qid=1584145419&sr=8-4


Guaifenesin 400mg -- You can safely take 1200mg per dose. 400mg will be in a good DM cough syrup.

https://www.amazon.com/Kirkland-Signature-Expectorant-Guaifenesin-Immediate-Release/dp/B002RL8FIE/ref=sr_1_7?crid=1NTIFL5FMFN5A&dchild=1&keywords=guaifenesin+400mg&qid=1584145516&sprefix=guai%2Caps%2C147&sr=8-7


Vicks Personal Steam Inhaler with menthol discs.

https://www.amazon.com/Vicks-Personal-V1200-Targeted-Congestion/dp/B0000TN7MY/ref=sr_1_8?crid=F592TS4NYMAP&dchild=1&keywords=vicks+vapor+inhaler&qid=1584145609&sprefix=vicks+vapor+in%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-8



When you feel congestion, start taking the Lung Tonic. 1 cap 3xday. If it starts to get worse, 2 3xday and introduce the elecampane drops. Take a good DM cough syrup and take 400mg guaifenesin along with it. If you wait too long, and it starts to fester, use the Vicks steamer twice a day, and do a double session with the same disc. Also, tap on your lower chest to loosen the mucus in the lower part of the lungs.

This is key, the cough syrup and guaifenesin generally are taken every 4 hours. You must never miss a dose, even if that means setting your alarm for 2AM. If you wait 8 hours, any chest infection will start to re-seat and fester again. Hit the chest congestion and hit it hard.

Eat spicy foods to keep your mucous fluid. When breathing or coughing, make sure you do a slow 5 second in and 5 second out, but try to make sure your exhales are more forceful, to keep the flow out of your lungs.

.

[Tucker08087]

38. Wow!

Thank you! I was unaware of these, as well. I printed your post!

[TheBlackAdder]

40. Update to the Lung Tonic.

.

Amazon just sold out. I checked a few online stores and I found the 120 cap bottle here for under $40. I bought 2 from them. I have 3 shipping from another company to fill the house inventory, to protect my family of 5 and for the siblings (I bought their remaining inventory). I gave 1 bottle I had on hand to my next door neighbor who has COPD and who are in their 70s.

https://www.nutritionjungle.com/herbs-etc-lung-tonic-120-softgels.aspx

I've had bronchitis for a couple of decades, and since following these procedures, I haven't needed to see a doctor 3 times a year and miss a couple weeks of work every year. It got to the point where my boss knew I would call out a few times a year. Now I don't. My kids would get sick and would go back to work after a day of recuperating. People doubt the efficacy of this stuff, until they try it.

.

[Tucker08087]

43. Thank you!

It certainly can’t hurt. I had pneumonia and it is a helpless feeling to be drowning in your own body. Anything that makes you feel better and less helpless is a positive.

[somaticexperiencing]

45. Thank you! That is amazing.

[sheshe2]

54. Thank you!

[Evolve Dammit]

56. Thanks very much. I knew about the last two, but not the first two. Habanero sauce it is!

[SiliconValley_Dem]

13. This is exactly what I yelled and posted on Facebook on election night

I didn’t know how or when it would come, but it was a certainty the Trump presidency would damage us in a major way.

[Midnight Writer]

14. Went to local Walmart last night at ten PM. Place was packed, worse than Christmas Eve.

20 checkout lanes open and still major lines. People with overflowing carts. Toilet paper and cleaning supplies sold out.

[uponit7771]

16. K&R, We need unfettered testing and isolation !!! We can't get that right now so we're screwed

[Evolve Dammit]

21. Katrina: You're on your own. 2008 meltdown: You're on your own. Covid 19. You get the pattern..

[sheshe2]

25. Yes.

Sadly the deaths will be far higher.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213090624

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

[Evolve Dammit]

35. Tragic.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

44. K&R. Truth.

Trump: For this election, we really need your help.

Awoke voters: Tough shit, you're on your own.


KY..........

[BumRushDaShow]

22. One of my sisters texted

that she stopped by the supermarket near me here in the city late this afternoon to pick up some cooking oil and was barely able to get in and back out because the store was starting to get packed with people coming home from work and headed right to the supermarkets. She said all the meat shelves (beef, poultry, pork, lamb, veal) were completely empty and the only thing left was some $17/lb snapper in the fish section. Even the "buy 1 get 2 free" baby back ribs were gone. There were no carts (all in-use).

Luckily I bought a small deep freezer a couple years ago and it is stocked (grew up with a big Kenmore deep freezer as a kid when my dad used to buy like 1/2 a steer or something and would store the cuts in the freezer along with some ice cream sandwiches )

[sheshe2]

24. All that ...

AND Ice Cream Sandwiches to?

[BumRushDaShow]

31. We didn't care about the steaks

just those yummy ice cream sandwiches in a little basket on the side. The freezer had such an intoxicating "smell" too (may have been from the freon they used to use back then).

It was most likely this chest style -



Edit to add - I have one of these Insignia 5 cuft ones (down in my basement) -



The temp generally stays below 0F (between -10F - -5F).

[sheshe2]

34. We had the chest freezer!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. He said his Six Words after the markets closed

He timed his briefing to start before they closed.

Markets went down a couple of percent while he spoke.

Then they went dramatically up as the other participants spoke.

After the markets closed, about 4:10 pm, he said "I don't take responsibility at all".

Investors and traders will have all weekend to consider and late night comedy and Saturday Night Live and the Sunday talk shows.

[Pillow talk]

27. I'm not and i hope to god we aren't.

[johnthewoodworker]

32. I live in Hayward Wi. Population 2400 in the town, 16,000 for the county. Walmart is the major

retailer in town. My wife just came from there and TP, flour, sugar, butter, cooking oil, frozen foods empty. Interesting times ahead. Make sure to thank all your republican family and friends for this sterling government response to this crisis.

[Xipe Totec]

36. ...We'll be using purell instead of ky nt

[yaesu]

37. His only concern is pumping up the stock market after buying his Google & oil stocks. nt

[beastie boy]

39. Try a home food delivery service

Whole Foods, freshdirect, etc. more expensive but may be worth it short term. If your mom is a senior, maybe there is a meals on wheels type delivery service nearby.

Beats dealing with the mobs and maintains social distancing.

[Demovictory9]

41. "They have not addressed the long term lung damage for those that actually survive. I read your lung

They have not addressed the long term lung damage for those that actually survive. I read your lungs look like crushed glass.

yikes

[KY_EnviroGuy]

42. Trying to be positive, SheShe.....

in the gloom of my worry of being exposed. So, I'm getting my son to do the running and then I take charge of wiping down what he brings home. I've told him: if you bring that shit in this house, I'm probably a dead man. That got his attention.

Anyhow.....
* I believe the stores should settle down soon after people get stocked up and the supply chains adjust. Remember, the average product demand has not changed except perhaps for cleaning products. This is mainly hoarding.

* I'm hoping crucial services will start making provisions for isolating the sick from those that appear to be well. Perhaps doctor's offices for example, could install some temporary barriers or just sectionalize their office spaces.

* My son and I do our shopping very late at night (1 to 3am) and it's much better. Also, there's plenty of store employees around to help find stuff because they stock the store that time of night.

* Someone mentioned going temporarily to a high-end grocery just for basics because those are typically not so crowded and are kept well stocked. Might be worth the few extra bucks just for the reduced exposure.

Hang in there and be safe - we'll make it.......

[LisaL]

48. Tell me about it.

[malaise]

49. Glad UC!