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http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/pepper-sprayed-students-receive-settlement.html
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I'd sue them into multiple bankruptcy. All parties involved would be handing me money by the metric ton.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)If it were up to me, the cops responsible would be fired, prosecuted and imprisoned for felony assault under color of law.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They'll probably be able to pay more than tuition with the cash they receive.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)we are into the next phase, exposing the ugly coordinated attempt to silence the people and the illegal tactics used by the police to try to do that.
OWS has been winning in the Courts, and then filing lawsuits.
This phase of the movement is super important as the 1st Amendment rights of citizens were seriously and brutally abused by lying cops, false arrests, the near killing of many protesters while the whole world got to watch our Democracy in action.
Now OWS is taking it to the courts so we can show the world that even when these egregious abuses of our rights occur, we will not just walk away and let them stand.
This is good news. So far most of the court cases have resulted in good news although despite exposing the lies and false arrests by cops, we have yet to see any of them be prosecuted.
malaise
(268,860 posts)and a great post
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's not under the "OWS" umbrella. The students/alumni will take their checks and do with them what they will--I imagine some of them will be motivated to donate to the ACLU, who supplied the lawyers:
The UC regents, in a closed-door meeting, approved the proposed settlement payment to 21 UC Davis students and alumni who sued the university and contended their civil rights were violated in the widely criticized pepper spray incident.
However, both UC officials and the ACLU of Northern California, which is representing the students in the lawsuit, refused to divulge settlement details, saying the rules of the agreement talks require a federal judge to review the matter before it can be made public. That may happen within a few days, they said.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-uc-pepper-spray-20120914,0,1752264.story
It's also a "settlement" case so who knows who will admit what--if anything. This is likely a hefty "go away" money payment, and no one will be "guilty" of anything. 21 people will have some significant disposable income as a consequence of the stupid conduct of the campus police.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)from the very beginning. Without them, OWS protesters would have never had a chance against the powerful forces that were gathered against them. They gave legal seminars to OWS all over the country, advised them on how to act and what evidence to collect so that when things reached this stage, it would make THEIR job easier.
The ACLU and the National Lawyers Guild have been champions, and still are, of OWS and we thank them from the bottom of our hearts for all they have done and continue to do to protect the rights of OWS.
OWS protesters took their legal advice seriously, this protest was a perfect example of t he advice given to the protesters, not to allow themselves to be provoked, thereby providing any counter from the police in any future legal proceedings, which were anticipated and planned for.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Thank you.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Of course the low ranking officers get punished but not their supervisors.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Video of the incident went viral. It showed an officer spraying seated students directly in their faces at close range during an Occupy rally. And UC's own investigations and a shakeup at the UC Davis police force put the university in a weak position to argue against the students' lawsuit.
In April, a UC task force headed by former state Supreme Court Justice Cruz Reynoso found that UC Davis police had violated policy and that campus administrators bungled the handling of that campus protest.
In May, a separate draft report about campus responses to civil disobedience across UC urged administrators to use mediation instead of confrontation in most cases, although it said pepper spray might remain a necessary tool of last resort....Additionally, Lynn Tierney, the UC system's associate vice president for communications, was appointed to a one-year position to implement the report and help train campus leaders and police in more peaceful responses to protests. In the past, Tierney has worked for police and public safety agencies.
The funds for the settlement will come from UC's self-insurance program, which officials said has about $600 million in reserves....
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)The chancellor is apparently still "chancelloring" at "the Nation's Coolest School."
http://chancellor.ucdavis.edu/
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)punished and the generals get off. Lt. Calley bites it again. And the money comes from the students/taxpayers and not from the administrators.
MADem
(135,425 posts)There would be none without the agreement of the 21 complainants. Clearly, the petitioners for redress are finding that the cash on the barrel does, in fact, compensate them--otherwise they'd say "NO DEAL," press forward and go to court.
Time will tell. I'm thinking that the amount is fairly generous, but who knows?
As for the "line soldiers"--in this case I think anyone spraying that bright orange pepperspray shit at the heads of those kids was just a boneheaded idiot who does not belong anywhere near law enforcement. That's just STUPID, and deliberately cruel, and so unneccessary, in addition to being a violation of the student's right to what looked to be very peaceful protest. It's suggestive of a troubling and ready brutality and a complete lack of logical thought. I think a better choice of work in the public sector might be public works or maintenance--they'd probably not hurt anyone if they were responsible for scraping roadkill off highways, repainting a municipal building, or something on those lines.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I would agree that it appears that way. I dont blame them, they are the ones damaged. Besides it should be the press and public that demands that the administrators responsible be punished.
As for the "line soldiers" I agree with you that they need to be held responsible and not just shuffled off to a different location. They are guilty of assault and it shouldnt have to be up to the students to file. It isnt right that a cash settlement can override criminal actions.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)While there can be certain forms of equitable relief, such as requiring statements, training, etc., civil suits are not about some form of societal "vengeance", and one might consider the mindset which seeks it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)officers should be punished. "Vengeance"? You think I am seeking vengeance? I want justice for the students. The officers were following directions from the administration. I dont believe that you should be able to buy off crimes with monetary settlements.
The officers committed assault but will only get reassigned. The administration gets nothing, not even a slap on the wrist. No one was punished here.
I guess the officers and the school administration are immune from prosecution because they are part of the establishment. Give the students some cash and make the problem go away. This is America.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Whether a prosecutor brings a criminal case is independent of the ability of the students to bring a civil case, and to settle it on terms they find acceptable.
The difference between settling a civil case and taking one to verdict is simply one of "Do you want to get paid now or later?"
The case, even if not settled, would not have had the capacity to put anyone behind bars or result in any criminal conviction.
"No one was punished here."
No one was going to be punished - in this action - whether it was settled or not.
The larger point is on a take-it-or-leave-it basis, but it strikes me that most people who do something awful to someone else, generally believes themselves to be getting even for something else.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)writ large in bright orange pepper spray!
I'm curious as to the dollar amount--I would hope it was a very good settlement per person.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)Sirveri
(4,517 posts)All while those who are actually responsible wash their hands and walk away free wo/men.
They do something bad, and the students of California get to pay for it. But what else is new?
MADem
(135,425 posts)complaint, but I don't think there'd be any different outcome, except maybe the money amount might have been different. The suit was for damages to the students, if I understand it correctly, not for any kind of criminal prosecution of the leadership at the institution.
I suppose the ACLU lawyers will have something to say about their approach after they announce the settlement amount!
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)Not the students fault that the system is broken. But the admin screws up, and who pays for it, it sure as heck isn't admin.
MADem
(135,425 posts)in this instance.
The best we can hope for is that they are constrained in future...!
Trekologer
(997 posts)When a majority (or at least sizable plurality) of taxpayers demand that police departments are run truly to "protect and serve" the citizenry and not as small military forces staffed with "heros" who are above the law, you'll see that these incidents stop. Until then, taxpayers better start opening their checkbooks.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)If you believe your bosses have your back no matter how outrageous you act, you will not be restrained in your actions,
It's right that the officers who committed these acts are fired, but they should also be denied their pensions and health benefits.
And it's imperative that the police chiefs and civilian authorities who look the other way when their officers go apeshit are also punished. The campus police chief and university president should have been fired as well.
In this case the only reason there was any retribution was the public outrage at the egregiousness of the cop's response. And probably the fact that the victims were middle class white kids.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)The FOP can go to hell if they do not like it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)you're going to get it--i.e., if you are an Army colonel, and you've got enough time under your belt to retire, and you get promoted to Brigadier General and promptly misbehave, you will still retire at the last rank you held "honorably."
These campus cops have moved on, and if they are old enough with enough vested time, they've retired. To my knowledge, no one charged them criminally with anything.
This was not a criminal case, to my understanding--no one went to the police (the real police, that is) and filed charges, as far as I know. If that does not happen then there's no calling superiors to account. If you have information that anyone did that, it would add to the conversation here.
This was, as near as I can tell, a civil case for damages--the old "I have been wronged and I want recompense in the form of cash to help to make me whole" argument, presented to a court, with the 21 students as plaintiffs, and the school as defendants. Apparently, the ACLU took that civil track and tack and got them a nice payday.