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Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:01 AM

Heard Schumer they s morning regarding the financial stimulus package. He gave a tremendous amount

of credit to Elizabeth Warren for making this bill a priority to help people, healthcare support, and small business, with appropriate oversight, things that the republican version put as secondary

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Reply Heard Schumer they s morning regarding the financial stimulus package. He gave a tremendous amount (Original post)
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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:11 AM

1. Secondary?

Oversight was absolutely nonexistent ib the original version! Nothing suspicious about that.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:42 AM

2. It was voluntary!

Of course the corporations would do whatever was possible to help the wee little unimportant people who work for them -- but only after perks and bonuses were extracted from the governmental gift to the plutocracy.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:42 AM

3. I really, really like her. nt

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:48 AM

4. I have to ask

Are you a Phoenix I knew in another life?

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:50 AM

5. I don't think so. I was born on DU. nt

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:31 AM

22. Ok

Phoenix was a great friend! Internet.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:01 PM

27. The best politician in America IMO.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 09:57 AM

6. She is the smartest person in the room, by miles. n/t

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Response to Raven (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:33 AM

11. Schumer's smarter, but Warren is more experienced

Schumer beat her on the SAT by about a hundred points. 800 vs 700. But Warren has been working for decades on business regulation, consumer protections, etc. She has worked hard and long and has become wise and savvy. I will take an experienced lawyer over a smarter but less experienced one every day.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

31. Really? We're going to measure an adult's intelligence based on a test

they took in high school?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:43 PM

38. Yes, we are

A three hour test predicts freshman grades better than a four year GPA.

Why not call it intelligence?

Note that I didn’t say intelligence mattered more than other things. In fact I said and believe the opposite.

What’s really hard to believe, but which is true, is that a twenty question vocabulary test is almost as good as the three hour SAT.

Intelligence, IMO, is real but is greatly overrated. Ted Cruz is intelligent. But it’s safe to ignore him. I worked with a lawyer from a mediocre law school while most of us were blue bloods. He had never lost a case. I learned to believe everything he ever said. We were smarter. But he always got the right answer while the rest of us flailed in the dark. I think Warren is just fucking awesome. I worship her. Even tho I got much better test scores I am only ten percent as good as she is.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:06 PM

33. The diff on SATs could also have been due to the schools attended.

She’s a bit older than me, and I can tell you that, at that time, few schools in this nation were encouraging the female students to excel in the same way they did male students.

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Response to blm (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:59 PM

39. Schools matter

As a freshman long long ago I discussed with a classmate a little high school math competition. I mentioned that I got the second highest score in my state. My friend asked my score and when I told him he laughed and told me that my score would have only been the sixth highest score in his Long Island high school.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:29 PM

36. That is a misguided assumption to make. One of my children got an 800 in math junior year

but a 710 senior year. It turned out that on the 710 she made ONE mistake. On that particular test, with that group of test takers, missing one question dropped her score by 90 points. But it didn't make her less smart than she had been the previous year.

Also, the content of the SAT math test is lower level. For students who've gone on to Calculus one and two, they would have to brush up on the content in the SAT. It's not that they aren't as smart as the ones taking Algebra 2.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:06 PM

40. That doesn't sound right to me

The test, at least in the Middle Ages when I went to college, predicted freshman grades better than high school gpa. And scores varied all the way from 700 to 800. My roommate had a score 10 points higher than mine. Our other roommate was 33 points lower. One question might have been 10 points out of 800.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:13 PM

41. When my daughter took it you could order your answer sheet afterwards

and find out exactly where you went wrong.

And on the math test (not the English test) so many people get a perfect score, that getting one wrong answer can cause a giant drop in your score. Again this depends on the cohort you took the test with because it's graded on a CURVE. If many people get 100%, they'll all be at the top percentile in the scoring -- but the people with one wrong will be significantly lower.

The top colleges know this and they consider applications accordingly. When a winner of an Intel Scholarship for a physics project, for example, "only" gets a 720, they know he's just as smart as the kid with 800. A few slip-ups in the math test are meaningless, really. The best math students aren't always the best proof-readers of their own work. That Intel winner could be far ahead of an 800 scorer conceptually -- doing far more advanced math on an everyday basis. But he could still make a couple of "dumb mistakes" on the simpler math that is covered on the SAT2.

(Also, one way the top schools keep their scores as high as they do is because most of the colleges use the highest score ever achieved for each subject level. They recognize that there are students who scored higher in one sitting on math, and on a different sitting in English. So my daughter was counted as an 800 in math even though her senior year score was quite a bit lower. They used her junior year score for math and her senior score for English.)

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2018/07/12/surprisingly-low-scores-mathematics-sat-stun-and-anger-students

The problem, in short, is that the SAT is scored on a curve. If the mathematics exam is unusually easy, students will on average get more questions correct than in a typical SAT administration. But the College Board then compensates with a curve, and missing a relatively small number of questions can result in a much lower score than would typically be the case.

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"That is a problem for those colleges who treat a 650, a 700, a 750, and an 800 as accurate indicators of real differences in Math ability," the Princeton Review said. "It is a problem, too, for high-scoring students who make the occasional careless error or who misbubble on questions that they are quite capable of answering. With a typical curve, there’s some cushion to mitigate the impact of such errors. There was no cushion on the June 2018 SAT."

As for why this matters, the analysis said, "It might be fair to say that the most accomplished students shouldn’t make those kinds of errors, but is that true? Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that the most accomplished test takers don’t make those kinds of errors. Small mistakes under time pressure can make a big difference in life, no doubt, but doing well in college tends to be about doing well over time with the possibility to revise, rethink, and do better."

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:05 AM

7. I repeat: the republicans had the greatest heist in history set to go until Warren, Shummer, Pelosi

Stepped up. That special 500 billion dollars would have ended up in trumps pocket so fast.

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Response to Augiedog (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:28 AM

9. That would have been Trump's 500 billion dollar re-election slush fund.

Give to the rich and they would create super pacs to give back to him.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:14 AM

8. This was on aol news this morning then they removed it

A provision in the bill prohibits businesses controlled by the president, vice president, members of Congress, and heads of executive departments from receiving loans or investments from U.S. Treasury programs. The prohibition also applies to their children, spouses, and in-laws, according to a summary from the office of Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.).

Why do I think Trump will veto?

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:34 AM

13. How much will Sheldon Adelson be able to snag?

I’m sure Trump’s scheming with such supporters to see if there’s a way for him to bring in a gusher.

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Response to klook (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:43 AM

14. He's s0 devi0us.

S0rry I was s0 mad I br0ke my "0" key 0n my keyb0ard. I need t0 g0 find tape.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:46 AM

15. L0L (nt)

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Response to klook (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:02 PM

28. He d0es hate the 0bama key (nt)

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:06 PM

32. Rofl

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:30 AM

10. I'd really like to see Biden pick her as his vice-president; assuming he is the nominee.

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Response to patphil (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:34 AM

12. Me 2

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Response to patphil (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

19. I would love that too, but I hear Biden and Warren don't get along well.

Kamala Harris would be another great pick and a really solid ticket, with EW as Attorney General. Either way, Kamala would also be a kick-ass AG.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 06:51 PM

46. On general principles I'm against robbing the Senate.

I'm less worried about Senator Harris, because,Gavin Newsom is a Democrat in the first place, and is required by California law to appoint a Democrat to replace a Democrat, or cll a special election, or both (I did look this up, but 50 is alot of states to remember.) Massachusetts, on the other hand, has a Republican governor who can do whatever he damn well pleases under Massachusetts law. He doesn't have to appoint anyone. He doesn't have to hold a special election.

Obviously some senate seats would be safe if the present occupant were tagged for VP. But we'd want to be sure. The House id different. Val Demings? Katie Porter? (AOC is too young - to run for VP one must be qualified to run for Prez.)

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Response to patphil (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:19 PM

34. I don't understand that logic...

She is a great Senator. What could she achieve as VP, that would have a greater effect than what she does on the Senate floor? Is it the prestige? The title? The image?

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Response to stillcool (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:29 PM

42. First, she brings in the progressive vote, and, secondly, would also preside over the Senate.

And, she would be an excellent backup if anything happened to Joe.
Remember, the Vice-President is the second most powerful person in the Executive Branch.
That person doesn't make policy, but is very much involved in applying policy, especially in the international arena.
Just because Pence is a dud at Vice-President doesn't mean the office isn't an integral part of the Executive Branch.
Essentially, the job is what the person makes it.
Elizabeth Warren would be a very dynamic VP.

And, I would really like Kamala Harris as Attorney General.

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Response to patphil (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:56 PM

43. When all ramifications are considered (VP is powerless, loss of Senate seat, etc.)

My preference would be to leave Liz right where she is, where she can do the most good (as was so visibly just demonstrated).

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:59 AM

16. Why we need Elizabeth in the Senate watching out for us, maybe even more than as a VP.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

17. This!! I hope the people of MA are listening

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Response to marble falls (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

21. I agree.

She is so important on legislation like this one. She was my pick for president until she dropped out. As much as I would like to see her in the upper echelons, we need her in the senate.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

18. So glad to hear that

Schumer gave credit to Warren!

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:56 AM

24. Yes he did, several times

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

20. It's still a huge giveaway to corporations

Part of Schumer’s compliment to Warren is just good salesmanship to the progressive wing.
Good to remember that.

From the Washington Post:

‘“Every loan document will be public and made available to Congress very quickly, so we can see where the money is going, what the terms are and if it’s fair to the American people,” Schumer said on the Senate floor Wednesday.’

[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/25/trump-senate-coronavirus-economic-stimulus-2-trillion/|

A congressional subpoena means nothing to the Misadministration or, apparently, to the Federal courts. Oversight is tenuous, at best. Again, good salesmanship.

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:59 AM

26. No, he named specifics that Warren was involved in the bill, because she had the most experience.

This wasn’t about “salesmanship”

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:42 AM

23. I still see her as President.

If not in reality, in my imagination, though I will take Joe hands down in reality.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:00 PM

44. I believe Liz would have been one of our Top 5 presidents had she been nominated and elected

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:58 AM

25. This is why I was glad she didn't continue on with the race for President.

Granted, she would be AWESOME as President; but she is also a powerful voice in the Senate. We need to clone her and have 70 Senators just like her.

I feel the same with Senator Harris, Klobachar, and several other Senators running for the office of President. We need them in Congress. We need to get control of the Senate in November, and I see us having a good chance to get 54 possible seats. We should get more, but we probably won't. My country is filled with morons. I'm really discouraged with such a large percentage of fucking idiots....but this is "what makes the world go around"....so I hear.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:04 PM

29. Her 'clone' is Katie Porter.

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Response to blm (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:24 PM

35. True......we just need 68 more.

But I suppose we have some of them now. We probably really only need to replace about half the Democrats to get a seriously progressive Congress.

The Democrats controlled Congress since FDR until Bill Clinton. That's a long time to get this country on the right track...and we got things done. Problem was, the "dixie Democrats" were really nothing but repuKKKes in D's clothing. We need REAL progressives. Right now we have two independent Senators and a dozen or more that are damned weak.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

30. Some day.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:32 PM

37. She persisted, didn't she?

Bet that made Mitch mad all over again.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 06:17 PM

45. She would have made a great President.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:32 PM

47. So why is Zach Carter at Huff Po all Gloom and Doom ripping on Democrats?

He's like that, but such hyperbole.

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #47)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:39 PM

48. Typical Zach Carter.. This is the first part of a process. Also, there will be an oversight

committee, it isnt just giving out "free money"

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 02:34 AM

49. Instead of corporate bailout, just refund the taxes they have paid.

Instead of corporate bailout, just refund the taxes they have paid.

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