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Mon Mar 16, 2020, 10:04 AM

Saw this link about CV19 from a respected herbalist I follow that has very interesting ideas

Very compelling....


[link:https://c1c17220-5aa6-46c5-a11f-1b9d7595d5fa.filesusr.com/ugd/ee530d_76f64605a3d74bd99dc924a48e341ee7.pdf|


Some of their findings include how steroid use in late stages is tied in with rising mortality rates.

That echinacea is somewhat regulating when it comes to the cytokines storm that comes in end stage and how Vitamin D can protect you by bolstering your immune system.


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Reply Saw this link about CV19 from a respected herbalist I follow that has very interesting ideas (Original post)
flying_wahini Mar 2020 OP
CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #1
Arthur_Frain Mar 2020 #2
cwydro Mar 2020 #11
flying_wahini Mar 2020 #15
Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #26
Demonaut Mar 2020 #29
librechik Mar 2020 #3
EarthFirst Mar 2020 #5
Jarqui Mar 2020 #4
flying_wahini Mar 2020 #6
Archae Mar 2020 #7
flying_wahini Mar 2020 #8
Archae Mar 2020 #9
flying_wahini Mar 2020 #17
Archae Mar 2020 #19
Amishman Mar 2020 #12
flying_wahini Mar 2020 #18
Amishman Mar 2020 #21
NNadir Mar 2020 #32
Mosby Mar 2020 #14
lindysalsagal Mar 2020 #16
Tipperary Mar 2020 #23
IcyPeas Mar 2020 #10
X_Digger Mar 2020 #13
flying_wahini Mar 2020 #20
Archae Mar 2020 #24
flying_wahini Mar 2020 #25
renate Mar 2020 #31
Brainfodder Mar 2020 #22
emmaverybo Mar 2020 #28
Raine Mar 2020 #27
mnhtnbb Mar 2020 #30
cally Mar 2020 #33
Archae Mar 2020 #34

Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 10:20 AM

1. Vitamin D boosts the immune system

I've been taking it for years due to a deficiency.

Vitamin D3 specifically -- 50 mcg.

It is inexpensive and you can buy it at the grocery store.

Good idea to look to nature for nature is what has thwarted this upon us.

Thanks for the ideas, I for one appreciate them.


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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 10:23 AM

2. Great.

Now all our shelves at the pharmacy will be out of vitamin D.

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Response to Arthur_Frain (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:13 PM

11. Vitamin A, D, E, and K should not be taken like other vitamins.

They are stored in the liver and other tissues. Not good to have too much of them.

Vitamin C and the B complex vitamins are pissed away when thereís too much, but never good to overload on any vitamin.
This is the DU member formerly known as cwydro.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:29 PM

15. Most people, especially post menopausal women are low to begin with.


The deal here is that VitD plays a crucial role in our immune health.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:38 PM

26. Exactly right.

This is the DU member formerly known as Turin_C3PO.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:44 PM

29. I have prescribed 50k D pill I take once a week

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 10:44 AM

3. Eat your Wheaties!

and sardines

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Response to librechik (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 11:22 AM

5. I recommend separately...

Together; itís an acquired taste.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 11:21 AM

4. Really interesting link nt

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 11:39 AM

6. I have seen several studies about Eucalyptus & thyme helping suppress viral loads greatly.



And you know what has that in it? Original Listerine. Iím using it as gargle once daily.


Donít forget to add a slice of Lemon in your hot tea! Also very anti viral.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 11:49 AM

7. This is pure bullshit.

From the original web site of this "herbalist" group:

"Vitalism in healing is a clinical strategy based on the principle that Life, Nature, and the Great Spirit from which they arise are fully present in all the tissues of the body, and also in the psyche, the spiritual heart, and the soul, sustaining life and health, providing inspiration and momentum for personal evolution on all levels, and for the fulfillment of the highest purpose in social and spiritual life."

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Response to Archae (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 11:59 AM

8. And???? Why do you think it's bullshit?


They used to say that about aspirin, too.

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:05 PM

9. Because aspirin was given proper scientific tests.

Whenever herbalism or homeopathy or other forms of woo are properly scientifically tested, they fail.

EVERY time.

The National Enquirer has as their headline today, "Coronavirus Cure!"

Should we believe them, too?

This is why the medical establishment is saying it's going to be months, maybe a year to a year and a half before a vaccine is judged to be safe and effective.
Because they use SCIENCE.

Not hucksterism, woo and lies.

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Response to Archae (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:35 PM

17. Wrong, wrong and wrong!


There have been decades of research on the efficacy of herbs, mostly Big Parma trying to dispute the facts. I could post reams of research already done.
If You wanna believe Big Pharma then be my guest.
They have lied about anything and everything they canít produce in a lab.
The anti viral effects of Eucalyptus and Thyme have been around a hundred years or more.
Echinacea, too.
Research is now showing that even the young people who have succumbed to this had low loads of Calcium in their system.



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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 01:11 PM

19. Ok, show me.

Show me this "research."

And that herbalist website has already been discredited.

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:14 PM

12. because saying it is worm riddled dog shit is too many words

herbals aren't going to do anything than separate fools from their money

look into who ran those pro herbal studies and who are their financiers.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:36 PM

18. Wrong, I read them, have you?

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 01:14 PM

21. yes, I had to save a relative from this nonsense

thankfully she saw the light of day and did seek proper medical attention.

I can't express my full loathing for herbal and alternative medicine without likely getting a hide

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:50 PM

32. If I may interject, I think it's bullshit because the putative "references" in the paper...

...are old, and not related to one another.

When one is selling snake oil, it's easy to throw around a bunch of "sciency" sounding junk nonsense to make one seem serious, at least to someone who knows no science.

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Response to Archae (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:23 PM

14. Low d3 levels is well established.

Vitamin D deficiency is very common. It's estimated that about 1 billion people worldwide have low levels of the vitamin in their blood (2Trusted Source).

According to a 2011 study, 41.6% of adults in the US are deficient. This number goes up to 69.2% in Hispanics and 82.1% in African-Americans (3Trusted Source).

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-deficiency-symptoms

Into the Eye of the Cytokine Storm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/

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Response to Archae (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:34 PM

16. Thankyou. There is plenty of real, verified, hard science about viruses in humans

so let's stick with that and not a lot of wishful thinking.

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Response to Archae (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 01:33 PM

23. Thank you.

 

Lotta woo flying around here.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:12 PM

10. wooooo

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 12:14 PM

13. Fucking woo bullshit. n/t

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 01:13 PM

20. Here you go - If you don't believe me

Just one of hundreds of articles...

[link:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31195112|


The published literature indicates that essential oils possess a wide-spectrum of antibacterial, antifungal and even anti-viral activity. Essential oils have also been shown to inhibit the growth of drug-resistant microbial strains which are even difficult to be treated by conventional antibiotics. As for as their mode of action is concerned, in fungal pathogens, essential oils establish a membrane potential across cell wall and disrupt ATP assembly, leading to cell wall damage. Essential oils can also disintegrate mitochondrial membrane interfering with the electron transport system (ETS) pathway. In bacterial pathogens, essential oils primarily destabilize the cellular architecture, leading to breakdown of membrane integrity, disrupting many cellular activities including energy production and membrane transport. Membrane rupture induced by essential oils can lead to leakage of cellular components and loss of ions. Several essential oils have antiviral activities against many RNA and DNA viruses, such as type 1 and type 2 herpes simplex virus (HSV-1 and HSV-2), dengue virus type 2, influenza virusadeno virus type 3, poliovirus, Junin virus, and coxsackievirus B1. In conclusion, the current review article discusses in detail the various aspects of antimicrobial activity of essential oils in a comprehensive manner.


This on Tea Tree oil

....These experiments revealed that viral replication was significantly inhibited if TTO was added within 2h of infection, indicating an interference with an early step of the viral replicative cycle of influenza virus.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21095205?utm_source=Ananda+Apothecary&utm_campaign=2c175780e7-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_04_06_30&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b61590e387-2c175780e7-260704481&mc_cid=2c175780e7&mc_eid=93de39f8c3

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 04:43 PM

24. Oh?

From your articles:

"None of the test compounds showed virucidal activity nor any protective action for the MDCK cells."


"Department of Chemistry, Islamic University of Science and Technology, Awanti Pora, Pulwama, Jammu and Kashmir, 192122, India."

"Instrumentation Division, Indian Institute of Integrative Medicine, Canal Road, Jammu, India."

"Department of Chemistry, Islamic University of Science and Technology, Awanti Pora, Pulwama, Jammu and Kashmir, 192122, India."

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Response to Archae (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:35 PM

25. You stopped too soon....


It says that Tea tree oil in particular DOES work if the timing is right. Other studies prove it, too.
Other studies prove that this and other oils are very beneficial in killing the H1N1 bug.
(In particular Thyme and Eucalyptus like I was saying in the original post!!)
A reminder that there are NO antibiotics that can kill H1N1. Treatment is for the flu is
symptomatic treatment, my point was that the cytokines waterfall effect take over and kill these patients very quickly.
Many of these essential oils have the same chemical properties that Pharma uses to produce more meds. Example; Tamoxifen came from the bark of a tree. There is lots of science that is happening right now and I find it fascinating.

And are you implying that a chemistry Dept in India is not good enough for you? What was your point there? It sounds pretty funny if you think that only ĎMerican labs are any good.
There are lots of studies going on all over the world. Have been for decades.
The Chinese have studied herbalism for centuries. As well as India, where Ayurvedic medicine and health practices helped modern Pharma develop many drugs today.
So donít turn your nose up to something you arenít buying.
Or did you come by just to crap on something you
canít believe because you donít understand it?

Many of modern medicines come people who didnít have modern meds available to them.
People had to use their natural resources to figure it all out.
Yet even with all the research they canít figure out how to kill the flu.

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:47 PM

31. topical tea tree oil is the shizz

It got rid of a fungal infection of my toenail that nothing else worked for.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 01:15 PM

22. Be cautious: D supplements gave me a kidney stone.

GREAT FUN, nevermind!

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Response to Brainfodder (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:41 PM

28. Also, herbals are not regulated. One Chinese herbal people were using for sleep turned out to

be Thorazine. There have been deadly contaminated batches too.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:39 PM

27. Thanks 👍

for the info!

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:45 PM

30. Well, I hope the Vit D is right

because I've been taking D3 at the suggestion of primary care doc for several years. I'm also in the high risk group.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:57 PM

33. My sinus doctor has me on Vitamin D, also

Because it helps immunity and mine was low. I get it tested periodically

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 03:57 PM

34. Just got this in my "Quackwatch" e-mail...

But, I guess since a couple doctors in India (who have yet to be backed up by other doctors) and a group of "herbalists" say so, none of this is true, right?

Marketers warned about coronavirus claims

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have sent warning letters to seven companies allegedly selling unapproved products that may violate federal law by making deceptive or scientifically unsupported claims about their ability to treat coronavirus (COVID-19): (a) Vital Silver, (b) Quinessence Aromatherapy Ltd., (c) N-ergetics, (d) GuruNanda, LLC, (e) Vivify Holistic Clinic, (f) Herbal Amy LLC, and (g) The Jim Bakker Show. These companies advertised products including teas, essential oils, and colloidal silver as able to treat or prevent the coronavirus disease even though no approved vaccines, drugs, or investigational products are currently available to treat or prevent the virus. [FTC, FDA send warning letters to seven companies about unsupported claims that products can treat or prevent coronavirus. FTC press release. March 9, 2020] The warning letters:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2020/03/ftc-fda-send-warning-letters-seven-companies-about-unsupported

Supplement industry reports increased product sales

Even though no dietary supplement or herb has been proven effective against viral infections, the number of "hits" returned with Google searches for "coronavirus + 'immune support'" has more than tripled durimng the past week. NUTRAingredients-USA, which reflects the views and activities of the dietary supplement industry, reports that sales of products promoted for "immune support" have increased. [Shultz H. Panic buying of immune products causes shortfalls; greater supply gaps loom in months ahead NUTRAIngredients-USA Web site, March 16, 2020]

https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2020/03/16/Panic-buying-of-immune-products-causes-shortfalls-greater-supply-gaps-loom-in-months-ahead?utm_source=copyright&utm_medium=OnSite&utm_campaign=copyright

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