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Fri May 29, 2020, 05:04 PM

And the righteous anger of the young poured from the skies...









BOOM! This is how you know that the Republicans are shitting themselves over their future. This is the future as the Fox news demographic literally is dying from Covid... these young people say fuck you very much and I cannot agree more!!!!

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Reply And the righteous anger of the young poured from the skies... (Original post)
Soph0571 May 29 OP
cayugafalls May 29 #1
NNadir May 29 #3
cayugafalls May 29 #8
rickyhall May 29 #12
NNadir May 29 #19
cayugafalls May 29 #20
NNadir May 29 #22
cayugafalls May 30 #23
Alliepoo May 29 #2
Aristus May 29 #4
MaryMagdaline May 29 #5
11 Bravo May 29 #6
Lars39 May 29 #7
cayugafalls May 29 #9
Bernardo de La Paz May 29 #11
Soph0571 May 29 #14
Bernardo de La Paz May 29 #17
LanternWaste May 29 #15
Bernardo de La Paz May 29 #16
WhiskeyGrinder May 29 #10
Lars39 May 29 #13
dixiechiken1 May 29 #18
murielm99 May 29 #21
dixiechiken1 May 30 #24

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:10 PM

1. That is a great statement.

I remember in the late 60's early 70' this was exactly the same feelings we had, or at least I had these feelings.

People seem to forget that sometimes...

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #1)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:36 PM

3. We of the 60's and 70's failed humanity. These kids, I think, won't.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #3)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:52 PM

8. I don't necessarily think we failed as much as we got complacent.

When the war in Vietnam ended it seems like the wind just died down slowly. People graduated college and started careers and families and for a time, the enemy was defeated. Nixon was gone. The war was over. There was some progress on civil rights.

We got lazy...and forgot to continue fighting until the change was complete.

I think you are right though...times are different, there is an immediacy that the kids today experience that we can barely touch. They want real change for a lot of things that go beyond one or two bullet points on a list. It is not just about ending the war, or getting rid of Nixon...there is much work to be done and it seems they have their fingers on the pulse.

I'll support them as best I can for an old hippy dude.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #8)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:24 PM

12. After that evil war ended, we celebrated and got on with our lives.

Then came Raygun and all those that followed. There's little difference between Raygun and Trump.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #8)

Fri May 29, 2020, 07:08 PM

19. I have a very jaundiced view of our generation, at least here in the US.

We were basically self absorbed consumers with poor values.

In our times, we consumed all of the world's best resources, converting them into intractable waste.

There was something very Trumpian in our generation overall, and it is reflected by the fact that Trump's strongest base of support consists of people over the age of 65.

I recall the exact moment when I realized where we were going. I'd come back to the place I grew up - Long Island - for a visit, and some friends announced they had a surprise for me: Tickets to see "Jefferson Starship" at the Nassau Coliseum. I didn't feel comfortable declining so I went. It was the day of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's famous Harvard commencement speech, 1978.

We may criticize that speech as being reactionary, but as a dissident, he challenged us as dissident's do, to examine the materialism of our culture. It got me to thinking and frankly, feeling...

As I was working it over in my head, I was confronted with a bored Grace Slick singing "White Rabbit" for the ten thousandth time, people strewing garbage in the hallways, clouds of marijuana smoke permeating the air, drunk people throwing up in the bathrooms, others passed out in the hallway covered in slime dripping out their mouths and suddenly it dawned on me that the only thing about which we really cared, was to be totally absorbed in stupefaction of one kind or another.

I have never forgotten that night, and I never will. Of course there were some periods in our times and persons in our generation who reflected some nobility, but over all, when our generation looks in the mirror, we might find ourselves staring at Trump.

In the end the ultimate stupefacient proved to be money, cars, McMansions, and voting out of concern for taxes as opposed to voting for humanity and for the futures of our children, but it was the same, White Rabbit after White Rabbit.

We screwed the world up, big time.

I get into this all the time with my contemporaries who like to pretend that we were responsible for Civil Rights and Environmental regulations, etc, which is kind of Trumpian inasmuch as it takes credit for what other people did, but no, I don't buy any of it.

My standard statement about our generation is consistently this: History will not forgive us, nor should it.





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Response to NNadir (Reply #19)

Fri May 29, 2020, 07:36 PM

20. While I don't think I disagree with much you said, I have some questions.

You say "We screwed up big time." "...we might find ourselves staring at Trump." "we consumed all of the world's best resources"

And yet you then say that the collective "we" can't take credit for the Civil Rights movement or Environmental regulations, etc. - because it was "what other people did".

What can we take credit for? Or was our contributions and time just useless?

You seem OK with the collective "we" taking all the blame, yet fail to allow the collective "we" to take some credit.

If the collective "we" can't take credit for the advances in the culture, who does get the credit? The few at the top of the media circus of the time? One man? Several people?

I marched. I wrote. I held signs and put myself out there, among other things. Sure, I did not get shot, give a speech or write a book, but I felt I was part of the collective "we the people". I damn sure confronted Nixon at the Bayfront Center in St Petersburg after a speech he gave. He actually acknowledged my friends and I with our simple anti-war message as we were standing in his way as he exited. My point being that many people did as I did and supported the quest for change.

That is all my questions...I appreciate your thoughtful and reasoned response.

We are all one. Love is the answer.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #20)

Fri May 29, 2020, 09:51 PM

22. The generalizations are no reflection on particular individuals, but let me say this:

If I simply ask you to close your eyes and tell me who you see when I mutter the words, "Germany, 1942" who do you see?

I think most people would say - perhaps not you, but most people - would say, "Adolf Hitler."

Of course, it was the last full year in the life of Sophie Scholl. But if we think of Germany in 1942, almost no one will see her, a young woman of moral courage that few of us can even imagine. She was guillotined.

Over nearly 20 years here, I have changed my signature line multiple times, but I suspect that the one there now, which may have lasted the longest, the quote from Abraham Lincoln, which I have taken completely out of context, best summarizes how I feel about our times. It reads in part...

We... ...will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us.


Lincoln, perhaps the most significant person of his time, at least in the judgement of history, saw his personal responsibility to carry the weight of history not just for himself, but also for the "insignificant." He was concerned that the insignificant would be remembered poorly if he, and the other powerful politicians of his time, failed. He felt responsibility.

Who feels responsibility on the national stage now?

In the future, it is unlikely that anyone will know that you personally did noble things - and I'm not denying that they were noble - but still, in history what you did will not be noticed, except possibly in some obscure Ph.D. thesis in some history department somewhere on "the resistance." People who did what you did will still be painted with the broader brush of our times.

This buffoon in the White House may have successfully destroyed all that our country represents, and history will surely ask, how did this happen? How did a great nation commit suicide? If they examine the demographics of voters, what will they see? The Millennials on whom so many people of our generation heave supercilious contempt, or will they be looking at us, collectively?

People elected by us fought two brutal wars so we could have oil to drive our cars to Walmart. Now, led by support from baby boomers, we have Trump.

What can we take credit for? I really had to think about that. Maybe we can take credit - if due - for launching the information age - although, to be perfectly clear, it is also the (instantaneous) disinformation age.

Now, I have personally benefited professionally from the free flow of information, and so have many other scientists. However, as Shakespeare had it, "The good will be interred with our bones." The evil we've done will live after us.

You know, when we were kids, they started showing that (then) groundbreaking sci fi movie Forbidden Planet on television. Perhaps you've seen it; perhaps not.

Here's the plot: Some space travelers come across a planet that was once inhabited by a race of super technological geniuses that mysteriously went extinct just after their greatest achievement, the ability to manipulate the world through a kind of telekinesis. The punch line to the movie is that that superior race, the Krell, are destroyed by their own subconscious, the violent urges they suppressed. A character in the movie lay dying on having discovered the historical truth of what happened to the Krell, and as he dies he mutters, "Monsters! Monsters from the Id." They ripped each other to pieces because their subconscious took over their telekinetic powers and started to murder their fellow beings.

We have a vile, exceedingly stupid and evil person living in the White House, his path to it, laid out in twittering tweets consisting entirely of lies and dog whistles. He is clearly a monster from the id.

Today, in discussing that horror in Minneapolis, the murder of that fine man by the police, my wife and I told our sons, now young men in their twenties, how we marched in San Diego to protest the attack on Rodney King and the acquittal of the police officers who beat him mercilessly on video. On video!!! The cops were acquitted by a jury of white people of our generation. It's almost 30 years later. We have cops on video committing murder. And two days go by before the murderers are arrested, and only then because a city is burning. We marched, we chanted. We expressed our outrage. I myself gave a little speech downtown San Diego.

What did my marching, my chanting, do? We are a more racist country today than we were in 1965 and certainly more racist than we were in 1992.

Will history record me and my outrage when they review America's suicide? No, history will see Trump. For sure, history will revile him and all those who assisted him in the destruction of this country, ironically flag waving ersatz patriots. But as regrettable as it is, he will be the summation of all of us. I'm sure of it, because I read a lot of history.

Perhaps it isn't fair to you personally, perhaps not even me, but this is reality: One has to dig real deep into history to dig up, to discover, Sophie Scholl but everyone knows Hitler.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #22)

Sat May 30, 2020, 12:25 AM

23. There is nothing in your post that I can find at fault. You speak truth.

Uncomfortable as it is to think that we won't be remembered for our contributions, we must always act as if they are important, noble and significant. There were many members of The White Rose, without which it may have fallen by the wayside, however, they did not do what they did seeking remembrance, they did it because they believed in the cause.

My son believes you and I are more significant than we think. I have influenced him and many other young people in my time on this planet, same applies to you, and he told me tonight, as I pondered your post, that regardless of whether history remembers you or
I, plenty of people have been impacted and changed for the better because of interactions with our values and they will remember and perhaps pass that on as well.

What did our marching, speeches, writings, etc. do to change anything? For one thing, I don't believe we are more racist today. I think we impacted the entire country for the better, albeit only for a short time.

I simply believe that as technology advanced the creation of instantaneously available personal video and all the easily accessible personal channels, have pulled back the mask on the endemic racism that has always existed in real time. Also, Trump has outed all his closeted racist fanatics and made it OK for them to come out in the daylight.

I have to fall back on an analogy, if I may. I am reminded of the cockroach. You may only see one during the daylight or at certain times during the night you may catch a couple as they scurry and hide after flicking on the light, however, what happens when you remove the fear associated with light? What was a short time ago only one or two, becomes many.

Trump has merely removed the fear of exposure and we see more racism because it is now overt and in our face 24/7. It was always there in massive numbers. Racism was merely suppressed due to fear of exposure. That was the job we left unfinished. We did not rid the country of racism, we merely forced it underground for a short time.

I am tired and I appreciate you getting me thinking. I may not have put forth my best tonight and for that I ask leniency.

Life is not fair. I have to be satisfied with my position in life. It is not one that will garner me any fame or notoriety, but it makes me feel good to know that I at least tried to be the best human I could be and improve my little place in this world as much as I could.

At least you remember Sophie Scholl and you pass that information on whenever you get an opportunity so others can be enlightened. They will pass it on as well. Your impact will be felt for many generations whether history remembers your name or not.

Goodnight, kind Sir.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:15 PM

2. Very reminiscent of the 60s-70s!

Good on these kids! There is hope.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:38 PM

4. Wow 100% This!

Young people today give me so much hope. May I never become a "Kids these days!..." old codger...

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:40 PM

5. A lot of Facebook posts from my 20-something and 30-something cousins

Their parents are mostly Republican.

I was shocked to see my 63 y.o. Republican cousin post a BLM meme that even white people are sick of white racists and another republican family member backed her up. (I think both were moved by their children’s positions)
I hope this is a trend. Maybe something has cracked.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:42 PM

6. I'll be 70 next January, and I endorse every fucking word she had to say.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:45 PM

7. What is acab?

My mind is tired right now.

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #7)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:53 PM

9. All cops are bad...a sentiment that I personally do not endorse.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #9)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:19 PM

11. +1. Way too many are, but saying "all" is PREJUDICE and BIGOTRY. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #11)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:38 PM

14. Yeah but when the good do not call out the bad then...

ACOB. Where are the police protesting in the streets when a modern day lynching takes place... oh wait.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #14)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:58 PM

17. So the Tennessee police chief who called it out is automatically bad, because he's a ... cop? So.


And then you don't get the acronym right. Or do you mean something else entirely?

It's only the TOP post in Greatest Threads. Perhaps not so visible.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213498445

“There is no need to see more video,” Chattanooga Police Chief David Roddy tweeted on Wednesday. “There no need to wait to see how ‘it plays out.’ There is no need to put a knee on someone’s neck for NINE minutes. There IS a need to DO something.

“If you wear a badge and you don’t have an issue with this...turn it in,” he continued.


ALL cops are bad? Or are you going to say "the exception proves the rule"? That's only one cop.

Binary thinking serves nobody well.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #11)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:49 PM

15. Cowering in silence behind a blue wall does not reflect good character...

in fact, it illustrates cowardice.

But I get it... hipster sanctimony allows us to feel righteous about protecting those in power from... bad words.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #15)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:53 PM

16. You completely misinterpret what was written and you retreat to binary all-or-nothing thinking. . nt

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #7)

Fri May 29, 2020, 05:57 PM

10. All Cops Are Bastards.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #10)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:32 PM

13. Thanks!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 07:01 PM

18. What's BLM?

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Response to dixiechiken1 (Reply #18)

Fri May 29, 2020, 07:39 PM

21. Black Lives Matter

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #21)

Sat May 30, 2020, 06:24 AM

24. Thank you.

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