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Mon Apr 6, 2020, 06:51 PM

America is not the same anymore

Warn your shipmates about a virus and you're called stupid. Raise a concern about hospital supplies and you're belittled. Protect a whistle blower and you get fired.

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Reply America is not the same anymore (Original post)
Ohioboy Apr 2020 OP
texasfiddler Apr 2020 #1
DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #7
pazzyanne Apr 2020 #11
Ahpook Apr 2020 #14
CountMyVote4Reality Apr 2020 #19
ornotna Apr 2020 #15
BadgerMom Apr 2020 #21
DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #26
stopdiggin Apr 2020 #38
Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #2
rurallib Apr 2020 #6
stillcool Apr 2020 #28
Chainfire Apr 2020 #3
Deep State Gnostic Apr 2020 #4
MasonDreams Apr 2020 #42
Deep State Gnostic Apr 2020 #43
warmfeet Apr 2020 #5
BadgerMom Apr 2020 #22
KT2000 Apr 2020 #8
Eko Apr 2020 #9
Beartracks Apr 2020 #33
The Sparrow Apr 2020 #10
elocs Apr 2020 #12
Meowmee Apr 2020 #27
elocs Apr 2020 #31
Meowmee Apr 2020 #32
Beartracks Apr 2020 #34
elocs Apr 2020 #35
stopdiggin Apr 2020 #39
VWolf Apr 2020 #37
keithbvadu2 Apr 2020 #13
the_sly_pig Apr 2020 #17
MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #25
vapor2 Apr 2020 #16
johnthewoodworker Apr 2020 #18
sarcasmo Apr 2020 #20
jayschool2013 Apr 2020 #23
Celerity Apr 2020 #29
jayschool2013 Apr 2020 #30
ancianita Apr 2020 #24
dlk Apr 2020 #36
Blue Owl Apr 2020 #40
Loge23 Apr 2020 #41

Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 06:56 PM

1. This is exactly what is different. Science used to be

Respected. Now it is politicized by Fox and right wing media as alarmist and radical.

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Response to texasfiddler (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:23 PM

7. Amazing

the power that the hateful bible thumpers are having on our nation........

Another thing to look at for a perspective, is how each religious group feels about ALL OTHER religions.

I love asking a Lutheran for example, how they view the catholics or jewish.......

WASF

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:35 PM

11. Your talking to the wrong people.

As a practicing Lutheran for 70 years, I have never heard any fellow Lutherans dissing other religious groups. That is my personal experiences.

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:48 PM

14. Same here

I grew up Lutheran, but do not participate anymore. In my time I never heard any disparaging remarks about anyone or anything.

Quite the opposite actually

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:30 PM

19. +1

I agree.

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:10 PM

15. Former practicing Lutheran of many years

Two different synods. I can't recall anyone ever dissing any other religions.

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Response to ornotna (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:32 PM

21. Formerly practicing Lutheran here, too.

Same-same.

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Response to ornotna (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:38 PM

26. Wasn't saying Lutherans specifically, just named them arbitrarily.

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Response to ornotna (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 02:24 PM

38. right. utterly, utterly conservative

(socially) in some synods .. but slamming other religious groups? Nope. Not that I ever saw.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 07:01 PM

2. It hasn't been for a long time

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:16 PM

6. change started in1981.......

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Response to rurallib (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:42 PM

28. like turning on a switch..

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 07:03 PM

3. You are certainly right

I would also add that professionals are ignored and "gut feelings" are accepted. Lies are accepted as normal. Ignorance is celebrated and education is maligned. Churches have become political country clubs and self professed Christians are the most mean spirited people in our society. Military heroes are fired and draft dodgers command the armed services.

We have gone down the rabbit hole of insatiable greed to an upside down world.

I am a veteran who was proud to serve, but the America I loved has gone; we have to find a way to retrieve it.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 07:15 PM

4. Styx: Suite Madame Blue

 

Time after time I sit and I wait for your call
I know I'm a fool but why can I say
Whatever the price I'll pay for you,
Madame Blue
Once long ago, a word from your lips and the world turned around
But somehow you've changed, you're so far away
I long for the past and dream of the days with you
,
Madame Blue

Suite Madame Blue, gaze in your looking glass
You're not a child anymore
Suite Madame Blue, the future is all but past
Dressed in your jewels, you made your own rules
You conquered the world and more, heaven's door

Oh

America, America, America, America
America, America, America, America
America, America, America, America
America, America, America, America
America, America, America, America
America, America, America, America

Red white and blue, gaze in your looking glass
You're not a child anymore
Red, white, and blue, the future is all but past
So lift up your heart, make a new start
And lead us away from here

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Response to Deep State Gnostic (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 07:33 PM

42. Thank you, O wise one, we all must return to Kansas.

We must know that we know, and, centered in that knowledge, lift up our hearts.

My strength is as the strength of ten, because my heart is pure.

Thanks, I am once again shielded from the Sparks of the tempest

Divine slack now dissolves in my bloodstream, please tell me more Elaine Pagels about this man named Thomas.

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Response to MasonDreams (Reply #42)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:55 PM

43. Thank you for your very interesting reply!

 

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:10 PM

5. Well,

what are you going to do about it? We still have choices. I am going to fight. I am not giving up.

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Response to warmfeet (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:32 PM

22. Me, too!

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:26 PM

8. Good and decent people removed

from government positions almost daily.
Increasing population of stupid people who think elections are a big joke.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:32 PM

9. They are breakers.

What I said last night.
"They are breakers and they are breaking us. It wasn't Dump who did this. It was the normal right wing friend, co-worker and acquaintance that did this. They gave him his power and now he is using that to show how the government, our government is useless. To prove that point he is willing to let tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands or even millions die. That is what our right wing normal person will even say when this is over. Its proof for them that the government cant save us only private companies can. For a price of course. The fact that that price is easier to pay for those that have held power for so long, those that want to amend the "we" is not a coincidence. Its the point. Its far past the time for us to realize that they are breakers and to act accordingly." https://democraticunderground.com/100213239970

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Response to Eko (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:38 AM

33. Yep: To "prove" that government can't work, Republicans get elected and fuck it up.

There is nothing wrong with government that getting Republicans out of it can't fix.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:33 PM

10. Is ok

 

we are American strong

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Response to elocs (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:39 PM

27. If they were of good conscience they would have voted hrc etc.

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Response to elocs (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 02:15 AM

32. Sorry, must have misunderstood

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Response to elocs (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:57 AM

34. And they tell themselves, "My hands are clean because I didn't vote." But...

... you cannot escape responsibility in a democracy. It's impossible. Non-votes are just as responsible for election results as are votes. A non-vote is like a "passive" vote, but it pulls a lever just as surely as does a vote.

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Response to elocs (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 02:35 PM

39. but, but, but .. if we punish them enough?

won't the Democrats finally realize that they have to pay attention?
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Response to elocs (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 12:47 PM

37. Reminds me of a bumper sticker

"Bad leaders get elected by people who don't vote"

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:46 PM

13. Get convicted of a war crime and actually go to prison - Trump pardons/releases you.

Get convicted of a war crime and actually go to prison - Trump pardons/releases you.

Former US Army 1st Lt. Clint Lorance

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:18 PM

17. Oliver North.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:37 PM

25. Navy Seal

Eddie Gallagher pardoned after being found guilty by Navy court.
Now a popular Captain is fired for trying to protect his crew?
Morale has to be great in the Navy now!

Heck of a job, Trumpie!

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:15 PM

16. if you're a war criminal

(Gallagher) the president will defend you. WTF is wrong with this picture?

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:20 PM

18. We are nothing special. Germany was transformed into a nazi country after Hitler won the election

with about 36% of the vote in 1932. It was still Germany, it had Octoberfest, people still worked, had pets raised families, but it was all different. We've lost this country. It's still America, but it's different. We will still have the super bowl, American idol, uber wealthy, but our country is no longer a democratic America. Keep safe. Do what you can. Put up a good fight. Per Mark Twain; 'History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes'.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:31 PM

20. We live in Trumpistan .

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:33 PM

23. Christian zealots and libertarian "philosophy"

Christian zealots and libertarian "philosophy" have made the U.S. ungovernable.

When Republicans are in charge, they cater to the crazy exemplified by Christianists and libertarians to the point where they make the government bankrupt, weak, ineffectual and corrupt.

When Democrats are in charge, the aforementioned groups pitch such a fit that little of consequence can happen. Something as middle-of-the-road as Obamacare becomes some sign of "tyranny" to them, and they entrench themselves further into their nutty fantasy worlds of Christian republics and anarchy.

We are ungovernable, and it makes me sad.

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Response to jayschool2013 (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:47 PM

29. third leg of that stool of death, racists/white nationalists nt

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Response to Celerity (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:49 PM

30. YES

And thank you.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:35 PM

24. I've been and remain a fighter. But lately, once a week, I have to sit down and just grieve.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 11:33 AM

36. Thank you, GOP!

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 02:59 PM

40. The criminals and their morons have infiltrated the highest ranks

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 7, 2020, 03:30 PM

41. Totally true.

We can rage on about it here and on other SM, but the facts are the facts: We have a criminal enterprise as an administration and a sizable portion of the electorate are their dupes.

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