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Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:48 AM

The FBI Finds 'No Intel Indicating Antifa Involvement' in Sunday's Violence

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/


The FBI’s Washington Field Office “has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence” in the violence that occurred on May 31 during the D.C.-area protests over the murder of George Floyd, according to an internal FBI situation report obtained exclusively by The Nation. That same day, President Donald Trump announced on Twitter that he would designate “Antifa” a terrorist organization, even though the government has no existing authority to declare a domestic group a terrorist organization, and antifa is not an organized group. Following the president’s tweet, Attorney General William Barr said in a statement, “The violence instigated and carried out by Antifa and other similar groups in connection with the rioting is domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly.”

The FBI report, however, states that “based on CHS [Confidential Human Source] canvassing, open source/social media partner engagement, and liaison, FBI WFO has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence.” The statement followed a list of violent acts like throwing bricks at police and the discovery of a backpack containing explosive materials, which were flagged by the FBI under a “Key Updates” section of the report. The FBI has been issuing such reports daily since the weekend, according to a Bureau source, who added that none of these documents contained any evidence of antifa violence.

Antifa, short for “anti-fascist,” is a type of militant anti-racist, anti-nationalist organizing that does not rely on the justice system to confront the far right. Groups associated with antifa have destroyed property and committed violence in the past, but the fact that the FBI’s situation reports cannot find any evidence of such involvement now suggests that fears about such groups may be exaggerated.


So there, Barr and Trump. Eat THAT.

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Reply The FBI Finds 'No Intel Indicating Antifa Involvement' in Sunday's Violence (Original post)
ancianita Jun 2020 OP
BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #1
uponit7771 Jun 2020 #3
orleans Jun 2020 #16
bluedigger Jun 2020 #2
ancianita Jun 2020 #4
mjvpi Jun 2020 #20
oldsoftie Jun 2020 #33
Shell_Seas Jun 2020 #5
rocktivity Jun 2020 #55
Pacifist Patriot Jun 2020 #73
Mike 03 Jun 2020 #6
ancianita Jun 2020 #7
DURHAM D Jun 2020 #8
ancianita Jun 2020 #9
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DURHAM D Jun 2020 #10
ancianita Jun 2020 #11
ancianita Jun 2020 #13
niyad Jun 2020 #18
lonely bird Jun 2020 #24
obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #41
StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #12
crickets Jun 2020 #14
ancianita Jun 2020 #15
malaise Jun 2020 #17
ancianita Jun 2020 #21
Stallion Jun 2020 #19
safeinOhio Jun 2020 #36
Jamastiene Jun 2020 #69
dalton99a Jun 2020 #22
Scalded Nun Jun 2020 #23
ancianita Jun 2020 #26
Scalded Nun Jun 2020 #56
ancianita Jun 2020 #58
roamer65 Jun 2020 #25
ancianita Jun 2020 #27
roamer65 Jun 2020 #28
ancianita Jun 2020 #29
roamer65 Jun 2020 #31
ancianita Jun 2020 #34
roamer65 Jun 2020 #35
kimbutgar Jun 2020 #30
ancianita Jun 2020 #37
kimbutgar Jun 2020 #42
ancianita Jun 2020 #46
kimbutgar Jun 2020 #54
ancianita Jun 2020 #57
kimbutgar Jun 2020 #59
ancianita Jun 2020 #61
ancianita Jun 2020 #62
kimbutgar Jun 2020 #64
oldsoftie Jun 2020 #32
lark Jun 2020 #38
ancianita Jun 2020 #39
lark Jun 2020 #40
ancianita Jun 2020 #50
sinkingfeeling Jun 2020 #43
yellowdogintexas Jun 2020 #66
davekriss Jun 2020 #44
oasis Jun 2020 #45
ancianita Jun 2020 #48
Lucinda Jun 2020 #47
malthaussen Jun 2020 #49
c-rational Jun 2020 #51
ancianita Jun 2020 #63
rocktivity Jun 2020 #52
ancianita Jun 2020 #53
Duppers Jun 2020 #60
yellowcanine Jun 2020 #65
C Moon Jun 2020 #67
ancianita Jun 2020 #68
AntiFascist Jun 2020 #70
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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:50 AM

1. Drumpf firing the entire FBI this afternoon.

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:52 AM

3. +1

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:36 AM

16. lol! n/t

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:52 AM

2. It would be nice to know what the evidence does indicate.

Or would that not be helpful to TPTB?

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:00 AM

4. It's at least some proof of who it's not. FBI are likely to be investigating who it is.

I'm pretty sure they've got some photos and other intel to pursue.

This AG and prez won't mess with the FBI. They'll just mess with the Chris Wray, who gives the field offices a lot of due process cover.

My belief, given all I've read about the FBI (which two books, admittedly not much) is that they'd pursue criminal activity until they "get their man." Field agents know that under FBI rules, they really can't be fired immediately, because they've got due process reviews, and they and their superiors have all sworn an oath to pursue their threat assessment mission.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:44 AM

20. "Sir, we have pin pointed who's committing these crimes."

"It’s a vast network of disenfranchised human beings and other AMERICANS who acknowledge the paradigm."

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:19 PM

33. Most arrests are being made by local cops. So WHO are they arresting?

As I posted below, it shouldnt be too hard to figure out whats in their heads by seeing their socail media past

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:01 AM

5. Antifa is an ideology, not an organization

They need to stop with that

But also, of course there were no Antifa members there....

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Response to Shell_Seas (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:03 PM

55. What better way to justify the existence of the alt-right

than for them to invent the existence of an alt-left?


rocktivity

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Response to Shell_Seas (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 09:49 AM

73. This is driving me crazy.

You are absolutely correct.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:01 AM

6. Oh boy, between this and Esper's comments this morning Trump

is going to be pissed.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:02 AM

7. Yeah, that goddam Reality out there can't be dictated to by da dicktater!

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:06 AM

8. What evidence did they find about the Erik Prince Militia? nt

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:09 AM

9. Am I supposed to answer that? Perhaps you know and can add something here?

Just say what you're really getting at, because I can't figure out your point.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:19 AM

10. .

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:23 AM

11. So what do you think? Think they're working on that?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:29 AM

13. That right there is some hard core state terrorism. This govt is totally more ready to terrorize

its own people than to lead them out of a pandemic.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:39 AM

18. cruella devos' brother, lest we forget.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:57 AM

24. Project Veritas???

Conservatives wouldn’t recognize truth if it punched them in the sack.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:35 PM

41. wut

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:24 AM

12. Billy Barr and Da Boss ain't gonna like that

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:33 AM

14. Nice to know the FBI is refusing to follow the trump/Barr script.

It would be even better if they rip the veil off of the extent of white supremacy terrorist groups we have operating freely in the country right now.

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Response to crickets (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:36 AM

15. They usually do that when they raid and charge. It will come.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:37 AM

17. K & R

You mean the Con and Barr were lying?

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:46 AM

21. heh heh

Now it means that official government agencies officially report it and not just media.

And Barr can NOT officially rewrite this report.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:41 AM

19. Famous Antifa Fighters:Dwight D. Eisenhower, George Patton, Omar Bradley

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Response to Stallion (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:23 PM

36. It's that vast right-wing network of Profa groups that scares me

and needs to be unmasked. They are real.

KKK
Militias
Boogie Boys
Tea Baggers

See the Southern Poverty Law Center for more.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:44 PM

69. Exactly.

The profas are the problem. They are violent on a routine basis.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:46 AM

22. Kick

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:55 AM

23. I do not believe those findings were vetted through Trump or Barr before the announcement

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Response to Scalded Nun (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:00 PM

26. So what are you saying. Do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:03 PM

56. Had they been vetted by Trump they would never have seen the light of day

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Response to Scalded Nun (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:05 PM

58. Good thing reports are not vetted, just people. This one got past their blocking.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:59 AM

25. Ok, how about white supremacist involvement FBI?

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:02 PM

27. Chris Wray spoke about that to Congress already. So they're probably still investigating.

I don't think it's realistic to think they can report on all hate groups all at once.

This report is to clear up who's NOT criminally involved, at least.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:03 PM

28. That's what they're trying to white wash.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:05 PM

29. Who is "they"? The FBI?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:13 PM

31. Yes. FBI and Barr.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:19 PM

34. You really think they can convince anyone but MF45's base?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:21 PM

35. Obfuscation at this point.

That’s all they have left at this point...when an operation fails, cover it up.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:07 PM

30. Laura Ingram last night said it was Antifa and the FBI was wrong!

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:28 PM

37. We can post all day what the right wing media say, but we're not doing ourselves any good doing that

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Response to ancianita (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:39 PM

42. I agree but I snuck a look over there last night and she had 5 talking points refuting everything

That has been going on. We wonder how anyone can think differently but if you saw it you’d know why. I only could stand a little of it but we also need to know what the enemy is saying so we can refute and push back.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:54 PM

46. Okay. Well, we really already know what the right thinks, and it's not necessary, imo, to

bring it up here. We already know what we need to do to push back.

We've been refuting, debunking and outthinking the right for three years.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:02 PM

54. My husband works with a out of mf45 supporters and sometime they say things to him and he admits

He goes what??? So maybe knowing ahead of time time the insane talkings points you can refute quickly and push back.

I rarely watch Fox but flipped over out of curiosity. Sorry you didn’t like my opinion.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:04 PM

57. No, it's okay with me from a 1st Amendment standpoint.

But there are DU rules about posting right wing sources. Just sayin'.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:07 PM

59. Then a lot of us on DU would be kicked off because I read alot of people quoting something

About fox and right wingers.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:12 PM

61. They are. Trust me. You don't see those posts on the Main Page, do you.

I don't know what you mean by "kicked off," but posts are definitely hidden.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:13 PM

62. Are you actually endorsing the posting of right wing talking points?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:20 PM

64. Sun Tzu, The art of War


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”


― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:16 PM

32. So WHO have they arrested? Whats THEIR backround? Social media history?

It really shouldnt be that hard to figure out who these vandals are and what their motives are

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:28 PM

38. Bah, there are no freaking fears of Antifa, it's all just racist rw lies to deflect.

They are trying to cover up the organized white nationalists, rw militias, & Nazis inciting violence and destruction by invoking a lie bout the left. There is NO Antifa organization, it's just rw lies. Yes, in the 60's we had far left violent groups - SDS & Weather People come to mind. Those don't exist anymore, it's all rw groups that are causing the violence & destruction and rw cops that keep killing innocent unarmed black people just because they can and want to.

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Response to lark (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:32 PM

39. I trust the FBI on this. I don't see the FBI covering up anything. If that's the "they" you mean.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:34 PM

40. No, I meant Barr and drmpf calling out the violence as Antifa, when it's their folks.

Sorry I didn't make that more clear, I'm not talking about the FBI, they told the uncomfortable truth that their bosses are lying, but of course didn't put it that way.

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Response to lark (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:59 PM

50. Ah, okay. Now I get it.

Thanks!

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:50 PM

43. Ooh, MF45 and his mob won't like that. FAKE NEWS tweet coming!

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:32 PM

66. I think #45 and the Minions are trying to convince the less informed

that Antifa is actually another Arab group like Taliban or ISIS. Those people are not going to look it up to find out what it isn't, they are just going to believe what they want to believe

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:50 PM

44. That's fine but...

... when have facts ever gotten in the way of a good autocratic coup? Fascists Forever, right Gorsuch? Kavanaugh? Barr? And the rest of the traitorous Republican enablers throughout our power structure?

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:51 PM

45. Trump and Barr say different. Heads will roll. nt

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Response to oasis (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:57 PM

48. They'll have to get past Chris Wray. There's no legal way for Barr or Trump to roll heads otherwise.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:56 PM

47. KNR

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:58 PM

49. Come on guys, get with the program.

Don't you know your lines?

-- Mal

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:00 PM

51. K&R Thanks for this post and your responses. Also love your signature line!

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Response to c-rational (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:14 PM

63. Thank you!

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:01 PM

52. TRANSLATION: The FBI Finds 'No Intel Indicating Antifa EXISTENCE, period.'


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:01 PM

53. I like how you think.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:11 PM

60. K & R

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:23 PM

65. Bbbut Bunker Bonespurs said they are terra-ists.

He lie?

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:39 PM

67. McConnell better investigate. It appears they have nothing better to do than investigate nothingness

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Response to C Moon (Reply #67)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:41 PM

68. They exist right now to vote in their federal judges. Later to investigate Biden.

They stay in their lane, Trump stays in his. But we'll see what Barr says and does about this.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:07 PM

70. K&R, Trump obviously can't tolerate what they stand for n/t

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #70)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:11 PM

72. Which is rule of law. Unlike Trump's Fascists.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:11 PM

71. Deep state! Fake news!

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