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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:55 AM Jun 2020

Did anyone see the comments of General Colin Powell on CNN this morning?

For me, it was almost shocking in its clarity.

He pulled few punches. He emphasized what we have lost around the world in prestige and respect and how Trump lies all the time and how he thought he alone could invite the Russian leader, Putin, back into the G7?

He also said that he would be voting for Joe Biden.

I hope there were Republicans watching and listening carefully to his words.

He is trying to pull them back from the ledge, in my opinion.

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Did anyone see the comments of General Colin Powell on CNN this morning? (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2020 OP
Do any republicans watch bamagal62 Jun 2020 #1
tRump watches CNN. pazzyanne Jun 2020 #18
He also hate-watches Morning Joe on MSNBC manhattan123 Jun 2020 #45
the leaners who think cnn is fair and balanced do, tho. mopinko Jun 2020 #38
Hey they watch cannabis_flower Jun 2020 #51
I am just waiting for trump tweet Proud liberal 80 Jun 2020 #2
Absolutely! kentuck Jun 2020 #4
Trump's tweet is already up SCantiGOP Jun 2020 #16
Name calling is all he's got, all he knows. Pathetic little man, tweeting insults while ooky Jun 2020 #65
its out there now. called him a "stiff" responsible for getting us into mid-east wars Takket Jun 2020 #56
Takket #56 dembat Jun 2020 #79
Another retired military person. grumpyduck Jun 2020 #3
They should have never supported him. Our military, after our country is almost destroyed, is in2herbs Jun 2020 #24
FWIW, our military is under the command of the Commander in Chief. grumpyduck Jun 2020 #32
I must have missed the time drump issued a lawful order. nt in2herbs Jun 2020 #34
Which is why it is the retired generals, and not the active military, that are criticizing trump. BComplex Jun 2020 #43
Article 88, UCMJ sarge43 Jun 2020 #58
Are the opinions of the retired generals really that important? kentuck Jun 2020 #60
Because the generals are, like, "giving permission" and "cover" for the other active duty officers BComplex Jun 2020 #62
They are also bound by law and oath to... El Mimbreno Jun 2020 #91
I was watching. SamKnause Jun 2020 #5
Thank you for pointing this out Beringia Jun 2020 #6
No thanks necessary. SamKnause Jun 2020 #12
Yes PatSeg Jun 2020 #17
For sure Powell has his flaws and it avebury Jun 2020 #26
Thank you for your thoughtful post, I totally agree with your point about "perilous times." scarletwoman Jun 2020 #37
It is as you say; extremely perilous times. NoRoadUntravelled Jun 2020 #42
What it"will take to get Trump and his crime family out of our house when he loses."? jaxexpat Jun 2020 #53
Thanks for your insight! kentuck Jun 2020 #63
History Matters McKim Jun 2020 #84
When is Condi going to be asked to comment? hibbing Jun 2020 #35
He covered up My Lai too WhiteTara Jun 2020 #7
IIRC he also helped cover up MyLai massacre bobbieinok Jun 2020 #8
I don't think he has been forgiven. OneBro Jun 2020 #9
Yea he suckered me into believing the Iraq BS. But anyone who speaks out against Dotard is ok. Pepsidog Jun 2020 #20
Agreed. I can't stand Colin Powell but a fair number of people still respect him. crickets Jun 2020 #49
Exactly this. Boomer Jun 2020 #81
KaBOOM! malaise Jun 2020 #10
yet llashram Jun 2020 #13
Mine: GGGrandfather Civil War amputee. Boomerproud Jun 2020 #15
yep llashram Jun 2020 #22
Have you forgiven the Japanese yet ? Nt jaysunb Jun 2020 #33
have you llashram Jun 2020 #73
Father WW ll SamKnause Jun 2020 #30
wasn't looking llashram Jun 2020 #74
You asked a question and I answered it. SamKnause Jun 2020 #75
llashram #13 dembat Jun 2020 #82
I know llashram Jun 2020 #86
As long as they have Scarsdale Jun 2020 #14
Agreed... dajoki Jun 2020 #23
Don't forget MyLai. Speaking truth now, does not bring back the dead. niyad Jun 2020 #36
Powell was Cheney's yes man and Cheney was just as bad Warpy Jun 2020 #47
Exactly. Thank you. yankeepants Jun 2020 #48
My thinking also SK DENVERPOPS Jun 2020 #55
People learn the most from their mistakes, so it makes no sense to ignore people who have made them. gulliver Jun 2020 #68
Bullshit. SamKnause Jun 2020 #69
I don't forgive or forget. Neither does he. gulliver Jun 2020 #70
I missed it. I was wondering how far he would go. I'm not surprised helpisontheway Jun 2020 #11
here's the video Tripper11 Jun 2020 #19
Thanks for posting that. marble falls Jun 2020 #31
While I am happy Powell is supporting Biden over Trump Gore1FL Jun 2020 #21
Google "colin powell my lai" Doc_Technical Jun 2020 #25
No fondness for Powell from me. mommymarine2003 Jun 2020 #27
After Bush Jr, Romney, now we have Colin Powell, one day later... Stuart G Jun 2020 #28
And how many millions of lives did this little stunt cost? Botany Jun 2020 #29
Thank you for your post. SamKnause Jun 2020 #41
And don't forget that the anthrax that was sent to the US Capital came from Ft. Derrick, MD. Botany Jun 2020 #44
I Always Hated That Diagram ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #52
That picture is just unbelievably awful sammythecat Jun 2020 #83
Thank you for pointing that out! McKim Jun 2020 #85
I'll never forgive him for that Archetypist Jun 2020 #39
And don't forget, Kissenger still walks free amongst us. 3Hotdogs Jun 2020 #40
Even if all these people that the Right agreed with in the past come out against Trump NoRoadUntravelled Jun 2020 #46
For those here that have pointed out that Colin Powell is a war criminal Mr. Ected Jun 2020 #50
Well said. OneBro Jun 2020 #67
Colin Powell, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney... backscatter712 Jun 2020 #54
All of them DENVERPOPS Jun 2020 #57
I get the feeling there are a few more GOPers who are quietly plotting... backscatter712 Jun 2020 #61
Colin Powell has no credibility AlexSFCA Jun 2020 #59
We are seeing the split of the Republican Party starting to gain momentum ooky Jun 2020 #64
he can fuck himself right along with Dubya Skittles Jun 2020 #66
Exactly. SamKnause Jun 2020 #72
I think what bothers me the most about Colin Skittles Jun 2020 #76
They just replayed it.....he scorched trump... spanone Jun 2020 #71
Thanks to all the posters Six117 Jun 2020 #77
piss on him anyway. KG Jun 2020 #78
I don't give a shit Boomer Jun 2020 #80
It's about time Powell voted for a Democrat. Nitram Jun 2020 #87
He voted for Obama because of Palin JI7 Jun 2020 #88
Did the good General Colin Powell bring satellite photos to Backseat Driver Jun 2020 #89
He gives the best endorsements. ecstatic Jun 2020 #90

mopinko

(69,806 posts)
38. the leaners who think cnn is fair and balanced do, tho.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:24 AM
Jun 2020

and goopers who think they are smart watch also.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
51. Hey they watch
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:17 PM
Jun 2020

for the same reason some of us watch Foxnews on occasion. To see what the other side is saying. For that matter, even Thomm Hartmann gets right wing callers on his show, so yes, I believe some GOPers are watching.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
2. I am just waiting for trump tweet
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:06 AM
Jun 2020

It will something like “failed Gen Colin Powell, blah blah blah....Iraq War......blah blah blah......”

ooky

(8,885 posts)
65. Name calling is all he's got, all he knows. Pathetic little man, tweeting insults while
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jun 2020

in fetal position.

Takket

(21,425 posts)
56. its out there now. called him a "stiff" responsible for getting us into mid-east wars
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jun 2020

and i won't argue that....... Powell's words mean NOTHING to me after he carried the WMD torch for cheney...... BUT if his words mean anything to someone who was going to vote drumpf and now will vote Biden? I will smile through gritted teeth and welcome them aboard.

dembat

(47 posts)
79. Takket #56
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:20 PM
Jun 2020

When Powell endorsed Obama in 2008, it swung moderate Republicans to vote overwhelmingly for Obama. Let's hope he can do it again.

in2herbs

(2,942 posts)
24. They should have never supported him. Our military, after our country is almost destroyed, is
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jun 2020

finally finding some balls.

grumpyduck

(6,199 posts)
32. FWIW, our military is under the command of the Commander in Chief.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jun 2020

There's a chain of command and POTUS is at the top of it. They are bound by law and by oath to obey his lawful orders. They are also supposed to be non- political, even though sometimes that's practically impossible.

In this case, they are starting to show that they are not supporting his unlawful behavior or his disregard of the Constitution. They are required by law and by regulations to not follow unlawful orders. And right now they're beginning to state publicly that they will not.

BComplex

(7,983 posts)
43. Which is why it is the retired generals, and not the active military, that are criticizing trump.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jun 2020

It must have been really difficult for Mattis to start this, because of his training NOT to be political, and NOT to ever criticize the president.

I know the active duty generals appreciate it, too!

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
58. Article 88, UCMJ
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:48 PM
Jun 2020

"Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the president..." (a long list of officials).

Better be very sure of your ground when you take that stand.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
60. Are the opinions of the retired generals really that important?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jun 2020

If he gets 3 or 4 active duty generals to go along with him, what is to keep the 82nd Airborne from patrolling our streets? He would simply vilify those that disagree with him.

BComplex

(7,983 posts)
62. Because the generals are, like, "giving permission" and "cover" for the other active duty officers
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jun 2020

to NOT do what trump is asking.

El Mimbreno

(777 posts)
91. They are also bound by law and oath to...
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:48 AM
Jun 2020

"defend the Constitution against all threats, foreign and domestic."

Time to make a choice.

SamKnause

(13,043 posts)
5. I was watching.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:08 AM
Jun 2020

The entire time I was thinking how he lied to us and the world about Iraq and WMD.

It seems this country easily forgives people who are responsible for death and destruction.

SamKnause

(13,043 posts)
12. No thanks necessary.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:23 AM
Jun 2020

It astounds me what short attention spans many have.

It seems as long as they say they will support our candidate all previous sins are forgiven.

How many deaths is the Bush administration responsible for ???

How many body parts are our soldiers missing because of their lies ???

How many innocent Iraqis are dead ???

There is zero accountability for people in power in the U.S.

PatSeg

(46,804 posts)
17. Yes
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:46 AM
Jun 2020

In the midst of our current nightmare, how quickly people forget the outrages of the Bush administration, many that helped bring us to where we are now. How many people died because of Bush and Cheney's disastrous military decisions and how many deaths today can still be attributed to those decisions? Anyone who contributed in any way bears some responsibility and history will remember them.

That said, I'm glad Powell did speak out against the Trump administration, but like many others, I will not forget.

avebury

(10,946 posts)
26. For sure Powell has his flaws and it
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jun 2020

pissed me off when he gave that speech at the UN. For sure it seems that people are not held accountable for their actions. It all started when Ford pardoned Nixon and went downhill after that.

But the fact is that we are living in extremely perilous times. We are in no position to refuse help from anyone in order to turn the tide on Trump in order to get him voted out of office. It is a matter of life and death for the country as we know it. We just can’t turn our backs on anybody that might be able to speak out and get through to people that we would say are a lost cause.

It is all hands on deck. The fact there are so many respected military leaders speaking out might make the difference on Trump’s ability to order the US military to attack citizens or to get the US military to defend the people if Trumps tries to use mercenaries against Americans.

We also have to think about what is will take to get Trump and his crime family out of our house when he loses.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
37. Thank you for your thoughtful post, I totally agree with your point about "perilous times."
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:21 AM
Jun 2020

This:

But the fact is that we are living in extremely perilous times. We are in no position to refuse help from anyone in order to turn the tide on Trump in order to get him voted out of office. It is a matter of life and death for the country as we know it. We just can’t turn our backs on anybody that might be able to speak out and get through to people that we would say are a lost cause.


NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
42. It is as you say; extremely perilous times.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:39 AM
Jun 2020

No doubt the Bush administration had no qualms about lying to us. The Iraq War was an egregiously calculated ploy to boost the Military Industrial Complex, among other reasons, while enriching Cheney, Erik Prince and their ilk.

Trump is an existential threat to every facet of Democracy by his negation of the Rule of Law.

jaxexpat

(6,703 posts)
53. What it"will take to get Trump and his crime family out of our house when he loses."?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:25 PM
Jun 2020

Best question yet.
As many people who hate him now, let's see how many hate him even more by next January (or even sooner). This outraged public will provide all the legal permission required to remove him and his crew from the White House. Those in authority to direct enforcement will be propelled into decisive action. If there is resistance or violence at any level it will be quashed so quickly that heads will spin. May even bring fear into the hearts of characters like Tucker, Hannity and Rush. The sort of fear that lawyers can't heal. They dug up Cromwell just so they could take revenge on his remains.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
63. Thanks for your insight!
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jun 2020

We can hold grudges and point out errors from twenty or thirty years ago, but how does that help us right now?

McKim

(2,412 posts)
84. History Matters
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jun 2020

History matters. If Bush and Cheney had been tried in a court for lying to the American public about WMD, we wouldn’t be in this disaster today. Because there were no legal consequences for these evildoers, Trump felt free to get always with all his shenanigans. Yes, it rather matters that about a million Iraqis are dead as a result of this debacle and money wasted that could have built up our public health care system.

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
7. He covered up My Lai too
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:20 AM
Jun 2020

He just desperately wants to be in the club. He'll say and do anything. Remember when *co shut the door in his face as he was coming into a meeting?

OneBro

(1,159 posts)
9. I don't think he has been forgiven.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jun 2020

He is forever tied to the lies that led to the Iraq War, but sometimes you need a certain brand of choir member to get through to their own choir.

crickets

(25,896 posts)
49. Agreed. I can't stand Colin Powell but a fair number of people still respect him.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:15 PM
Jun 2020

If his words manage to reach them and convince them how dangerous trump is, good.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
13. yet
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jun 2020

he still told the truth this morning. You need to check Bush, Cheney et al for the "death and destruction". He was used and he knew that after the fact that he was fed bad info. I still respect him. And always will no matter your besmirching his character and hard work at reaching that pinnacle as a first African-american Joint Chief of Staff and yes my family has had members in the military service since the Buffalo soldiers. All the way up to Vietnam. What has yours contributed might I ask?

Boomerproud

(7,889 posts)
15. Mine: GGGrandfather Civil War amputee.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:41 AM
Jun 2020

Grandfather WWI, Father WWII, 2 of my mom's cousins killed in WWIi (Battle of the Bulge). brother 9th Infantry Vietnam.' 68 to '69.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
22. yep
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:53 AM
Jun 2020

GGG 10 Calvary, Southwest Indian Campaign. Grandfather Spanish American War, WWI, France 24th Rainbow Division, got more medals from the French than from America but served proudly. Father Normandy, Red Ball Express, Battle of the Bulge, Chosin Reservoir, Korea. And I was 9th Infantry Vietnam, 68-69. Based at BearCat.

SamKnause

(13,043 posts)
30. Father WW ll
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:08 AM
Jun 2020

Uncle WW ll father's side

Uncle WW ll mother's side

Uncle WW ll mother's side

Uncle Korean War mother's side

Uncle Vietnam War mother's side

Brother-in-law Vietnam War

There is your answer.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
74. wasn't looking
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:36 PM
Jun 2020

for an answer. Okay. Yours served also. Good for you. Colin Powell is at least speaking up. I like that and nothing anyone says about him will change that. You have a good day. Black Lives Matter

SamKnause

(13,043 posts)
75. You asked a question and I answered it.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jun 2020

Why so snarky ???

You have a good day as well.

Black Lives Matter

dembat

(47 posts)
82. llashram #13
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:29 PM
Jun 2020


I still respect Powell too. He was used and set up by Cheney. Powell was the most honest and Cheney wanted him gone because Bush tended to listen to Powell and Cheney felt he was being undermined by Powell. So he fed him misinformation. Powell still has not forgiven Cheney. Powell never wanted to go in Iraq. Remember that Bush wanted Powell as his V. P.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
86. I know
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:51 PM
Jun 2020

it's true. But some people need to believe what they want to. I always tell them, have at it, you're right even if you're wrong.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
14. As long as they have
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:39 AM
Jun 2020

(R) after their name. Where is Little Lindsey today, he is normally a fixture on one of these shows? Hot date, maybe?

dajoki

(10,678 posts)
23. Agreed...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:53 AM
Jun 2020

I will accept their help in removing the shitstain but we must remember that these people are the reason we are where we are.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
47. Powell was Cheney's yes man and Cheney was just as bad
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jun 2020

in many ways, he just wasn't personality disordered, just a RWNJ in love with his own dogma and incapable of seeing anything outside it. Powell knows all about knuckling under to a dangerous asshole with dangerous ideas.

He's no great patriot, either. However, at this point, we have to take what we can get. Maybe a few black and ex military Republicans will take notice.

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
55. My thinking also SK
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:28 PM
Jun 2020

I don't just give him a free pass because he has finally found religion so to speak.

Not after having been complicit in a major way to helping murder innocents or members of the U.S. military..........

I guess trying to cover up the Mai Lai massacre wasn't a big enough screw up for Powell, and that helping Cheney/Rumsfeld sway the American people into agreeing to a complete farce of a war would help him redeem himself to the good ol' boy white hierarchy....?????

And now he thinks that he can make up for all that if he backs Biden????? Good Luck with that
Powell, we wouldn't have been in such a mess except for people thinking you were honest, when you were actually lying your ass of about the WMD's and Iraq....

Same opinion for Condi Rice and others who sold their souls to the Great RepubliCONs and got us into the war in Afghanistan and the pillaging and plundering of Iraq.

gulliver

(13,142 posts)
68. People learn the most from their mistakes, so it makes no sense to ignore people who have made them.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jun 2020

Obviously, there comes a point where you are dealing with an idiot or repeat offender, but Powell's not that.

SamKnause

(13,043 posts)
69. Bullshit.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:11 PM
Jun 2020

When your mistake causes the deaths of U.S. soldiers, Iraqi soldiers, close to 1 million

innocent Iraqis, and destroys a country your credibility is gone.

If you want to forgive and forget, go ahead.

He is partly the reason Trump is president.

He is partly the reason this country is in debt because of his military blunder.

To call what he did a mistake is sickening.

gulliver

(13,142 posts)
70. I don't forgive or forget. Neither does he.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:13 PM
Jun 2020

I'm not saying forgive him. I'm saying let him tell us all about the mistake he made, show us all how bad it feels, let us learn from his mistake. Powell's different from little Dubya who still hasn't begun to atone for what he did.

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
11. I missed it. I was wondering how far he would go. I'm not surprised
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jun 2020

that he is voting for Biden. He voted for President Obama and Hillary.

Gore1FL

(21,032 posts)
21. While I am happy Powell is supporting Biden over Trump
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:52 AM
Jun 2020

It's difficult to forget that he helped George W. "Trump-with-Table-Manners" Bush lie us into the Iraq War.

They all suck.

mommymarine2003

(258 posts)
27. No fondness for Powell from me.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jun 2020

I do appreciate that Gen. Powell is speaking out against Trump and is supporting V.P. Biden; however, I will never forgive him for supporting Bush going into the Iraq War. My son was a young Marine at the time, and my father was a retired Marine officer as well as a veteran of 3 wars. We were against going to war, but we felt we needed to trust Gen. Powell because he as a military man would never send American troops to their death based upon a lie. Boy were we wrong to trust him. My son was with the 1st Marine Division that crossed into Iraq the first day of the war. His second deployment was to Ramadi, which was a nightmare. It took 10 years for my son to get his life back, and he still struggles. Any respect for Gen. Powell disappeared years ago. If some Republicans will listen to Powell and then vote for Biden, then at least Powell can get some redemption.

Stuart G

(38,365 posts)
28. After Bush Jr, Romney, now we have Colin Powell, one day later...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jun 2020

Think about that...This seems to be an organized confrontation of Donald Trump...by some of the most well known republicans in the United States..

Botany

(70,291 posts)
29. And how many millions of lives did this little stunt cost?
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:08 AM
Jun 2020


Look, if he is working to get Trump out of the White House great but I'm not ready to make nice
with a man with so much blood on his hands. Such as this little Kurdish boy whose family was
running from ISIS and ISIS was an outgrowth of the bush/Cheney war for oil in Iraq which Colin
helped to sell.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
44. And don't forget that the anthrax that was sent to the US Capital came from Ft. Derrick, MD.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jun 2020

And by DNA that was known well before Powell's act at the UN.



Powell's chief role was to garner international support for a multi-national coalition to mount the invasion. To this end, Powell addressed a plenary session of the United Nations Security Council on February 5, 2003, to argue in favor of military action. Citing numerous anonymous Iraqi defectors, Powell asserted that "there can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more." Powell also stated that there was "no doubt in my mind" that Saddam was working to obtain key components to produce nuclear weapons. from wiki

ProfessorGAC

(64,425 posts)
52. I Always Hated That Diagram
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jun 2020

I knew it was a fake the moment I saw it.
First, they didn't label everything, just the parts they thought sounded scary.
What are those reactors on the middle truck. Oh, never mind those, because the truck doesn't actually exist.
But, most egregious is the "spray dryers" on the 3rd truck.
No heat source, no vent stack, no air compressor for spray drying? Um, I think we have a design problem.
So, that truck doesn't exist either.
Makes it simple to conclude that the 1st one doesn't exist either.
Couldn't they have had someone lie better?

McKim

(2,412 posts)
85. Thank you for pointing that out!
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:19 PM
Jun 2020

Yes, these wars on Iraq and Syria have ruined the Middle East and created a refugee crisis with Europe bearing the brunt. That little toddler is just one tragedy of millions. No one ever talks about this, people want to ignore it.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
46. Even if all these people that the Right agreed with in the past come out against Trump
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:50 AM
Jun 2020

It won't change one thing about the hater evangelicals who will follow their Pied Piper Phony Savior Trump into an abyss and would just as soon kill the rest of us as to see us protest him.
Democracy is burning now and they're praising him for the flames.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
50. For those here that have pointed out that Colin Powell is a war criminal
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:16 PM
Jun 2020

You're absolutely correct. But remember - his stint on CNN today was not intended to change OUR opinion of Trump (or him, for that matter). His target is moderate Republicans who never held him accountable for his crimes and don't see the world the same way we do. With them, he still has credibility, so perhaps his message will affect a few votes. We need every vote we can to rid our country of the menace in the White House, period.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
54. Colin Powell, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:28 PM
Jun 2020

... along with Steve Schmidt, Rick Wilson, George Conway of the Lincoln Project.

IT'S HAPPENING FOLKS!!!

The Republican Party is splitting! Oh, they'll make a good show of unity, but they know they're polishing a turd here.

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
57. All of them
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:47 PM
Jun 2020

are still diehard RepubliCONs. They are anti-trump, not anti-RepubliCons.
The RepubliCon party is responsible for putting Trump in office along with the treasonous help from Putin.
If, for some reason, the RepubliCon controlled Senate were to turn on Trump, kick him out, and install Pence as president prior to the election, all of these people you mention and more would suddenly revert back to the Republican side immediately and help get Pence get elected in 2020.......

(If things get too hot in the kitchen with Trump, so to speak, I believe this is the Republican's Plan "B"......)

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
61. I get the feeling there are a few more GOPers who are quietly plotting...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:54 PM
Jun 2020

...to throw Trump under the bus. The GOP won't split into two parties. More likely is that there will be a sort of internal coup.

ooky

(8,885 posts)
64. We are seeing the split of the Republican Party starting to gain momentum
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jun 2020

with increasing numbers of traditional Republicans speaking out in defiance of Trump policies and outright incompetence. Let's hope it is enough to develop a life of its own, because if it does, Trump is toast.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
66. he can fuck himself right along with Dubya
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:17 PM
Jun 2020

people who lie their way into wars have zero moral standing

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
76. I think what bothers me the most about Colin
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jun 2020

is I could tell, when doing that sickening presentation, HE DID NOT BELIEVE WHAT HE WAS SAYING. And he did it anyways. Utterly inexcusable.

Six117

(205 posts)
77. Thanks to all the posters
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:32 PM
Jun 2020

Who took the time to give context and history to General Powell's actions. I appreciate any of them who finally stand up and call out this monstrous regime, but make no mistake -none of them are heroes. That should never be forgotten.

Boomer

(4,159 posts)
80. I don't give a shit
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:22 PM
Jun 2020

I don't give a shit what Colin Powell has to say about anything, ever. Got over him a long time ago, tyvm.

Backseat Driver

(4,339 posts)
89. Did the good General Colin Powell bring satellite photos to
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 02:38 AM
Jun 2020

show where the Bad King told him his bunker-busters or tiny coded handbags that are even more petite to match his grip "footballs" are hidden all over western desert National Parks??? <to be taken as sarcasm to be certain> or under his Tweet-gaming chairs in the WH???

I'm sorry, but General Powell can say anything he wants to about the Moron-in-Chief that throws shade on his behaviors over the last 3-1/2 years, all well-deserved, but it won't restore any of Powell's credibility or integrity in my eyes! Bush's orders may not have been illegal to the extent that oaths of protection were broken leading to warring after Mid East terrorist leadership then, but what ensued was an affront to Iraq's sovereignty...and America's lights in the world were dimmed at that moment, but it's water over the dam and did eventually destablize and eliminate Sadam Hussein, et al, but those blatant lies before Congress still ring in my ears.

ecstatic

(32,567 posts)
90. He gives the best endorsements.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 02:52 AM
Jun 2020

It's rare when you see someone who can talk with such clarity for 5+ minutes straight--and that's with no notes, no struggling or stammering, no gaffes. Yeah, he fucked up during the Bush admin, but he's a beast when it comes to public speaking. Hands down.

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