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Tue Mar 31, 2020, 07:57 AM

Trump does not want to test

It's right before our eyes people. On a conference call with governors Trump said he doesn't see a problem with testing, right after Montana's governor told him that Montana could only test 1 more day unless it got more supplies.

Trump does not want to test because testing will balloon the numbers of infected and the numbers of dead. Trump wants infected people to either get better on their own or die, either way the numbers of coronavirus infections is not reported accurately.

Yeah I know that China is accused of under-reporting its numbers, and I have no doubt that China did this, however, China tested and China knew the real numbers that's why China has all but defeated the virus.

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Reply Trump does not want to test (Original post)
gab13by13 Mar 2020 OP
beachbumbob Mar 2020 #1
Walleye Mar 2020 #3
JHB Mar 2020 #7
Girard442 Mar 2020 #11
gab13by13 Mar 2020 #18
blitzen Mar 2020 #14
JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #23
Canoe52 Mar 2020 #34
Walleye Mar 2020 #2
beachbumbob Mar 2020 #5
Walleye Mar 2020 #8
calimary Mar 2020 #37
JenniferJuniper Mar 2020 #4
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #6
CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #9
JenniferJuniper Mar 2020 #10
Girard442 Mar 2020 #12
gab13by13 Mar 2020 #21
Girard442 Mar 2020 #24
JenniferJuniper Mar 2020 #29
Eyeball_Kid Mar 2020 #33
CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #47
Grasswire2 Mar 2020 #48
CaptYossarian Apr 2020 #49
blitzen Mar 2020 #13
JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #20
Whiskeytide Mar 2020 #27
blitzen Mar 2020 #28
Baltimike Mar 2020 #32
Whiskeytide Mar 2020 #36
Ohioboy Mar 2020 #15
Chainfire Mar 2020 #16
gab13by13 Mar 2020 #22
flibbitygiblets Mar 2020 #45
flying_wahini Mar 2020 #17
rickyhall Mar 2020 #19
gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #25
gab13by13 Mar 2020 #26
Texin Mar 2020 #30
lark Mar 2020 #31
gab13by13 Mar 2020 #35
calimary Mar 2020 #38
IronLionZion Mar 2020 #39
duforsure Mar 2020 #40
gab13by13 Mar 2020 #41
Dukkha Mar 2020 #42
matt819 Mar 2020 #43
Ad Infinitum Mar 2020 #44
Mc Mike Mar 2020 #46

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:01 AM

1. not testing does not improve the numbers of who dies

 

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:04 AM

3. Correct. Hard to do a cover-up on the death rate.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:06 AM

7. Does it affect whether those deaths are counted as COVID-19 deaths?

That's what he's focused on, those numbers, not the reality behind them.

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Response to JHB (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:22 AM

11. "Cause of death -- ague and grippe."

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Response to JHB (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:51 AM

18. Exactly what I'm saying,

They don't test dead people, they bury them.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:26 AM

14. That's not correct. Lancet study shows late testing increases fatality rate! See post #13 n/t

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:55 AM

23. Yes, it does improve the numbers.

By not testing, cause of death might be listed as pneumonia, or heart failure, or "drowned in own fluids", or (esp in Russia or North Korea) died of falling out window.

See? None of those reasons reference this "Covid-19" rumored annoyance.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:42 AM

34. He's hoping he can gaslight the dead maybe?



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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:02 AM

2. He told clearly us that when he wouldn't let the cruise ship dock

Seems like a year ago now. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

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Response to Walleye (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:05 AM

5. trump always gets away with it, no different now

 

some how we have to make the GOP pay BIG in November

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:09 AM

8. Yes. Drive them to their knees with overwhelming votes.

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Response to Walleye (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:58 AM

37. Well, WE are the ones with the numbers on that one.

There are more of us. More on the Democrats' side. There are just - MORE. More of us.

And all we have to do is show up to vote. All we have to do is flex those numbers like all the muscles they are. All we have to do is make sure our numbers show up at the polls, and in the mailboxes where ballots can be mailed in.

There are more of us than there are of them. We've already seen the reports about the GOP's slowly-but-steadily shrinking numbers. There are fewer republi-CONS these days. They're a lot louder and meaner now, probably because they feel their backs up against the wall more than ever. So they're gonna get more desperate about holding on to power. But our sheer NUMBERS can flood them out.

If only we USE them! That's all we have to do. Turn out the vote. Get 'em out to vote. Get 'em to the polls. There will be too many of them to try to keep out.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET OUT THE VOTE!

The only question is -

ARE WE UP TO IT?



VOTE. As though your life depended on it.

As though the life of YOUR COUNTRY depended on it.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:04 AM

4. His fanboys and girls are already

spouting the lie all over social media that many, many people whose deaths are being attributed to the virus actually died from natural causes. Or the flu.

He wants testing suppressed for sure. He cares not one bit about how many additional people die, as long as it can't be proved it was the virus.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:06 AM

6. K&R, SOMEONE ASK DR FAUCI IF US IS DOING PROPER PER CAPITA TESTING !!!

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:15 AM

9. When it's detected by way of an autopsy, how will he explain

the number of deaths surpassing the number of those infected?

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:21 AM

10. He doesn't ever explain anything,

and very few patients will be autopsied.

It's all about manipuluating perception. He's telling his fan base that people are dying from the flu or other causes. And they will believe it, until as individuals they start getting sick. But not a moment before then.

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:24 AM

12. The numbers alone will tell the story.

Unless we start covering up actual deaths, like Kim would.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:53 AM

21. The numbers won't tell the story,

If someone dies from Coronavirus and was never tested, unless the family requests an autopsy, that dead person will not be counted as a Coronavirus death.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:57 AM

24. Not officially, but will anyone believe...

...that coincidentally a whole lot of people just died of nonspecific respiratory failure?

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:17 AM

29. Yes, Trump's minions will believe

anything he tells them to believe.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:41 AM

33. This doesn't make sense.

If someone is deteriorating from the viral infection, s/he goes to the ER or hospital and gets a DIAGNOSIS. All medical facilities WILL test for CV-19 now because THERE'S A PANDEMIC. The current issue about the lack of testing, from what I can gather, only extends to the population at large. So we can't get tested if we're not getting so sick that we must seek medical intervention.

A family member of mine works as a physical therapy assistant with a large regional health care provider. She can get tested for CV-19, but only if her symptoms approach the standard syndrome of CV-19. Otherwise, she must self-isolate until her symptoms subside. Even then, she can't qualify for getting a test. So that means that she CAN get infected and, on her own, resist the virus and resolve the infection, but NEVER know that her infection was from CV-19. That's not the same as going to ER, or to hospital, with the whole complement of CV-19 symptoms, be ordered to go on a ventilator, and NOT be diagnosed as having caught the virus. Worse yet, it's not the same as dying from the virus and never getting a diagnosis. That likely won't happen.

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:53 PM

47. The red states just lost Joe Diffie. That might break the spell.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:08 PM

48. are they doing autopsies?

Why?

If a person tests positive, is symptomatic and on ventilator and dies of the virus, why would there need to be an autopsy that would require resources?

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #48)

Wed Apr 1, 2020, 08:16 AM

49. My first time in a nursing home, a nurse effed up and almost killed me.

I alerted the next nurse in the following shift and she was able to reverse what the first one had done (back in 2012). I'm still here because of that second nurse, but if I had been in a coma, I wouldn't have caught the mistake.

My lesson here is that if an elderly person passes in a facility, it could be "just their time" and nobody would know the truth.

Call me crazy, but something of this magnitude should have accurate statistics for future reference (even if Der Fuehrer looks bad because of it). The symptoms of COVID are similar to other respiratory illnesses. We absolutely should know the cause of death.

It would be easier to put a swab up someone's nose if they're stiff and can't resist anyway. I had it done to me once and thought they struck brain tissue.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:24 AM

13. Late testing increases fatality rate. The media need to learn this and to inform the country!

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Response to blitzen (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:52 AM

20. Yes, late testing increases fatality rate. Zero testing increases it even further.

Ideally, on-time or routine testing would catch things earlier, making quarantines more effective.

Better late than never.

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Response to blitzen (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:04 AM

27. Testing numbers don't have a direct correlation to fatality ...

... numbers. Inadequate testing increases the infectionís spread. Increased numbers of infected increases the number of fatalities. Itís an indirect relationship.

I suppose more testing might get people into care earlier, and that could have a minimal impact on survivability. But by and large, people will succumb whether they were tested or not.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:08 AM

28. The study suggests that the impact on survivability is not merely minimal. n/t

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Response to blitzen (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:40 AM

32. except it kind of doesn't. nt

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Response to blitzen (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:49 AM

36. Inadequate testing means more people are ...

... going to be infected. That means more people will die. That is certainly NOT minimal. I did not mean to imply otherwise.

All Iím saying is that the actual, physical act of testing has no direct relationship to a patientís mortality. Testing only identifies people who are infected, and shapes our response to the spread.

People are using a shortcut when they say ďlate testing means more fatalitiesĒ. Indirectly itís accurate, but we need to understand the how and the why.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:36 AM

15. Trump treats this country like a reality TV show

It's all about the numbers with this idiot. He didn't want to let people get off a cruise ship because it would bring up the "bad" numbers. He tweets about the ratings going up for his press conferences, the "good" numbers to him. He needs to go!

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:37 AM

16. I am putting on my tinfoil hat

Lets assume, for a moment, that Trump is not an idiot, that he knows exactly what he is doing.

I believe it is reasonably safe to assume that the people hardest hit by the effects of the Coronavirus will be the minority populations. The people with no clout, no insurance, Blacks, Hispanics, the working poor. People who are used to going to work sick, people who don't go to doctors. People with insurance will be the first in line for medical treatment because, business is business. We have already seen this in action. Is it possible that Trump is willing to sacrifice some "very good people" in order to eliminate these potential Democratic voters from the pool to get an edge in the election?

It would be harder for a minority, minimum wage Wal-Mart employ to get a ventilator than to pass a camel through the eye of a needle.

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:55 AM

22. Yes, spot on,

Trump is ok with people dying in big cities because most of those people vote Democratic.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:56 AM

45. And the elderly because they are using SSA and Medicare (the "takers"!)

Which the Rethugs have been itching to gut for decades.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:47 AM

17. I can hear tRump now saying "it's not my fault, I'm not a Doctor!" Shrug....


ď You should listen to what the Drís say, not to meĒ

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:51 AM

19. If China can beat this we can...if we had a leader.

Without determining who has it & who doesn't this could go indefinitely. Or till we get a real president.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:57 AM

25. This started early on in Washington

They reported they had a young girl who tested positive. He told them to stop testing.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:59 AM

26. I'm not explaining myself well enough.

By not testing, more people are going to die. Trump is ok with that so long as they are not counted as Coronavirus deaths.

They don't test dead people, they bury them unless the family requests an autopsy.

Our numbers are much under-reported because we aren't testing. China may have given out false numbers to the world but China tested and knew the real numbers.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:24 AM

30. It's not just that there're inadequate test kits, they're not expedited to obtain results.

People are reporting that it's taking a week+ to get results. The medical information starkly demonstrates that the illness spikes in severity (if that's the course for particular people depending on their conditions and the viral load that infected them) during or shortly before the second week of infection. If expedited testing results were available within 12-24 hours instead of a week or more, people could be removed and quarantined in medical facilities sooner to mitigate and treat the infections.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:32 AM

31. His co, the only one contracted to provide tests nation wide isn't capable of volume.

That's another reason he doesn't want tests done widely, he wants to profit off every single one and it irks him that Labquest, and hospitals have developed their own so he doesn't have as much control or profit over this as he wants. In a fit of ongoing pique, he still doesnt want us tested because of 2 reasons
1 - as you say he wants to hide the numbers because they show his abject personal failure
2 - profits for him is all he truly cares about besides re-election because he knows otherwise he is in jail

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Response to lark (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 09:46 AM

35. That's what I was trying to say, thanks.

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Response to lark (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:04 AM

38. THIS.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:05 AM

39. If Trump accuses China of doing this, then Trump is definitely doing this.

He's projecting again. He still wants to pretend like it's under control so he can reopen businesses again. Then infections will really peak the curve. What an asshole.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:07 AM

40. He's trying to make it worse not better now

So he can declare the election's postponement until they can be assured it's rigged for them and trump.

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Response to duforsure (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:18 AM

41. If that happens he may very well do that.

but by under-reporting infections and deaths, if he can keep the fake numbers under 100,000 deaths he will declare victory and run on that.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:19 AM

42. Everyone in the DC Metreo area

Keep spitting in the Big Macs.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:40 AM

43. Here's a shocker - he's a moron

Testing is likely to reveal the numbers are higher. BFD. That's not news. Every epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist in the world is telling us the numbers are higher than those being reported now. We're already "Number One." Testing is not going to change that. (BTW, yes, I know, there are those here who insist on using per capita info, and on that list we're nowhere near number 1.)

Testing will not have an effect on the number of deaths, but it will have an impact on the case fatality rates, and that information could be very revealing. This could be either good or bad, but in any case it's valuable information. For example, at the moment, why is the case fatality rate apparently so high in Italy and not as high here?

Why am I even writing this. We all know that he's stupid beyond imagining, and it's horrifying to think there are multiple generations of his followers who are equally, and possibly even more, stupid. More data is better than less data. I don't think Eisenhower in WWII ever said, Nah, we don't need to know about the disposition of enemy troops, my gut tells me. . .

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:54 AM

44. IT WAS INEVITABLE

 

It has been apparent from the beginning that this fleck of feces
was going to kill as many as he could. That is what sociopaths do.
It doesn't matter that he is killing his base: he is jonesing for that adoration
from his followers
In his death throws, he will lash out at anyone in sight.



May his Karma be manifest!!



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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:12 AM

46. Agreed. But what he actually said, when Gov Bullock told Dr. Fauci about the lack of tests,

is 'I haven't heard that'.

But he said that right after he heard that, from Gov. Bullock's own lips. Said it in response to hearing it from Bullock, that's how we can tell he heard it.

So I'm not quibbling semantically with you about 'seen' vs 'heard', your point's valid either way.

Just pointing out a reality denying verbal tactic from dRump and his nazi buddies, that they've been deploying a lot more recently: when you hear something that shows just how sucky you are, something that really makes you look bad, hurts your cause, just say 'I haven't heard that', and you've categorically addressed it, because you denied it, said it's not true, so the discussion's over.

Dismiss it by claiming you haven't heard it, though you just heard it. That allows you to then never follow up on it. You're telling the person who delivered the unwanted knowledge to you that you aren't even going to put it into your memory banks, you find the statement of fact false, so you're not letting it even enter your mind.


I'd like to see the reporters and opposing politicians counter his cheap rhetorical 3 card monty con by saying, 'No, you JUST heard it. So you HAVE heard it, a second ago. Now that you HAVE heard it, what are you going to do about it?'

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