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Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:33 PM Sep 2012

Anybody else annoyed by this "apology" nonsense?

Saying it's false and explaining why it is is one thing but I'm more than a little annoyed and slightly concerned at the attitude that suggests that issuing an "apology" and/or trying to disavow things that should not be held as being representative of who we are as a country (i.e. Jones' Koran burning and anti-Muslim film) are necessarily considered bad things in the first place. There should be nothing wrong with saying "sorry" when circumstances warrant it and there have been more than a few things in recent years that warrant an apology from our country, specifically our leaders whether it's torturing people, Abu Gharib, and/or invading and occupying Iraq in the absence of a verifiable imminent threat to us- just to mention a few things. What about all those countries whose governments we brought down and dictators we propped up over the years? How many innocent people died under the boot heels of some of the people that we supported?

Yet, since we're the USA, it seems like many (most) Republicans (and even a lot of Congressional Democrats) seem to conflate apologizing with being "weak" and that being from the USA basically means never having to say we're sorry for anything no matter how bad we mess up. We won't even allow ourselves to be held accountable for really bad behavior, which is why, I suspect we didn't go along with the International Criminal Court- because George W. Bush and his (mis-)administration full of neocon minions were already planning to do things that it knew that the international community would not approve of and would possibly even consider to be war crimes. Unfortunately, I don't believe that we will EVER get enough votes in Congress even now to ever ratify that particular treaty (among others) for the foreseeable future.

I'm not suggesting that we need to confess all of our sins and/or grovel at the feet of the world and try to repent all of our sins, however IMHO I think that we need to get rid of this concept that we are above making mistakes and that being willing to admit our mistakes- once again, when circumstances clearly warrant it- makes us strong, not weak in the eyes of the world IMHO.

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Anybody else annoyed by this "apology" nonsense? (Original Post) Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 OP
yes...and I'd like to apologize for it... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1
Republicons will say and do anything to overthrow the Obama administration and our democracy. The Wielding Truth Sep 2012 #2
Good post treestar Sep 2012 #3
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #4
Dear Jerry: We don't hate Muslims here on DU. I think you might have taken a wrong turn on your way kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #5
This is not who we are. nolabear Sep 2012 #6
Yeah, that'd work. Sparkly Sep 2012 #7
There was NO apology M_M Sep 2012 #8
I'll just let this guy explain it. JeffHead Sep 2012 #9
Yes, god forbid... Peepsite Sep 2012 #10

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
2. Republicons will say and do anything to overthrow the Obama administration and our democracy.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:39 PM
Sep 2012

Everyone should be on alert to anything they say. They have proved that it is best to consider their words false until verified by a reputable source.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. Good post
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:42 PM
Sep 2012

Yes, this is silly - and it's a Republican idea. It just shows their narcissism and they haven't really even picked up on that. They are saying they are never wrong. It's not weakness to back off when you are wrong. The whole idea is silly.

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kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
5. Dear Jerry: We don't hate Muslims here on DU. I think you might have taken a wrong turn on your way
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:56 PM
Sep 2012

to the site that will not be named.

 

Peepsite

(113 posts)
10. Yes, god forbid...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:14 PM
Sep 2012

Any of our diplomats try to deal with this kind of thing, ya know, diplomatically. We gotta be all "team America" and stuff.

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