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Mon May 4, 2020, 08:19 AM

All this chatter about a vaccine for COVID 19...by the end of the year.

Well, I tend to be extremely skeptical about this .I sense it is more misleading information generated by the tRump Campaign along with Big Pharma...the date alone is highly suspicious as it gets tRump's false hopes through the November Election...then, a vaccine can take a minimum of 18 months and historically been 5 years...

Yes, they are accessing past virus/vaccines on file with some of the screening steps already having been tested for safety...I fear that they will claim the vaccine is going to be effective, making monumental strives...but no one will know for sure...how could we...claiming the vaccine is available by end of the year, after November...

With opening up America prematurely, we sense many, many more COVID 19 deaths....but I think they will be minimized and or not recorded as COVID 19 related...false recording..." All is fine" message will we cheered.

tRump is into the big, big campaign bluff over a millennium. Be aware of such possibilities...just sayng...my gut instructs tell me so.

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Reply All this chatter about a vaccine for COVID 19...by the end of the year. (Original post)
FarPoint May 2020 OP
LisaL May 2020 #1
lark May 2020 #4
Proud Liberal Dem May 2020 #11
treestar May 2020 #2
ananda May 2020 #3
LisaL May 2020 #7
Igel May 2020 #5
LisaL May 2020 #6
FarPoint May 2020 #10
FarPoint May 2020 #8
MineralMan May 2020 #9
FarPoint May 2020 #12
MineralMan May 2020 #13

Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:23 AM

1. To get vaccine that fast, they would have to skip a lot of steps.

If you skip a lot of steps, you might end up with inefficient and potentially dangerous vaccine.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #1)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:40 AM

4. Exactly - I am not rushing out to get any vaccine deveoped in America or pushed by drummpf.

REally afraid the FDA will cut corners and allow defective, even deadly vaccines to be used out of pure political pressure. I plan to wait at least 60 days afterwards, even though I know I'll be chomping at the bit. Don't trust this government, or anything done in response to their pressure, at all. Now, if the vaccine is developed in NZ, I'd take it immediately. Of course, drumpf would probably block this because he wouldn't be profiting from it personally and it wouldn't kill us. It would miss both of his real targets.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #1)

Mon May 4, 2020, 11:22 AM

11. Might end up with

a "Cure" that really IS worse than the disease.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:23 AM

2. They can't put a deadline on things like this

Astounding that they think that's a thing.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 08:24 AM

3. The Oxford vaccine looks the most promising to me.

It's already been tested on Rhesus monkeys, and a huge
pharmaceutical company in India is going to start making
it next month.

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Response to ananda (Reply #3)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:41 AM

7. But are they going to provide it to the US?

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:37 AM

5. I think you misunderstand them.

Mostly they're not making things up. Trump's fairly clueless but emotional (in his own way). He hears about a therapy that involves deep UV penetration, he asks, "What's UV?" and he's told it's like sunlight. And it comes out the way it did at that now notorious press conference as something he's discussed and people will/should look into. (Then it gets translated by the media into "injecting sunlight". Trumpese is painful to listen to, but that's still not excuse for only knowing the 2-3 sentences that somebody edits out for spin, and then assuming that what was said had that spin. Not when it's a 20-second Google search and a 30-second read.)

That said, a number of vaccine researchers have said ("boasted" might be better) that they expect or hope to have their vaccines out much sooner than the conservative deadline of 18-24 months. And they might.

Then there are the more cautious, insisting that, really, it's still not clear if a vaccine is even going to work.

Some talk hope. Some talk caution. Some are extreme in both ways.

The allegation of under-recording deaths ultimately goes to trusting those working in each jurisdiction. The most "right wing" system, it turns out, was a large (D) city with a (D) governor and (D) legislature. NY.

Florida is a now famous case, but, as I've said before, the only people mislead were those who failed to try to understand the data. It was labeled as deaths by *residents*. And while we like to assume that words mean, for everybody, what we want them to mean for us, now, "resident" doesn't mean snowbird. It's a squirrelly thing to do, but they were really quite upfront about it. That's okay, a lot of people don't read the instructions before doing a school assignment or assembling things, or the helpful directions that come with OTC medicines, either.

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Response to Igel (Reply #5)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:41 AM

6. Again, they will have to skip a lot of steps to get a vaccine that fast.

And that could easily result in inefficient, and potentially dangerous vaccine.
There is also a company with an unproven technology that is attempting to make RNA vaccine. It had never produced an FDA approved vaccine before. I would be really concerned to try a vaccine based on unproven technology without all the step that need to be done to confirm its safety.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #6)

Mon May 4, 2020, 11:21 AM

10. Agreed....

I will tend to follow what France, Germany, England...what they are doing before I trust anything from these grifters~

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Response to Igel (Reply #5)

Mon May 4, 2020, 10:56 AM

8. Even just keeping the issue simple...

tRump will try and sell the Brooklyn Bridge to his base in New York if he needed to do it to win an election...tRump is probably pushing this vaccine by the end of the year for viewing himself as a great leader and successful....while this is just a delusional thin king moment once again for the tRumpsters.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2020, 11:13 AM

9. As an example of fast development and availability of a vaccine,

look at the time line for the development and release of the 2009 H1N1 vaccine from the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.html

Now, influenza vaccine development is well understood, but the British COVID-19 vaccine candidate is also based on earlier coronavirus vaccine research.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Mon May 4, 2020, 11:25 AM

12. Yes, that was efficient...

BUT...that was a Flu....this is a bigger threat, a VIRUS....there is a difference apparently...

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #12)

Mon May 4, 2020, 11:44 AM

13. Both the seasonal flu and COVID-19 are viral diseases.

We have a lot of experience creating vaccines for the influenza viruses, and less experience with coronaviruses. That is an issue. However considerable research was done on SARS and MERS, which were caused by a virus very similar to COVID-19. Vaccine development was well underway when those two potential epidemics faded out without becoming pandemics.

Our understanding of viral diseases and vaccines against them has advanced a great deal since the first flu vaccines were developed. We know more now.

There is a decent chance that one of the vaccine candidates will meet the safe and effective guidelines early enough to go into production sometime this year. It's far from certain, but there is a decent chance of that.

The testing process in humans will probably be accelerated beyond what is normal, with test subjects and control groups being people who are exposed to the virus, such as health care workers and others in facilities dealing with the disease. Fairly large test groups could probably be recruited among health care professionals, so results would be available fairly quickly, due to their exposure.

We'll see.

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