Nonpublic weird beliefs of mormons

[Laurajr]

http://www.lifeaftermormonism.net/profiles/blogs/101-nonpublic-or-weird-beliefs-of-mormons


I think #23 is very interesting....when the U.S. constitution hangs by a thread a Mormon will save the country....that's who Mitt thinks he is....in an interview Ann repeated several times "Mitt will save the country"

# 14 Made me laugh.... the garden of Eden was really in Missouri...ha I lived there let me tell you it is no garden of Eden!

[LiberalFighter]

1. Sports should not be played on Sunday?

Steve Young QB San Francisco

Mormons in the NFL 2011

Brandon Bair, DL, Chiefs, Oregon
John Beck, QB, Redskins, BYU
Austin Collie, WR, Colts, BYU
Chris Cooley, TE, Redskins, Utah State
*Christian Cox, LB, Patriots, Utah
*Kevin Curtis, WR, Titans, Utah State
Stewart Bradley, LB, Cardinals, Nebraska
John Denney, LS, Dolphins, BYU
Jonathan Fanene, DL, Bengals, Utah
*Max Hall, QB, Cardinals, BYU
Todd Heap, TE, Cardinals, Arizona State
Chris Hoke, DL, Steelers, BYU
Bryan Kehl, LB, Rams, BYU
Brett Keisel, DL, Steelers, BYU
Paul Kruger, DL, Ravens, Utah
Spencer Larsen, FB, Broncos, Arizona
Deuce Lutui, OL, Cardinals, Southern California
Fili Moala, DL, Colts, Southern California
*Tony Moeaki, TE, Chiefs, Iowa
Haloti Ngata, DL, Ravens, Oregon
Dennis Pitta, TE, Ravens, BYU
Brady Poppinga, LB, Rams, BYU
Sione Pouha, DT, Jets, Utah
Samson Satele, C, Raiders, Hawaii
Vic So’oto, LB, Packers, BYU
Will Tukuafu, DT, 49ers, Oregon
#Harvey Unga, RB, Bears, BYU
Eric Weddle, DB, Chargers, Utah
*Injured reserve
#Exempt status
Practice squad players
Matt Asiata, RB, Vikings, Utah
Stanley Havili, RB, Eagles, USC
Garrett Mills, TE, Patriots, Tulsa
Dallas Reynolds, OL, Eagles, BYU

[blueamy66]

54. My guy laughs at the Mormon churches/temples as we drive by them on our way to the sports bar on

Sunday and calls the men inside tools for being forced to be in church and not watching football.

At least Catholics have Saturday night and Sunday night masses, so as not to miss important football.

Oh, and those Mormon football players.....if they get to play on Sunday, they TITHE MORE!!!!!

[xmas74]

88. Our pastor always makes a comment about praying for the Chiefs at the end of services,

then says "Even prayer won't help them" and goes on to release us by 11:30-plenty of time to get home and watch the start of the game.

[blueamy66]

93. Can I get an AMEN?

[piratefish08]

2. so you're okay with the story of paradise in the Garden, talking snakes and all.....

the funny part is Missouri?





we're doomed.

[marions ghost]

5. You can take all that as symbolism like in the Bible

--even the white Salamander.

It's the more concrete rules for living that are actively followed that bother me.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. I think the 'Mitt comes to save the Constitution' part is worthy of note...did you miss that bit

when reading the OP? All you saw was Garden of Eden? Seriously? That whole 'he will save us' bit does not seem 'funny' to you?

[piratefish08]

20. I'm an atheist. the whole 'anyone' will save us bit seems funny to me......

people see what they want to see, believe what they want to believe and attribute the ridiculously silly shit to symbolism.

like every religion. this one's just newer.

[DefenseLawyer]

41. Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally.

It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

[smirkymonkey]

45. LOL!

Blessed are the Greek!

[xmas74]

89. If you saw the area of Missouri you'd understand the joke.

It's a big joke in parts of Missouri, especially since that area is known for meth labs.

[Laurajr]

3. I don't believe in the garden of Eden...Period

[Bluenorthwest]

7. But do you believe that Mitt has come to save the Constitution and America?

It's nice that you don't believe in that story, but what about the rest of the OP? Why comment only on that one bit? Why not the rest of the crazy dogma?

[Laurajr]

31. Geesh

I made a quick comment before I ran out the door for work and I get beat up here....friendly group thanks for the welcome

[Jim Lane]

33. I agree with you

You can comment on one item in a list without commenting on the others.

There's a tendency on DU (and in every other group I've ever been part of, online and in meatspace) to read too much into what people don't say. This was an example, unfortunately.

DU often is a friendly group. Sometimes, though, things get a little heated. You should see what happens when someone says something good or something bad about Ralph Nader.

[Raine]

34. People do that a lot here, don't take it

personally. I *think* sometimes they're being sarcastic. I've been here for years and got beat up something fierce last week for commenting on fashion. I finally ended up deleting my response totally but I just keep right on posting.

[marions ghost]

4. interesting site for ex-Mormons

I remember I had a very nice friend in school whose family was LDS. I don't know about the other stuff (seems to be a very comprehensive list) but she told me that "the moon will turn to blood" at the second coming. I realize this can be taken as symbolism rather than literally, but I remember it made a big impression on me as a kid. I was fascinated by her conviction of this as literal truth.

She also told me that her family kept a year's worth of survival food as instructed by the church. If the situation gets any worse (like if Romney gets elected) that might come in handy...

I think it's fair to look at the beliefs of presidential candidates. Certainly Obama's have been delved into. It's possible that Bombney has a messianic complex fueled by doctrinal belief that a Mormon will save the country. I can imagine that is possible, given his personality.

I'm familiar with and study mass psychology so I appreciate your posting this website. I also have watched "Out of Order" about the ex-Amish.

It's OK to talk about this. Nothing untruthful about what is posted at this site. It seems a valid perspective. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

[boppers]

50. All Christians believe the moon will turn to blood. All of them.

At least, they do if they consider the bible to be accurate.

http://bible.cc/acts/2-20.htm

[marions ghost]

57. OK so that's where it comes from

--thanks.

Most Christian sects don't take it literally however. There's a lot in the Bible that's allegorical, meant to be applied in general terms, not the literal truth. The moon turning to blood is positively magical. OK the moon might turn "blood red"...but most people would say they don't think it will literally turn into blood without Harry Potter. Me, I don't believe we know if it's true or not. It remains one of the mysteries of Christian belief.

I see that Mormons actually believe this literally.

[WinkyDink]

69. The KJ Bible is known for its poetry. As in: metaphors.

[regnaD kciN]

86. Bullshit

I just love it when atheists presume to tell me they know what I believe better than I do.



Virtually every branch of mainstream Christianity regards the book of Revelation to be a symbolic document not to be read literally. Many simply describe it as a coded message sent to Christians living under persecution, encouraging them to persevere, and using bizarre imagery to refer to current people and events, with the point being that, if it fell into the hands of the Roman authorities, they wouldn't be able to make head not tail of what it was all about. Even mainstream denominations who don't hold to the "coded message" view consider the images in the book to be symbolic rather than a literal prediction of the future.

[boppers]

95. Is the bible accurate, or not?

Yes or no.

Your answer seems to indicate that: "Well, it's not true, and doesn't mean what is says it does, but if you believe in God, it can mean something that is true, metaphorically".

Atheists don't laugh at the child who is fooled by a magic trick, they laugh at the adult who is still fooled.

[AsahinaKimi]

8. two of them were way out there...

66. Dinosaur fossils are to test our faith, and likely came from matter left over from past destroyed planets that were used/recycled to create Earth

88. There are people living on the moon. LINK They dress much like Quakers and they are tall, many standing seven feet tall or more. One day we will send missionaries to teach them the gospel. There are also people living on the sun. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 217


people living on the sun? Lets see...the sun's surface temperature is 5,500 °C. But, let me guess, they only come out at night.

[JoeyT]

27. People living on the moon/sun is pretty crazy.

Seems like we might have found those moon people when we were up there.

The other, that fossils are created to test the faith of believers or just plain put there by Satan used to be mainstream creationist thought.

Now mainstream creationist thought (At least the young earth version: The most common one among the general population.) is that T-Rex and Spinosaurus lived at the same time as humans, but it's ok because they were vegetarians. The huge scary pointed teeth were for cracking coconuts, which is why the story of Moses leading his people around didn't read like a Jurassic Park/Bible crossover fanfic.

[AsahinaKimi]

30. heh...

He probably hated star wars too!

[oldhippydude]

82. easy now........ the Moonies have been around for years

[Tyrs WolfDaemon]

40. They are only partially right about the moon. There are people there, but they aren't Quakers

They are from one of the Lost Tribes of Asgard!

NASA has seen the truth but won't tell anyone:

[AsahinaKimi]

42. That must have been

A hell of a long row.. holding their breaths! ^^

[Tyrs WolfDaemon]

53. We are a hardy people. A little lack of air is just a mild annoyance.

Just think of us as being like the Black Knight from Monty Python, except that we're Vikings.

[2pooped2pop]

9. white horse prophecy

look it up.

Spread it around to the "other Christian" groups.

This should make them all very against Mitt since at least one other "Christian" religion (fundy) already has plans for their religion to be the one religion of Murika.


They will not want Mittens in that spot.

[onethatcares]

10. back in the day I attended Assemblies of God church and

they called Mormonism a cult.

Now they support the mittster.

I guess dogma changes occassionally when a socialist, markist, black guy from Kenya that was a community
organizer is in the house.

[el_bryanto]

11. The opening paragraph is interesting

And kind of renders the purpose of the list moot. If you are going to hold Romney (or any other Mormon) responsible for this list, that's a bit sad. Some of these things are accurate (the Constitution holding on by a thread is an actual quote that many Mormons still believe), and others aren't (no it seems unlikely there are Quakers on the moon). The author makes no attempt to determine how widespread a "weird" belief is.

Also a lot of the disturbing ones are to do with end times or armegeddon days - those are problematic, but end times prophecies play a role in many religions.

Full disclosure, I am also a Mormon.

Bryant

[Bluenorthwest]

12. But man will NEVER walk on the Moon!

Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith, 1961:
"We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen."

[el_bryanto]

13. Good point. I gather the Joseph Fielding Smith was wrong in that

unless, of course, they staged the moon landing.

Bryant

[Greybnk48]

17. My grandfather believed the moon landing was staged.

He had a third grade education. He also did not believe that my chihuahua was an actual dog! LOL!

[Bluenorthwest]

18. The man was 'the prophet' and he said 'write it down'

He was very wrong. Did you note that he also said we'd never get into space? Not just the Moon, into space....
When one claims to be speaking as God's proxy, 'I gather he was wrong' is a really weak response. Men in that same position now tell LDS to come after the rights of their LGBT neighbors based on what they say God tells them to say, same God who told them we'd never get into space. Can you see why that is a serious issue? To me it is sad that people will harm others over what they know is often very wrong while claiming to be divinely correct.

[el_bryanto]

22. What sort of response would be acceptable?

In Mormon belief there was only one perfect man and that was Christ; that implies that all men, even Prophets, are capable of making mistakes.

Also I oppose Government Sanctioned marriages for anybody, straight or gay; the Government should issue licenses or contracts to provide the legal protections of marriage to any couple (straight or gay) who wishes them.

Bryant

[Bluenorthwest]

83. You know, the man said 'write it down' and yet when that is done, his request is

followed, and others say 'we wrote it down, you were wrong' great offense is taken. That's why bullshit trash talk is such a bad choice. People do write it down, and later they might mention it, because that man invited us all to do so.
If a man wants to be so challenging to others, he needs to be ready for the blowback when he's shown to be utterly full of crap. 'Write it down!' Perhaps if that hubris was absent, it would be easier to just laugh at it, but it is the hubris that allows for Prop 8 to exist, even after the facts show that LDS leadership is often more wrong than wrong can be. "I speak for God, but that one was a mistake, now God says go stop gay people from having rights."
Slow learners? Cake and eat it too? Either way, such arrogance coupled with willful ignorance is a threat to my community, and we don't shurg it off. We write it down.

[el_bryanto]

84. I think you might be extrapolating too much from that incident

But I'm not sure there is a productive way to talk about this.

[HillWilliam]

28. When any man says to you "G'd wants..." or "G'd says..." or "G'd hates..."

anything, then keep your hand firmly on your wallet and walk away quickly. You've encountered either a liar, a thief, a lunatic, or some combination thereof.

[boppers]

51. You are confusing "Apostle" with "Prophet".

If everything the Catholic church's cardinals said was held to the same standard, they'd seem like nut jobs, too.

[Angry Dragon]

21. Do you know of any Mormons that have served in the military??

[el_bryanto]

23. My Father and Brother; my Brother has since left the Church

I have known plenty of others though.

Bryant

[Angry Dragon]

25. Thank you

[braddy]

59. Mormons serve in the military, just in smaller numbers, Mitt's draft deferment was not for blacks

Utah ranks almost at the bottom for military enlistments, and black Mormons were not allowed church issued draft deferments, Mitt Romney's draft deferment was forbidden to black men who were Mormons.

No black man has ever received the Mormon draft deferment.

[Angry Dragon]

60. It is good to see that the LDS treat all their people the same

NOT

[xmas74]

90. I do.

I've had past coworkers who were military or married to military and were practicing LDS.

[Panasonic]

46. in the name of disclosure

Do you wear magic underwear?

[eridani]

49. Excessively personal question, don't you think? n/t

[el_bryanto]

61. I don't know why I would have to disclose that

What's your rationale?

[snooper2]

62. because it is cute

[JSK]

14. Mitt and the White Horse Prophecy

Roseanne Barr tweeted recently that while growing up in Salt Lake City, Romney was already talked about then by Mormons as our future president and "savior."

People are wary of Mormons for a reason - the "US Constitution hanging by a thread?" I wish more people were talking about it.

< From the time of his birth — March 13, 1947 — through adolescence and into manhood, the meshing of religion and politics was paramount in Mitt Romney’s life. Called “my miracle baby” by his mother, who had been told by her physician that it was impossible for her to bear a fourth child, Romney was christened Willard Mitt Romney in honor of close family friend and one of the richest Mormons in history, J. Willard Marriott...

Upon completion of his foreign mission, he immersed himself in the 1970 senatorial campaign of his mother, Lenore Romney, who was running against Phillip Hart in the Michigan general election. That same year, the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought...

Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.” >

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/

[jp11]

15. #10 Happened to Jesus but he didn't convert he just had to wait for people

to forget what people where he allegedly lived looked like or just ignore that fact completely.

Many of those beliefs are shared by other faiths.

[cleanhippie]

16. All religions have weird beliefs. Christians believe a man was literally ressurrected from the dead.

The point is, ALL religions believe weird and totally unrealistic things. Were you trying to make a bigger point here?

[Angry Dragon]

19. 46. Flip-flops are not to be worn in the church building

Willard is not allowed in the church

[xmas74]

91. I'm screwed.

I could never be LDS. I wear flip flops all the time when I have to drop something off at church or pick up my kid from activities.

[JohnnyBoots]

24. This could explain Mitt's aggressive presser on Libya

Word on the street is that it was Mitt himself who arranged that presser.

83. So long as the US/America's stay righteous, aka, primarily Christian and God fearing, they will not be attacked by foreign powers or enemies (stems from the tradition laid out in the Book of Mormon that righteousness equals protection from enemies by God etc).

[Rambis]

26. The garden of Eden is filled with Meth?

[LynneSin]

29. This was my one annoyance with a mormon and these bizarro laws

About a decade ago I attended a funeral for an old friend of my family. She was a lovely lady that lived until she was 85 and died of cancer. She lived a long life, had a wonderful family and when she got the cancer diagnosis she said she was done getting treatment (it was a serious one so any treatment would only just extend her life maybe a few extra months).

She was not Mormon but one of her 8 living children was a convert to Mormon.

During the funeral one of her other kids spoke about her and told a few wonderful stories about this lovely lady. He talked about how much she loved drinking her coca cola each day and as a tribute to her he asked all his siblings & their family to come up front and together they did a toast to mom. But instead of alcohol they were going to do a toast with coca-cola.

Everyone thought it was a nice tribute but the one kid, the mormon, stood up there and refused the glass of coke handed to him. His brother even looked at him and said 'just take the glass and raise it for mom'. The guy still refused the glass because 'I'm mormon we don't touch that stuff'.

I just thought it was so rude. Sure it was nice to stick with the faith but hell, he could have just taken the damn glass and held it out of respect for his mother. Instead he just stood there and scowled the entire time.

Sure perhaps someone could say about 'respecting his rights' but really - a damn glass of soda. YOu couldn't just hold it to be a part of what was a lovely family moment paying respect to a wonderful mother.

[RebelOne]

32. I could not read the whole list because I was laughing so much. n/t

[The Midway Rebel]

35. The Book of Mormon is based on a novel manuscript that Joseph Smith stole as an apprentice.

Follow the threads and draw your own conclusions. It is damned waky American history.

http://www.solomonspalding.info/reference.html

[Laurajr]

36. isn't that the plot of a new movie with Bradley Cooper

called THE WORD....wow kinda weird

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. All Religions Have Weird Beliefs Depending On Your Perspective

.

[Cleita]

38. To be fair all religions have weird beliefs.

Many religions preach about a hero, a second coming, a Messiah, King Arthur, all who are supposed to come on earth at a time of crisis and make things better. It isn't the weird beliefs that bother me, but that the Church of Latter Day Saints proselytize to a degree beyond that what other churches do. Forcing their children to be missionaries is part of it. Spend a few days in Utah and you will see what a theocracy, American style, is. They would like the whole USA to be like Utah. That's what bothers me about them.

[marions ghost]

58. true

+++++

[bhikkhu]

75. Not all are started by pathological liars and con men

...and in a weird way, the psyche of the founder seems to form the mold for the psyches of the followers, down over generations. There are good people in the mormon religion, but the pathological liar/con man still resides at the core.

A similar pattern can be seen in Calvinism, which formed a strain of thought in the founding of this country and still remains. The character there was more general bigotry than anything else.

[Arugula Latte]

85. Well, really, all "faiths" are based on myths, storie, lies, tales, legends, fantasy & some history.

The origins of the Big Three are obscured by time, but there was definitely a lot of hucksterism involved in the founding and promotion of the mainstream religions. Yeah, the Mormons believe a lot of crazy shit, but so do the believing Christians (and believing Muslims and believing Jews, etc.). It's just that mainstream Christianity strikes most Americans as slightly less insane because it's been around for ages and incorporated into the culture more. But, come on...a cracker becomes Jesus meat every Sunday? There isn't just a small amount of snake oil salesmen in the people pushing that stuff as a true miracle.

[Initech]

39. The prophets have spoken?

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. MMM MMM MM. I loves me some religious bigotry.

Yup yup

[Silent3]

81. An ex-member of a religion simply stating the facts about that religion...

...constitutes "bigotry"?

Or does it become "bigotry" because you know the reaction to those facts is likely to be incredulity, the bigotry being that we don't bend over backwards to pretend this stuff is perfectly sane, perhaps even commendable, so long as someone believes it strongly enough?

[Panasonic]

44. based on this, Rmoney sshould be banned and excommunicated from LDS

Because flip flops aren't allowed.

[Joey Liberal]

47. Glad that I'm just a Unitarian Universalist

Not so many rules.

[boppers]

52. That's only because they never can seem to make it out of committee.

[Jackpine Radical]

78. That's what UU church committees are for.

[Gabi Hayes]

48. holy banana hammock!

http://www.mormontopics.org/eng/garments

as in sacred undies

[oberliner]

55. Denigrating Mormonism is OK?

In light of recent events, isn't that a little hypocritical?

[physioex]

56. Relax.....

At least we are being fair...

[snooper2]

63. we have to make fun of all religions..

It's the only hope for our young folks, we get through them with HUMOR!

[oberliner]

64. Even if it might incite violence?

Where do you draw the line?

[snooper2]

67. not our job to control other people's actions..

[oberliner]

68. I agree with you

Not sure that this is the majority opinion on this site though.

[WinkyDink]

70. Heh.

[FSogol]

65. "So you're saying a once openly racist religion that says God is from Planet Kolob is not worthy of

ridicule?" - Frank Conniff

Also: "Yes, it's so wrong of me to make fun of a religion that allowed blacks to join as far back as 1978."

[oberliner]

66. What if angry Mormons start storming US embassies around the world?

Would we have to cool it then?

[WinkyDink]

71. Beware the Mormon Street!

[oberliner]

72. Is that Temple Street in Salt Lake City?

All roads lead to the temple!

[FSogol]

74. In suits and on bicycles? In pairs?

[oberliner]

76. It's a good thing nobody ever insults their prophet

Imagine what would happen if someone broadcasted a cartoonish parody of Joseph Smith!

[KansDem]

73. Who has the time to think this stuff up?

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on edit: Check out no. 29!

29. Kids or babies who die before reaching 8 years old are perfect and automatically get into heaven

What happens at age eight?

[JustAnotherGen]

77. Oh my!

10. If you have dark skin and convert to Mormonism, your skin will begin to lighten/whiten

[luvspeas]

80. Since they didn't allow any Black people until after 1978, this is very very troubling...

[JustAnotherGen]

92. I knew about that one

But I didn't know that if I converted to Mormonism I'd actually become a white person! :lmao:

[GoneOffShore]

79. Interesting read and a good insight into the cult.

[xmas74]

87. A LDS friend explained the whole "Garden of Eden" thing when I asked her years ago.

She said it's not the Garden of Eden from the Old Testament. She then went on to explain something about it being the place where Mormonism was supposed to grow and such.

Sometimes I still like to ask her about how Eden looks this week. Her response? "Still like a meth lab." (The area was basically one huge meth lab back in the 90's.)

[sarcasmo]

94. Religious insanity can be a funny thing.

[uppityperson]

97. Are FLDS, with their subjugation of women and rape of girls wholesome?They seem rather radical to me

Rather like your "radical Islam". Or do you not consider the FLDS as radical? Google them if you do not know of them.

[Major Nikon]

99. The SPLC designates FLDS as a hate group

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2005/spring/tempest-in-texas/the-prophet-speaks

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups

[Major Nikon]

98. Mormons are Christians

I have no idea why you'd think they aren't.

FLDS seems pretty radical and are about as fundamental as Mormons get and more closely resemble the original Mormon sects. If child rape isn't radical enough for you, google FLDS racism and see what happens.