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SouthernCal_Dem

(851 posts)
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 08:49 PM Apr 2020

Are any other countries dealing with this bullshit or is this strictly an American thing?

The Covidiots, Branch Covidians, or whatever else you want to call these jackasses are protesting governors trying to keep us safe from a deadly virus circling the globe.

Why the fuck would you protest that?

Are any other countries dealing with this bullshit or is this strictly an American thing?


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Bernardo de La Paz

(48,786 posts)
1. Brazil virus is blowing up. Bolsonaro fired his Health Minister yesterday because he advised
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 08:53 PM
Apr 2020

stay-at-home and a lot of commonsense health measures. Accused the speaker of trying to replace him.

Governors of regions are resisting him and instituting cautionary measures.

SouthernCal_Dem

(851 posts)
10. So it looks like a similar situation in Brazil?
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:30 AM
Apr 2020

Governors going with commonsense measures while the President is insane?

What I'm also curious about are the protests.

I haven't seen other countries with the type of protests we're seeing.

It seems to only be happening in the US?

LakeArenal

(28,713 posts)
2. Not in Costa Rica.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 08:53 PM
Apr 2020

Our Presidente is way progressive than dump.
Even restrictions on driving according to the last digit on our license plate.

We recommend it.

Takket

(21,424 posts)
5. Sweden/UK
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 09:15 PM
Apr 2020

Sweden went for the "fuck it, we'll just let people die" approach, which is shocking for a country I considered progressive but maybe i'm just clueless on Swedish politics. anyway it has, as the models told them, been a disaster. And the UK resisted quarentining but I don't think they have people protesting pro-death right now.....

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
12. Sweden actually is not doing that badly
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:47 AM
Apr 2020

But is needs to be understood that people are taking precautions even if the government doesn't require it.

Celerity

(42,645 posts)
17. we (Sweden) did NOT go for a "fuck it, we'll just let people die" approach
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 02:27 AM
Apr 2020

I disagree with what we are attempting to do, but that is a vastly inaccurate statement.

What they are trying to do is thread the needle and get to herd immunity (or hold it on a slow burn until a vaccine comes) without blowing out the healthcare system and also not completely blowing out the economy, both of which they are succeeding at so far.

They are banking on a couple of big things.

1. Keep all or almost all of schools under high school level open, to aid in the reaching of herd immunity. The 17 and under death rate is almost non existent here and elsewhere. The schools are a large driver driver and natural source of herd immunity for multiple 'normal' diseases each year in all nations.

Look at NYC, to see how low the lethality rate is for 17yo's and under:



The theory goes that you allow the schoolchildren to become superspreaders AND, at the same time you sequester the 10 to 20% of the high-risk population, so that you reach herd immunity FAR faster (and thus have no 2nd, even 3rd waves) than nations who go for a total shutdown, and thus almost guarantee 2nd and 3rd waves, plus destroy their economies to a far greater degree.

2. The government here has shut down all groups over 50 and there are a LOT of other restrictions as well. The government is banking on the population acting in a responsible way, which is problematic and depends what one labels as 'responsible'.

As for it being a 'disaster' that remains to be seen.

Compare Sweden to Belgium (a nation that did go, fairly early, to a full lockdown)

The other Nordic nations have lower death rates per 1 million than Sweden, but there are issues with how they are reporting deaths as well. (We need a GLOBAL standard ASAP.) There sia lot of sniping back and forth between the Swedish health officials and those in Norway, Denmark, and Finland.

We have roughly the same populations, and we are both being very open with the transparency in terms of stats. It also is difficult to look at the day-over-day Swedish deaths, as they are not (data-wise) evenly distributed by a straight 24 hour period. At the national briefing today, they said the average death rate is around 45 per day when you count up the exact death in a given 24-hour period and average out those figures.

Sweden also, now, finally is going to go to a massive testing level, something that Belgium is also doing.

Sweden has 10.1 million, Belgium has 11.6 million

Sweden's deaths are massively concentrated into 2 areas, (1) the extremely elderly, who are very concentrated into elder care (nursing) homes, and then (2) the large immigrant/refugee areas, who are not practising the same lifestyle changes that the other areas are (and Sweden has a vastly higher amount of immigrants/refugees than the other Nordic nations do, which explains PARTIALLY our higher rates. That is an extraordinarily sensitive subject here, especially when we are compared to the other Nordics, who have looked on with horror (especially Denmark and then Norway to a wee bit lesser extent) for years at what Sweden did in terms of immigration/refugee intake.)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/







here are the nations listed in terms of deaths per 1 million in population




Will we ultimately succeed? That, my friend is the brillion kronor question. I hope for the nation's sake they do.

Worried2020

(444 posts)
9. Both our Prime Minister and the Premier of the Province I live in,
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 10:32 PM
Apr 2020

Ontario,

are more popular than ever since they enacted stay at home and distancing laws, shutting down non-essential businesses and so on without much resistance or complaints from the populace.

I don't see any locally, either.

We have people not strictly abiding by the distancing thing, but they are in the minority, and not adopting mob mentality.

I'm an old fart - if I catch this thing, I die.

Been basically self-quarantined for a month now . . .

This little bug scares the pants offa me.



W

brettdale

(12,331 posts)
11. stay at home social distancing has worked well in New Zealand
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:36 AM
Apr 2020

We havent had people protesting at all, there have been a handful of arrests, for
people going boating, one guy went to a supermarket with covid, and a guy purposely coughed
at someone in a supermarket and lived streamed it, hes in jail now.

But no one is protesting.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
13. The problem in the US things like this
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 01:49 AM
Apr 2020

quickly become political, so rational thought goes out the window, and it becomes an "us vs them" thing.

Chellee

(2,086 posts)
16. The thing I like about this photo,
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 02:08 AM
Apr 2020

is how the people in the building couldn't care less. Besides the photographer, you can see the one guy standing off to the side, and a guy in a white sweater, presumably going through some kind of security checkpoint. Neither one even remotely paying attention to these screaming loons. I love that.

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