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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:25 AM Mar 2020

America needs to plan now in case Trump loses in November -- but refuses to leave the White House

The Constitution provides a couple of mechanisms for Trump to lose the 2020 election—both the popular vote and the Electoral College—and still hold the office of president for a second term.

It’s keeping historians and constitutional scholars up at night and, based on offline conversations I’ve had with D.C. conservatives I know, is something the GOP and partisans within the Trump administration are already discussing.
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The GOP has done this before, an action that included multiple threats of violence and bloodshed on the floor of Congress, leading Democrats to cave in even though their candidate won the popular vote and had 22 more electoral votes than the Republican (who became president).

Additionally, the Constitution says that if a presidential election really turns into a mess with multiple claims of fraud or some other crisis, the president is selected by the U.S. House of Representatives.

While that sounds like good news, with Democrats controlling the House today, each state’s delegation only gets one vote—50 votes from 50 states determine the president. And a majority of the states are Republican-controlled, so this remedy would put Trump into office regardless of how badly he lost the popular vote, the electoral vote, or both.

[link:https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/america-needs-to-plan-now-in-case-trump-loses-in-november-but-refuses-to-leave-the-white-house/|]

This makes for sober reading. I tend to think the way he is fucking up right now will be too much even for the soulless devils in the republican party and they will not try something like this. But, it is right to ask this question cause Trump is likely to try and squat when the electorate waves bye bye in November.
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America needs to plan now in case Trump loses in November -- but refuses to leave the White House (Original Post) Soph0571 Mar 2020 OP
I am so tired of this meme vlyons Mar 2020 #1
Thanks for that padah513 Mar 2020 #4
Me too. I don't think trump will have to be dragged out of the White House... zackymilly Mar 2020 #6
taze his fat ass + drag him out. throw his shit out the window too. pansypoo53219 Mar 2020 #2
If he tries any shit like that, the only plan should be Cirque du So-What Mar 2020 #3
OK, so just how do we "plan now"? Worst case might be the election thrown to the House, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2020 #5
AS much as Republicans hate to relinquish power, vlyons Mar 2020 #7
The only way I see it going to the HoR ... PBC_Democrat Mar 2020 #8
Is the White House bulldozer proof? ck4829 Mar 2020 #9

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
1. I am so tired of this meme
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:41 AM
Mar 2020

There are more than enough judges, who are ready, willing, and able to swear in the next POTUS. Even if Trump barricades the WH (unlikely) a Fed judge can simply swear in the next duly-elected POTUS anywhere, who will then send in the US marshalls, FBI, and DC police to restore order.

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
6. Me too. I don't think trump will have to be dragged out of the White House...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:52 AM
Mar 2020

...any more than I believe Bernie will have to be dragged out of the convention.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. OK, so just how do we "plan now"? Worst case might be the election thrown to the House, but...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:47 AM
Mar 2020

sadly enough, that is entirely legitimate in our democratic republic.

Should the Republican states install Trump, horrible as that may be, it is ultimately the will of the people and we could just be stuck with it. Law and history do not automatically lead us to the "correct" answers.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
7. AS much as Republicans hate to relinquish power,
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:57 AM
Mar 2020

they surely will be only too happy to see his back getting into the helicopter on the WH lawn to fly him away to anywhere, but AWAY.

PBC_Democrat

(401 posts)
8. The only way I see it going to the HoR ...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:56 AM
Mar 2020

is if Sen Sanders launches a 3rd party Justice Party campaign and Gov Kasich and Sec Haley crank up a 4th party Normalcy campaign.

The other two campaigns could siphon enough EC votes to deny anyone 270.

Since the HoR chooses between the the top three EC vote getters, it could come done to Trump, Biden, Sanders.

The current HoR casts the votes, one vote per state.
I can't find the current breakdown, but as I recall the Rs control more state delegations.

We have more Reps, but they control most states.

Then the Senate chooses the VP.

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