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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Sun May 31, 2020, 12:48 AM May 2020

This Isn't Just Like 1968

I’ve heard and seen several people compare today to 1968 and to suggest that Trump, like Nixon, will benefit from the social unrest to win the election. But this is very different.

Among other things, Trump is not comparable to Nixon. 1968 Nixon was outside of government and capitalized on that, promising to step back in to restore the “law and order” he claimed the current government had failed to provide. He was running against the sitting vice president and, by proxy, the incumbent president, whom he painted as responsible for and unable to contain or correct the mess they created.

Conversely, 2020 Trump is the sitting president who is seen by pretty much everyone as deeply involved in and largely responsible for the chaos. Unlike Nixon, he’s not running against the current regime. He IS the current regime. He can’t promise to give us law and order or to step in and fix the mess because he’s already in position to solve the problem but has failed and refused to do so.

Not only that, but unlike in 1968, it is impossible for him to successfully employ Nixon’s tactic of painting this as anti-American hippies and violent blacks threatening a peaceful, patriotic “silent majority.” That won’t work because the right is widely and correctly seen as a hostile group, prone to violence and disruption just as much and, in fact more than, those on the left.

In 1968, Nixon was able to convince frightened white people that he could protect them. But any white person who believes Trump can protect them is already wearing a MAGA cap. But I am pretty sure that very few white people who feel frightened about what’s going on but haven’t decided to vote for Trump are likely to vote for the man who has proven himself incapable of protecting them from all of this because he himself has caused all of this.

On the other hand, Joe Biden is much more in the position Nixon held in 1968: a former vice president who has stepped back into the arena. He is offering an alternative to the madness we’re engulfed in.

But Biden’s no Nixon – he doesn’t have to fear monger or divide or demagogue about law and order because Trump has already done that and has led us to the brink of disaster. He needs only show us how he plans to return us to decency and competence and honesty and voters on the fence will flock to him.

This is not just like 1968.

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This Isn't Just Like 1968 (Original Post) StarfishSaver May 2020 OP
Excellent analysis. n/t blitzen May 2020 #1
Very well stated. NanceGreggs May 2020 #2
5th Rec & off to The Greatest Page Hekate May 2020 #3
K&R EarlG May 2020 #4
K&R...nice piece Starfish Docreed2003 May 2020 #5
Thank you for this analysis of the difference between Cha May 2020 #6
K&R smirkymonkey May 2020 #7
Thanks. lunatica May 2020 #8
Plus unlike 1968, today Dan May 2020 #9
You do not know if the outcome will be the same. You don't. writes3000 May 2020 #10
That is not what the OP is saying. AllyCat May 2020 #28
Well said! Thanks for this, Starfish. K&R crickets May 2020 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author AllyCat May 2020 #15
I think you may have replied to the wrong person. nt crickets May 2020 #26
So I did. Thank you. AllyCat May 2020 #27
No prob. ;) crickets May 2020 #29
Also there was no bungled pandemic response back then... brush May 2020 #12
Well said. . . Journeyman May 2020 #13
Nixon had to get school buses to surround the W House to protect BigmanPigman May 2020 #14
It has to be older people making such a comparison. herding cats May 2020 #16
I'm older and I've noticed Captain Zero May 2020 #20
And if you should happen to be wrong, Crunchy Frog May 2020 #17
I promise, no matter what happens, not to ever come to you for anything StarfishSaver May 2020 #19
Not 1968! 2020 Cell phones, cameras, video, Facebook, Twitter, cable news 24/7... JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2020 #18
More like 1848 JCMach1 May 2020 #21
I agree Gothmog May 2020 #22
Great post malaise May 2020 #23
Solid reasoning. Excellent OP. oasis May 2020 #24
Great post, Starfish. nt brer cat May 2020 #25
This is more like 1992. Initech May 2020 #30

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
8. Thanks.
Sun May 31, 2020, 01:11 AM
May 2020

Didn’t Nixon, as President, send in police dressed in riot gear to attack the people who kept marching to protest the Vietnam Nam war? Young men were drafted into the army then, unlike today where they volunteer.

It was such a tumultuous time that it’s hard to remember the details and the timing.

AllyCat

(16,173 posts)
28. That is not what the OP is saying.
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:06 PM
May 2020

OP is saying this is NOT like 1968 in significant ways. There is no prediction for the final outcome that I see

Response to crickets (Reply #11)

brush

(53,758 posts)
12. Also there was no bungled pandemic response back then...
Sun May 31, 2020, 01:46 AM
May 2020

with over 100k deaths, one in four workers unemployed because of a cratered economy, and little chance the economy and the lost jobs will be restored by the Nov. election.

And fool trump hasn't even tried to address and calm the nation after four days of protests. What useless, inept failure of leadership.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
14. Nixon had to get school buses to surround the W House to protect
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:28 AM
May 2020

him from protesters, this was when you could get a lot closer to it than you can now.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
16. It has to be older people making such a comparison.
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:34 AM
May 2020

They're not familiar with millennial, and/or have bought into the stereotypes about them? Also, GenX, the modern forgotten generation. They're not blazing 60's style racist either. Add the two voting blocks together and they're a force.

GenZ, which many confuse with the Millennials, is even less prone to such lunacy, but also much less likely to turnout.

It's an entirely different era and some people are trying to play the same games as if it isn't.

Folks, this isn't the 1960's all over again. The vast majority of the voting block have no memories of that era anymore. They're navigating their lives on a whole different trajectory from back then.

Captain Zero

(6,799 posts)
20. I'm older and I've noticed
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:52 AM
May 2020

No ghettoes are burning and central cities are burning.
No poor black residential areas burning.
That is a big difference.

Police are allowing people ways out of problem areas which is good,
but then once that movement begins people still stick around and
property violence seems to be happening as people leave an area.

Fireworks were not legal in most places in 67-68.
Demonstrators are showing that some of the legal fireworks we have allowed are weapons grade stuff, although rather random in their targetting

Sure are no shortages of tear gas. I doubt police and military are running out of bullets.

Anyone know where I can get an antibodies test?

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
17. And if you should happen to be wrong,
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:39 AM
May 2020

don't come whining to me on election night, because I promise that I will not be receptive to it.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. I promise, no matter what happens, not to ever come to you for anything
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:25 AM
May 2020

Because who are you and why would I?

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
18. Not 1968! 2020 Cell phones, cameras, video, Facebook, Twitter, cable news 24/7...
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:06 AM
May 2020

Mass Communication at this level is beyond anything 1968's philosophers could imagine.

Now with bots and trolls and paid pundants and infiltration of foreign governments are all new and unparalleled.

Pong vs Call of Duty if you will.

Initech

(100,054 posts)
30. This is more like 1992.
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:43 PM
May 2020

1992 was an election year that saw cops being absolutely out of control and led to severe riots all around the country. And it swayed the election toward Clinton due to Bush's inaction.

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