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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:18 AM

Possible helpful idea for valid George Floyd peaceful protests.

What if protest leaders declared all valid protesters should not wear hoodies or carry backpacks? Just get everyone to agree that anyone seen with a hoodie pulled up or carrying a backpack does not belong to a valid Floyd protest. Very few regular protesters I've seen in the news are wearing hoodies or covering themselves completely in black.

Those little RW white punks stirring up shit by breaking out windows had all their skin covered in black with hoodies, masks and gloves and backpacks to carry their tools of destruction.

* Stripped of the hoodies, protesters could at least have some details to share with authorities and....
* Not allowing backpacks would minimize concealment of larger tools that makes it easy to break glass and doors.

I felt a surge of pride at last yesterday when I saw videos of several instances where valid democratic protesters were calling out and running off these thugs who want to discredit and distract from a valid expression of American patriotism in the form of a peaceful protest.

I just feel the good guys somehow need to make themselves distinctive from the bad guys.

KY.......

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:23 AM

1. Great idea, but nobody has the authority to enforce your proposed rule.

Nobody has the power to tell anybody NOT to wear a hoodie or a backpack.

I think your proposal is unworkable.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:36 AM

3. So what. It's a good suggestion in the right direction. People should do it.

Go ahead and wear your hoodie and take your backpack.

Don't make perfect the enemy of good.

I think peaceful protesters should take flowers to the demonstrations too.
But I can't force you. no.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:41 AM

6. I prefer practical/workable solutions to our problems.

I would rather focus my energy on something that is actually possible. This OP proposes a potential solution that seems impossible to me.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 11:12 AM

9. Laelth, I wasn't implying it was to be enforced, but rather voluntary.

If protest leaders let their groups know to be suspicious of anyone dressed in that fashion, someone should observe them and perhaps even question suspicious actions. Take pictures and make notes if necessary.

Simply by getting the real protesters to voluntarily agree to keep the hoodies down and leave the means of carrying heavy tools at home, that could make the fascists nervous about sticking out like a sore thumb and stay the hell away.

I'm looking for simple ways the good guys can prevent evil people that look like something out of a spy movie from walking down city streets methodically popping windows out of storefronts and spray painting everything in sight with false messages.

KY

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:44 PM

13. I see.

You overestimate DU if you think that this forum can reach your target audience. We are old. I would wager that fewer than 3% of us have actually attended a George Floyd protest. Still, if you could actually reach your target audience with your suggestions, I would support them. I donít think you are wrong. I think that grassroots movements are organic and, ultimately, uncontrollable.

-Laelth

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:27 AM

2. Or police walk the protest with the protesters instead of standing in front of them. The LEOs did it

... in Furgeson and it worked like a charm to stop the anarchist

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:39 AM

4. Officers in Indianapolis did it too to defuse the walk after curfew

that ended up at the governor's mansion.

Protesters agreed to walk back down the street and disperse if the officers walked with them.
It worked.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:43 AM

7. Nice !!! A lot of PD's lack strong leadership period. The senior LEO's in some PD's are either jaded

... or corrupt themselves.

Christ Rock is right, a couple of bad apples among police is like having a couple of bad apple airline pilots who like to crash their planes into mountains.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:19 PM

11. That is what I have been thinking. The cops that want to honor the protest and work with, walk along

the sides. Pretty much stop the vandalism or they have easy access to them as they clearly present themselves getting out of protest to do damage. But I imagine most of the damage is not coming from the protest line, but groups going around with the express purpose of causing problems.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:41 AM

5. Here's another one

Lets try quietly kneeling when the national anthem is played.
Oh wait...

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:58 AM

8. Many of the people breaking shit are valid protesters.

 

We should call out the RW agitators and vandals but a lot of the vandalism is coming from our/my side and I don't think we should be in fear of it. Do exactly what you say and there are still going to be oppressed people, and those who support our cause, out there breaking shit. When peaceful protests don't provide the required change then some factions will take it to the next level. I support them. The killing of minorities and systemic governmental oppression is not going to to end by way of peaceful protests.

Why don't some people stop attempting to rewrite history by saying that violence and vandalism only have a negative impact on societal movements, specially in the area of civil rights? It's just not true.

Lets not put a dress code on protests. Lets not start questioning our own. Point out the agitators, attempt to identify them, and also understand the great importance of the vandalism that is coming from our side.

"I just feel the good guys somehow need to make themselves distinctive from the bad guys."

Don't look at someone who just broke a store window and simply write them off as "bad guys." Many are agents of change.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 11:55 AM

10. I'm not sure walking in the streets helps. Now surrounding national and state capitols, police

stations, city halls, etc., every day with hundred/thousands carrying signs like BLM -- so that police and officials see it as they come and go -- would make a difference. And do it during the week, not just on weekends.

But, when you get right down to it, doing something -- even if not the best way -- feels, and might be, better than doing nothing.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:20 PM

12. I think ENOUGH! and.... whoa the gofundme for George's family!

Was 8.5M last time I looked.



This little pandemic thing....

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