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still_one

(92,115 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:01 AM Mar 2020

Heard Schumer they s morning regarding the financial stimulus package. He gave a tremendous amount

of credit to Elizabeth Warren for making this bill a priority to help people, healthcare support, and small business, with appropriate oversight, things that the republican version put as secondary

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Heard Schumer they s morning regarding the financial stimulus package. He gave a tremendous amount (Original Post) still_one Mar 2020 OP
Secondary? Cirque du So-What Mar 2020 #1
It was voluntary! RVN VET71 Mar 2020 #2
I really, really like her. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #3
I have to ask True Blue American Mar 2020 #4
I don't think so. I was born on DU. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #5
Ok True Blue American Mar 2020 #22
The best politician in America IMO. John Fante Mar 2020 #27
She is the smartest person in the room, by miles. n/t Raven Mar 2020 #6
Schumer's smarter, but Warren is more experienced Cicada Mar 2020 #11
Really? We're going to measure an adult's intelligence based on a test stopbush Mar 2020 #31
Yes, we are Cicada Mar 2020 #38
The diff on SATs could also have been due to the schools attended. blm Mar 2020 #33
Schools matter Cicada Mar 2020 #39
That is a misguided assumption to make. One of my children got an 800 in math junior year pnwmom Mar 2020 #36
That doesn't sound right to me Cicada Mar 2020 #40
When my daughter took it you could order your answer sheet afterwards pnwmom Mar 2020 #41
I repeat: the republicans had the greatest heist in history set to go until Warren, Shummer, Pelosi Augiedog Mar 2020 #7
That would have been Trump's 500 billion dollar re-election slush fund. patphil Mar 2020 #9
This was on aol news this morning then they removed it Generic Other Mar 2020 #8
How much will Sheldon Adelson be able to snag? klook Mar 2020 #13
He's s0 devi0us. Generic Other Mar 2020 #14
L0L (nt) klook Mar 2020 #15
He d0es hate the 0bama key (nt) Generic Other Mar 2020 #28
Rofl mahina Mar 2020 #32
I'd really like to see Biden pick her as his vice-president; assuming he is the nominee. patphil Mar 2020 #10
Me 2 rickyhall Mar 2020 #12
I would love that too, but I hear Biden and Warren don't get along well. forgotmylogin Mar 2020 #19
On general principles I'm against robbing the Senate. soldierant Mar 2020 #46
I don't understand that logic... stillcool Mar 2020 #34
First, she brings in the progressive vote, and, secondly, would also preside over the Senate. patphil Mar 2020 #42
When all ramifications are considered (VP is powerless, loss of Senate seat, etc.) hangaleft Mar 2020 #43
Why we need Elizabeth in the Senate watching out for us, maybe even more than as a VP. marble falls Mar 2020 #16
This!! I hope the people of MA are listening Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #17
I agree. kag Mar 2020 #21
So glad to hear that BlueMTexpat Mar 2020 #18
Yes he did, several times still_one Mar 2020 #24
It's still a huge giveaway to corporations Ponietz Mar 2020 #20
No, he named specifics that Warren was involved in the bill, because she had the most experience. still_one Mar 2020 #26
I still see her as President. liberalmuse Mar 2020 #23
I believe Liz would have been one of our Top 5 presidents had she been nominated and elected hangaleft Mar 2020 #44
This is why I was glad she didn't continue on with the race for President. Hulk Mar 2020 #25
Her 'clone' is Katie Porter. blm Mar 2020 #29
True......we just need 68 more. Hulk Mar 2020 #35
Some day. mahina Mar 2020 #30
She persisted, didn't she? Hekate Mar 2020 #37
She would have made a great President. Fla Dem Mar 2020 #45
So why is Zach Carter at Huff Po all Gloom and Doom ripping on Democrats? LuvLoogie Mar 2020 #47
Typical Zach Carter.. This is the first part of a process. Also, there will be an oversight still_one Mar 2020 #48
Instead of corporate bailout, just refund the taxes they have paid. keithbvadu2 Mar 2020 #49

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
2. It was voluntary!
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:42 AM
Mar 2020

Of course the corporations would do whatever was possible to help the wee little unimportant people who work for them -- but only after perks and bonuses were extracted from the governmental gift to the plutocracy.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
11. Schumer's smarter, but Warren is more experienced
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:33 AM
Mar 2020

Schumer beat her on the SAT by about a hundred points. 800 vs 700. But Warren has been working for decades on business regulation, consumer protections, etc. She has worked hard and long and has become wise and savvy. I will take an experienced lawyer over a smarter but less experienced one every day.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
31. Really? We're going to measure an adult's intelligence based on a test
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:05 PM
Mar 2020

they took in high school?

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
38. Yes, we are
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:43 PM
Mar 2020

A three hour test predicts freshman grades better than a four year GPA.

Why not call it intelligence?

Note that I didn’t say intelligence mattered more than other things. In fact I said and believe the opposite.

What’s really hard to believe, but which is true, is that a twenty question vocabulary test is almost as good as the three hour SAT.

Intelligence, IMO, is real but is greatly overrated. Ted Cruz is intelligent. But it’s safe to ignore him. I worked with a lawyer from a mediocre law school while most of us were blue bloods. He had never lost a case. I learned to believe everything he ever said. We were smarter. But he always got the right answer while the rest of us flailed in the dark. I think Warren is just fucking awesome. I worship her. Even tho I got much better test scores I am only ten percent as good as she is.

blm

(113,039 posts)
33. The diff on SATs could also have been due to the schools attended.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:06 PM
Mar 2020

She’s a bit older than me, and I can tell you that, at that time, few schools in this nation were encouraging the female students to excel in the same way they did male students.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
39. Schools matter
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:59 PM
Mar 2020

As a freshman long long ago I discussed with a classmate a little high school math competition. I mentioned that I got the second highest score in my state. My friend asked my score and when I told him he laughed and told me that my score would have only been the sixth highest score in his Long Island high school.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
36. That is a misguided assumption to make. One of my children got an 800 in math junior year
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:29 PM
Mar 2020

but a 710 senior year. It turned out that on the 710 she made ONE mistake. On that particular test, with that group of test takers, missing one question dropped her score by 90 points. But it didn't make her less smart than she had been the previous year.

Also, the content of the SAT math test is lower level. For students who've gone on to Calculus one and two, they would have to brush up on the content in the SAT. It's not that they aren't as smart as the ones taking Algebra 2.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
40. That doesn't sound right to me
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:06 PM
Mar 2020

The test, at least in the Middle Ages when I went to college, predicted freshman grades better than high school gpa. And scores varied all the way from 700 to 800. My roommate had a score 10 points higher than mine. Our other roommate was 33 points lower. One question might have been 10 points out of 800.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
41. When my daughter took it you could order your answer sheet afterwards
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:13 PM
Mar 2020

and find out exactly where you went wrong.

And on the math test (not the English test) so many people get a perfect score, that getting one wrong answer can cause a giant drop in your score. Again this depends on the cohort you took the test with because it's graded on a CURVE. If many people get 100%, they'll all be at the top percentile in the scoring -- but the people with one wrong will be significantly lower.

The top colleges know this and they consider applications accordingly. When a winner of an Intel Scholarship for a physics project, for example, "only" gets a 720, they know he's just as smart as the kid with 800. A few slip-ups in the math test are meaningless, really. The best math students aren't always the best proof-readers of their own work. That Intel winner could be far ahead of an 800 scorer conceptually -- doing far more advanced math on an everyday basis. But he could still make a couple of "dumb mistakes" on the simpler math that is covered on the SAT2.

(Also, one way the top schools keep their scores as high as they do is because most of the colleges use the highest score ever achieved for each subject level. They recognize that there are students who scored higher in one sitting on math, and on a different sitting in English. So my daughter was counted as an 800 in math even though her senior year score was quite a bit lower. They used her junior year score for math and her senior score for English.)

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2018/07/12/surprisingly-low-scores-mathematics-sat-stun-and-anger-students

The problem, in short, is that the SAT is scored on a curve. If the mathematics exam is unusually easy, students will on average get more questions correct than in a typical SAT administration. But the College Board then compensates with a curve, and missing a relatively small number of questions can result in a much lower score than would typically be the case.

SNIP

"That is a problem for those colleges who treat a 650, a 700, a 750, and an 800 as accurate indicators of real differences in Math ability," the Princeton Review said. "It is a problem, too, for high-scoring students who make the occasional careless error or who misbubble on questions that they are quite capable of answering. With a typical curve, there’s some cushion to mitigate the impact of such errors. There was no cushion on the June 2018 SAT."

As for why this matters, the analysis said, "It might be fair to say that the most accomplished students shouldn’t make those kinds of errors, but is that true? Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that the most accomplished test takers don’t make those kinds of errors. Small mistakes under time pressure can make a big difference in life, no doubt, but doing well in college tends to be about doing well over time with the possibility to revise, rethink, and do better."

Augiedog

(2,544 posts)
7. I repeat: the republicans had the greatest heist in history set to go until Warren, Shummer, Pelosi
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:05 AM
Mar 2020

Stepped up. That special 500 billion dollars would have ended up in trumps pocket so fast.

patphil

(6,161 posts)
9. That would have been Trump's 500 billion dollar re-election slush fund.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:28 AM
Mar 2020

Give to the rich and they would create super pacs to give back to him.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
8. This was on aol news this morning then they removed it
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:14 AM
Mar 2020

A provision in the bill prohibits businesses controlled by the president, vice president, members of Congress, and heads of executive departments from receiving loans or investments from U.S. Treasury programs. The prohibition also applies to their children, spouses, and in-laws, according to a summary from the office of Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.).

Why do I think Trump will veto?

klook

(12,153 posts)
13. How much will Sheldon Adelson be able to snag?
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:34 AM
Mar 2020

I’m sure Trump’s scheming with such supporters to see if there’s a way for him to bring in a gusher.

forgotmylogin

(7,523 posts)
19. I would love that too, but I hear Biden and Warren don't get along well.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:17 AM
Mar 2020

Kamala Harris would be another great pick and a really solid ticket, with EW as Attorney General. Either way, Kamala would also be a kick-ass AG.

soldierant

(6,836 posts)
46. On general principles I'm against robbing the Senate.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 06:51 PM
Mar 2020

I'm less worried about Senator Harris, because,Gavin Newsom is a Democrat in the first place, and is required by California law to appoint a Democrat to replace a Democrat, or cll a special election, or both (I did look this up, but 50 is alot of states to remember.) Massachusetts, on the other hand, has a Republican governor who can do whatever he damn well pleases under Massachusetts law. He doesn't have to appoint anyone. He doesn't have to hold a special election.

Obviously some senate seats would be safe if the present occupant were tagged for VP. But we'd want to be sure. The House id different. Val Demings? Katie Porter? (AOC is too young - to run for VP one must be qualified to run for Prez.)

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
34. I don't understand that logic...
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:19 PM
Mar 2020

She is a great Senator. What could she achieve as VP, that would have a greater effect than what she does on the Senate floor? Is it the prestige? The title? The image?

patphil

(6,161 posts)
42. First, she brings in the progressive vote, and, secondly, would also preside over the Senate.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:29 PM
Mar 2020

And, she would be an excellent backup if anything happened to Joe.
Remember, the Vice-President is the second most powerful person in the Executive Branch.
That person doesn't make policy, but is very much involved in applying policy, especially in the international arena.
Just because Pence is a dud at Vice-President doesn't mean the office isn't an integral part of the Executive Branch.
Essentially, the job is what the person makes it.
Elizabeth Warren would be a very dynamic VP.

And, I would really like Kamala Harris as Attorney General.

 

hangaleft

(649 posts)
43. When all ramifications are considered (VP is powerless, loss of Senate seat, etc.)
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:56 PM
Mar 2020

My preference would be to leave Liz right where she is, where she can do the most good (as was so visibly just demonstrated).

kag

(4,079 posts)
21. I agree.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:29 AM
Mar 2020

She is so important on legislation like this one. She was my pick for president until she dropped out. As much as I would like to see her in the upper echelons, we need her in the senate.

Ponietz

(2,957 posts)
20. It's still a huge giveaway to corporations
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:28 AM
Mar 2020

Part of Schumer’s compliment to Warren is just good salesmanship to the progressive wing.
Good to remember that.

From the Washington Post:

‘“Every loan document will be public and made available to Congress very quickly, so we can see where the money is going, what the terms are and if it’s fair to the American people,” Schumer said on the Senate floor Wednesday.’

[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/25/trump-senate-coronavirus-economic-stimulus-2-trillion/|

A congressional subpoena means nothing to the Misadministration or, apparently, to the Federal courts. Oversight is tenuous, at best. Again, good salesmanship.

still_one

(92,115 posts)
26. No, he named specifics that Warren was involved in the bill, because she had the most experience.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020

This wasn’t about “salesmanship”

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
23. I still see her as President.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:42 AM
Mar 2020

If not in reality, in my imagination, though I will take Joe hands down in reality.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
25. This is why I was glad she didn't continue on with the race for President.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:58 AM
Mar 2020

Granted, she would be AWESOME as President; but she is also a powerful voice in the Senate. We need to clone her and have 70 Senators just like her.

I feel the same with Senator Harris, Klobachar, and several other Senators running for the office of President. We need them in Congress. We need to get control of the Senate in November, and I see us having a good chance to get 54 possible seats. We should get more, but we probably won't. My country is filled with morons. I'm really discouraged with such a large percentage of fucking idiots....but this is "what makes the world go around"....so I hear.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
35. True......we just need 68 more.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:24 PM
Mar 2020

But I suppose we have some of them now. We probably really only need to replace about half the Democrats to get a seriously progressive Congress.

The Democrats controlled Congress since FDR until Bill Clinton. That's a long time to get this country on the right track...and we got things done. Problem was, the "dixie Democrats" were really nothing but repuKKKes in D's clothing. We need REAL progressives. Right now we have two independent Senators and a dozen or more that are damned weak.

LuvLoogie

(6,973 posts)
47. So why is Zach Carter at Huff Po all Gloom and Doom ripping on Democrats?
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:32 PM
Mar 2020

He's like that, but such hyperbole.

still_one

(92,115 posts)
48. Typical Zach Carter.. This is the first part of a process. Also, there will be an oversight
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:39 PM
Mar 2020

committee, it isnt just giving out "free money"

keithbvadu2

(36,727 posts)
49. Instead of corporate bailout, just refund the taxes they have paid.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 02:34 AM
Mar 2020

Instead of corporate bailout, just refund the taxes they have paid.

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