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Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:59 PM Jun 2020

Maybe the Govs should call Trump's bluff?

"President Donald Trump threatened to mobilize the military to restore peace across the U.S. late Monday."
Really?

Anyone else see logistical problems if every Gov. accepts the help?

Every state is bending under the costs of increased security and the Moscow Mitch controlled fed paymasters are denying them more help. Surely the states might welcome not having the burden of huge increases in cop overtime. And to be honest, from what I've seen, cops aren't that proficient at crowd control. Waive the "posse comitatus" issues once so important to the RWNJ and let Trump deal with it, says I.
Just maybe the military might grow a pair and do the right thing.

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Maybe the Govs should call Trump's bluff? (Original Post) Pantagruel Jun 2020 OP
Yeah - no way that could backfire lame54 Jun 2020 #1
Backfire? Pantagruel Jun 2020 #9
I don't mind spitballing... lame54 Jun 2020 #18
I'd like one to say: Hello, yes we have this problem in D.C.... Brainfodder Jun 2020 #2
The Posse Comitatus Act is now a blockade to fascism. roamer65 Jun 2020 #3
Um, that quaint Posse Comitatus Act thingy was nurtured in 2006 Brother Buzz Jun 2020 #13
These changes were repealed from the Insurrection Act in 2008. roamer65 Jun 2020 #15
They were - the john Warner Act was repealed. jmg257 Jun 2020 #16
Ah, I'm not current on it, but I understand The Posse Comitatus Act is still largely nurtured... Brother Buzz Jun 2020 #17
I think they already have called his bluff. Yesterday on DU I read that not one governor, of the... SWBTATTReg Jun 2020 #4
Correct. roamer65 Jun 2020 #5
And Trump will blame the governors for the dead bodies in the streets, because no_hypocrisy Jun 2020 #6
He's already blaming Pantagruel Jun 2020 #11
I hate it when I have to sniff my socks to tell if they're okay or need washing. n/t rzemanfl Jun 2020 #7
... Celerity Jun 2020 #20
LOL. n/t rzemanfl Jun 2020 #21
If gov really do care angrychair Jun 2020 #8
It's been tried/threatened in the past LTG Jun 2020 #14
I get what you are saying - but no JustAnotherGen Jun 2020 #10
Military is one of those guests that is rude, obnoxious, and doesn't know when to leave Midnight Writer Jun 2020 #12
Maybe you should read up a little on the subject before posting - I dont feel like Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 2020 #19
yeah. no obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #22
 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
9. Backfire?
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jun 2020

Sure it could but we're not doing so great now. Time Trump was exposed for the emptiness of his rhetoric. No way the military could or would deploy to 50 states for police duty.
And maybe the sight of troops on the streets might wake up some people to what's going on under the GOP.
Just spitballing here.

lame54

(35,262 posts)
18. I don't mind spitballing...
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jun 2020

But sending in the military is a big fucking phlem filled loogy that I don't want to get hit with

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
3. The Posse Comitatus Act is now a blockade to fascism.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jun 2020

I want the law respected and strengthened.

Arresting fascism an unintended consequence for the act, but it is needed right now.

Definitely need to add to the act a 2/3 majority of both houses for override of the law.

Brother Buzz

(36,380 posts)
13. Um, that quaint Posse Comitatus Act thingy was nurtured in 2006
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jun 2020

It's revision passed overwhelming by both House and Senate, and signed into law by GW Bush in 2006.

Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies". It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces ... to ... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition ... the President determines that ... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order ... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such ... a condition ... so hinders the execution of the laws ... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law ... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act#2006%E2%80%9307_suspension

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
15. These changes were repealed from the Insurrection Act in 2008.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jun 2020

If they are still in Posse Comitatus they need to be removed.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
16. They were - the john Warner Act was repealed.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:28 PM
Jun 2020

In 2008, these (2006/07) changes in the Insurrection Act of 1807 were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act.[12] It was originally written to limit presidential power as much as possible in the event of insurrection, rebellion, or lawlessness.

Brother Buzz

(36,380 posts)
17. Ah, I'm not current on it, but I understand The Posse Comitatus Act is still largely nurtured...
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jun 2020

and there are enough loopholes built into it for the orange anus to drive a Deuce and a Half through.

SWBTATTReg

(22,067 posts)
4. I think they already have called his bluff. Yesterday on DU I read that not one governor, of the...
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:04 PM
Jun 2020

50 has asked for help/aid from rump's feds. Not one. My understanding is that the governors must ask for such help before rump can deploy fed. troops in their states. Wash. DC is a different story, I think.

no_hypocrisy

(46,026 posts)
6. And Trump will blame the governors for the dead bodies in the streets, because
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:06 PM
Jun 2020

THEY asked HIM for help. It wasn't HIS idea . . . . . .

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
11. He's already blaming
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:18 PM
Jun 2020

the Gov's for virtually every problem from CV-19 to "weak" responses to "riots". We need him to display HIS incompetence once again.
Look, he won't send troops, he's bluffing. It would be a catalyst for chaos from the right and left.

angrychair

(8,679 posts)
8. If gov really do care
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:07 PM
Jun 2020

They should be mobilizing our state national guard to protect their state citizens from trump's militant forces.

LTG

(215 posts)
14. It's been tried/threatened in the past
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:02 PM
Jun 2020

In the “50s and ‘60s when Presidents sent troops into a state and the specter of state against federal troops arose the President federalizes the Guard calling it to active duty. This removes the state’s National Guard from the control of the states. They are then ordered back to barracks.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
19. Maybe you should read up a little on the subject before posting - I dont feel like
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:01 PM
Jun 2020

researching for you. Your post is a series of uninformed, naive statements.

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