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upi402

(16,854 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:33 AM Sep 2012

Televangelist Jack Van Impe justifying Bush killings and death penalty with Bible

He quoted; Mathew 19 18
Stipulates the term MURDER rather than KILLING.
Therefore, the death penalty and BushCo killings are okay, since they're not MURDER.
And he said the 10 Commandments talks about MURDER and not KILLING.

I was flicking past the channel and caught this.
My Bible study is decades old, can anyone clarify this?

This site says the 10 Commandments says "You shall not MURDER", instead of "Thous shalt not KILL" as I learned it.
http://www.bible-knowledge.com/10-commandments/
Google brings that up

Are they rewriting their Christianity to justify their cruelty and duality?

I don't even remember the Prince of Peace saying this;
1 Samuel 15:2-3
Thus saith the Lord of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare him not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
(The word 'infants' seems sometimes omitted there)

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Televangelist Jack Van Impe justifying Bush killings and death penalty with Bible (Original Post) upi402 Sep 2012 OP
The bible wasn't written in English. nt Romulox Sep 2012 #1
True, just like your sig line -TRUE! upi402 Sep 2012 #6
Won't be the first time in history when a group, government, or person has rewritten Skidmore Sep 2012 #2
This is from Wiki Lint Head Sep 2012 #3
Tough Passage... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #4
It's a living document, a dynamic text... whatever we call it upi402 Sep 2012 #5
SO if you slay an ass like this guy Gman Sep 2012 #7
The Bible has had so many editors, proofreaders, asjr Sep 2012 #8

upi402

(16,854 posts)
6. True, just like your sig line -TRUE!
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012

Was that sig line quote from Thomas at Salon.com ?
True: There are many translations of the Bible and it's getting interpretted for the convenience of PNAC policy now, it seems to me.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
2. Won't be the first time in history when a group, government, or person has rewritten
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:41 AM
Sep 2012

a religion to justify their actions. The Bible itself is a huge selective compilation of many writings of millennia which have been pruned to foster political aspirations and cultures. Read about the Nag Hammadi.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
3. This is from Wiki
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:43 AM
Sep 2012

Killing or murder
Main article: You shall not kill

Multiple translations exist of the fifth/sixth commandment; the Hebrew words לא תרצח (lo tirtzach) are variously translated as "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not murder".[50]

The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt.[51] The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare (1Kings 2:5–6), capital punishment (Leviticus 20: 9–16) and self-defence (Exodus 22:2–3). The New Testament is in agreement that murder is a grave moral evil,[52] and maintains the Old Testament view of bloodguilt.[53]

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
4. Tough Passage...
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:53 AM
Sep 2012

I read the whole chapter. And because Saul (the King) did NOT massacre the Amelek (who must have pissed off the Almighty something fierce), Saul is rebuked by the Prophet Samuel. But oddly enough, the Amelek appear to have survived, so God suffered a major FAIL. I thought that wasn't supposed to be possible.

This is a bronze-age tale that probably made sense to the people who heard it 4000 years ago, but is positively horrifying today. What's even MORE HORRIFYING is that there are people today who say, "If God said to do it, then it must be just."

Hoo-Boy. And most of these Red State geniuses own guns. So just hope that the don't hear to voice of God telling them to slaughter everyone on your block.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
5. It's a living document, a dynamic text... whatever we call it
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:03 PM
Sep 2012

But it seems to be getting altered for the convenience of the neocons.
When I was in parochial school it was always "Thou shalt not KILL". No effort was made to differentiate between MURDER and KILL.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
8. The Bible has had so many editors, proofreaders,
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:36 PM
Sep 2012

copy editors over the years who knows what the original text was? The revisionists probably were in on the game also.

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