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DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:30 PM Sep 2012

FLIP flip FLIP flip Election map FLIP FLIP FLIP FLIPS **BIG** News on the Election Maps today....

I like to look at the election maps from The New York Times, TalkingPointsMemo (TPM), and the Huffington Post (hp) and sort of blend them together to average out the maps.

HOLY COW PEOPLE! If you haven't seen an election map for a while there are some big changes ahappenin'!

BOTH TPM AND HP HAVE ONLY 18 RED STATES LEFT!! (and six pink)

HP has turned ALL of its swing states blue except Iowa. Yes, that is right, Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampsire, Colorado and nevada are now all blue. SOUTH Carolina just went pink as did SOUTH DAKOTA and NEBRASKA.[/bTennessee and Georgia went pink right after the DNC and have stayed that way. ]HP is giving, at this point, 326 electoral votes to Obama.

TPM has also turned Montana, Arizona and Indiana pink. They have more swing states on their map but are giving Obama 274 electoral votes at this time.

NYT is the most conservative of the maps. They have not called any of the usual swing states. They have Missouri as pink. They give Obama a lead with their electoral votes coming in at 237.

The only sad news in all of this is Texas turned red after spending a week pink.

This is big news people! This is a shift in how the media is beginning to admit that Obama is ahead. They want a close election, that garners more readers and viewers, but nobody wants to be dead wrong. Nobody wants to be the paper running the "Mondale Wins!!" headline on accident.

I'm starting to think we might see a pretty good sized landslide.

http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/election/scoreboard
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/electoral-map
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map?hw

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FLIP flip FLIP flip Election map FLIP FLIP FLIP FLIPS **BIG** News on the Election Maps today.... (Original Post) DonRedwood Sep 2012 OP
Great news. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #1
Great news. AND we can't stop now until 49 states are blue or purple. nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #38
I'll settle for 30-40 of them :0) DonRedwood Sep 2012 #48
Great ! pangaia Sep 2012 #2
I want some more of those red states!! We gotta work hard for that DonRedwood Sep 2012 #4
Don.. i'm not going to say that we don't have to work oldhippydude Sep 2012 #25
I've seen plenty of states turn red over the years to know the work never ends til election night DonRedwood Sep 2012 #27
that's my thought oldhippydude Sep 2012 #32
HP is using a model designed by a political scientist bluestateguy Sep 2012 #3
Not a fan of Silver, eh? DonRedwood Sep 2012 #5
Nate Silver is brilliant bluestateguy Sep 2012 #12
phew! you had me worried there for a second. I've been finding him very interesting to follow. DonRedwood Sep 2012 #21
I like Nate Silver, Blue_In_AK Sep 2012 #35
My number one source for polls is Nate also Samantha Sep 2012 #66
Wish the House and Senate were more secure BlueToTheBone Sep 2012 #6
Yes. That is troubling to me. I keep reminding everyone vote (D) down the ticket! progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #9
Agree, it is essential to turn the House and keep the Senate mountain grammy Sep 2012 #45
I'm just hoping, if we don't take the house back, that at least some of the nutjobs go away DonRedwood Sep 2012 #52
I feel pretty good about the Senate (except for CT--what's up with that mess?) DonRedwood Sep 2012 #11
You ask about the state that kept electing Joe Lieberman? aquart Sep 2012 #16
I got lost in connecticut once... it had nice trees. DonRedwood Sep 2012 #22
Lieberman is retiring. We have Blumenthal instead of Dodd, who also retired. Jennicut Sep 2012 #30
How is his campaign? We haven't heard much about him. DonRedwood Sep 2012 #33
Here is Murphy's website. Since you are from CT, maybe you should do a "HELP OUR GUY WIN" post ? DonRedwood Sep 2012 #34
Thanks, I'll put together a good post later. Jennicut Sep 2012 #46
You do the post and I'll be your first kick, recommend and donation. How's that sound?! DonRedwood Sep 2012 #51
I sent him a few and he's got a good ad running. She's such a slimeball. lindysalsagal Sep 2012 #63
How much money has she spent so far to be senator? DonRedwood Sep 2012 #64
Millions. It's her second try. lindysalsagal Sep 2012 #65
I have been thinking landslie for quite awhile. n/t Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #7
At this rate it is almost one per day! DonRedwood Sep 2012 #13
Given what WE know jimlup Sep 2012 #8
Fox News, hate radio, church. Blanks Sep 2012 #18
I'll back you up on that. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #20
Tennessee is now pink at least! DonRedwood Sep 2012 #23
pretty much every country that has a murdoch-run press company is in the same boat DonRedwood Sep 2012 #28
I live in a deep red state proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #44
My dad was born in Kansas DonRedwood Sep 2012 #54
It was a great place to live until Brownback was elected. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #55
Republican house control there? DonRedwood Sep 2012 #58
Always proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #59
Ah. Yeah, the sensible Republicans were...sensible. DonRedwood Sep 2012 #60
In Texas, it's vote suppression Melissa G Sep 2012 #50
Wow and you have to wonder as Texas moves towards blue in 2016 jimlup Sep 2012 #57
seems they are doing it already DonRedwood Sep 2012 #61
You cannot imagine how bad it has been Melissa G Sep 2012 #62
I think it's over if Romney loses in Florida. Life Long Dem Sep 2012 #10
I think you are right DonRedwood Sep 2012 #26
I've been saying bigger landslide than 2008 since July. (nm) smackd Sep 2012 #14
I think you are right :0) I've been thinking the same thing since I saw the rep candidates DonRedwood Sep 2012 #41
He was impressive. Wasn't he the first one to exit? cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #53
yup DonRedwood Sep 2012 #68
I like playing with the map at 270towin.com NightWatcher Sep 2012 #15
Please dont forget about local elections. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #17
Only if we continue to WORK FOR IT. IllinoisBirdWatcher Sep 2012 #19
I'm workin! Duckworth, Warren, Shirod Brown, McCaskill, Obama + bunch of WI Dems have got $ from me DonRedwood Sep 2012 #24
As much I am thrilled with this, I still fear election fraud will hand Romney the office. liberal N proud Sep 2012 #29
. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #31
Texas still bright red. Texans must have the most racist, redneck, and stupid people in this country judesedit Sep 2012 #36
There are lots of good people there. Mariana Sep 2012 #42
+1 The Texans I know, I like. :0) DonRedwood Sep 2012 #43
These maps do not have me convinced. Hyper_Eye Sep 2012 #37
This isn't quite 2008, though. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #40
Fox and CNN basically ignored the polls that showed Obama ahead in 08 DonRedwood Sep 2012 #47
It's pretty amazing ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #56
There's already been a fair number of Republicans who've done just that. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #67
Swing States donqpublic Sep 2012 #39
Yeah but be aware of the lying, cheating, Iliyah Sep 2012 #49
I like electoral-vote.com Sirveri Sep 2012 #69
We NEED, NEED, NEED to push this fight down ballot! Texas Lawyer Sep 2012 #70
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
1. Great news.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:32 PM
Sep 2012

Iowa seems easier to flip to blue to me than some of those other states ... interesting. But I won't quibble.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
2. Great !
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:32 PM
Sep 2012

But never get complacent. We need to get out the vote to counter cheating, lies, hate and surprises...!!!

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
4. I want some more of those red states!! We gotta work hard for that
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:35 PM
Sep 2012

I remind myself these maps are based on polls of likely voters. If you only registered and voted in 2008 you most likely aren't counted as a likely voter...nor are minorities quite often.

:0) I WANT SOME MORE RED STATES!!!

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
25. Don.. i'm not going to say that we don't have to work
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:38 PM
Sep 2012

but there are a couple of situations where we are favored as we move forward... first of all the Republicans in effort to solidify their base, have managed to piss of all the electorate with the exception of old white men, and vacant chairs..

the good news is that there is now emerging a demographic change.. they are pissed and they are us... as the demographics change more and, more states will come into play.. Notably Arizona and Texas, probably North Carolina as well..

our job is to stay resolute and work our tails off till we have the wind at our back..

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
27. I've seen plenty of states turn red over the years to know the work never ends til election night
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:45 PM
Sep 2012

and starts over the minute the results are read.

But pep talks are good for the team. :0)

Imagine the pep talks the republicans are getting.

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
32. that's my thought
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:55 PM
Sep 2012

the day after the election we look forward to who we can get in 14..start recruiting and working (that's what we should have done in 08)

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
3. HP is using a model designed by a political scientist
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:33 PM
Sep 2012

Using actual science and professional statistical modeling.

Not some sniveling little ignorant reporter who just repeats the crap he hears at the Georgetown Cocktail Party.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
12. Nate Silver is brilliant
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:54 PM
Sep 2012

Nate Silver is a political scientist and statistician, though he holds no academic appointment. He is not a reporter, he just does a blog for NYT.

Nothing in my previous post should be referred to Silver at all. He's great.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
35. I like Nate Silver,
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:58 PM
Sep 2012

but he's often wrong when it comes to Alaska's politics. He can be forgiven, though, since there's seldom any rhyme or reason to what goes on here during elections.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
66. My number one source for polls is Nate also
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:32 PM
Sep 2012

I have made several posts here about his projections before the media started telling the truth about the swing states. However, since about September 9th, his electoral college vote number has declined about 13.2 points and Romney has risen by the same amount. That is disturbing. The only thing I can think of is that the mid-east turmoil has caused him some support. Obviously, Romney/Ryan have not done anything that would have dramatically caused an upward tilt, so what else could it be? He is now at 305.6 versus Romney's 232.4 which obviously is a great number, but note the drop in small print since 9/6:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

I am kind of worried about why that number is dropping. Talk me out of it.

Sam

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
6. Wish the House and Senate were more secure
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:36 PM
Sep 2012

Losing both the House and Senate will be a disaster. Also so many state Houses are turning red which is very ominous.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
9. Yes. That is troubling to me. I keep reminding everyone vote (D) down the ticket!
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:50 PM
Sep 2012

Send some $$ to the Congressional candidates, and be sure you know who is running in those races. A Democratic President without a cooperative House/Senate, will be a repeat of what we've had since 2010... roadblocks. Intentional roadblocks.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
45. Agree, it is essential to turn the House and keep the Senate
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:21 PM
Sep 2012

A few bucks to good Dems running around the country. I've sent $$ to Joe Mikloski trying to unseat the extreme Mike Coffman here in Colorado. Not my district, but Coffman's got to go, as do quite a few other crazies in the House. Go to the DCCC and give these good folks some support.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
11. I feel pretty good about the Senate (except for CT--what's up with that mess?)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:54 PM
Sep 2012

McCaskill has pulled ahead in the polls so I'm even pretty optimistic about that race!

As for the House...as long as Joe Walsh is gone, I'll feel the world is a better place.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
16. You ask about the state that kept electing Joe Lieberman?
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:01 PM
Sep 2012

Seriously?

Disclaimer: I am a New Yorker. I never have anything good to say about Connecticut or New Jersey.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
22. I got lost in connecticut once... it had nice trees.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:27 PM
Sep 2012

But I went to Rutgers and anything good about New Jersey is completely wiped away by the stench of Elizabeth. I hope that has gotten better since the 80s.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
30. Lieberman is retiring. We have Blumenthal instead of Dodd, who also retired.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:51 PM
Sep 2012

Blumenthal is an improvement. We also have a Dem governor now. The CT race is tight but not impossible. McMahon has tons of money and Murphy is pretty young and not as well known.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
33. How is his campaign? We haven't heard much about him.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:55 PM
Sep 2012

I'm thinking I might just have to drop him a small donation. We gave ourselves a budget of $100 to donate politically this year and we've used it up. BUT... I really don't like the idea of McMahon being a Senator. Another rich person who is willing to spend a fortune to buy herself fame and power. UGH.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
34. Here is Murphy's website. Since you are from CT, maybe you should do a "HELP OUR GUY WIN" post ?
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:58 PM
Sep 2012
http://www.chrismurphy.com/

share his address, maybe get him some money and press?

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
46. Thanks, I'll put together a good post later.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:26 PM
Sep 2012

He needs money but he is a good campaigner. Murphy is my Rep and once beat a formidable Nancy Johnson to get his seat.

lindysalsagal

(20,666 posts)
63. I sent him a few and he's got a good ad running. She's such a slimeball.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:24 PM
Sep 2012

She contradicts herself in her ads against Murphy, that he won't stop spending money/he's going to kill defence spending in CT and we'll lose JOBS!

Makes no sense at all, and CT people are a whole lot smarter up here than in some other regions. Even with all our money, we're blue, because even rich people don't want fools and dummies and liars in charge.

lindysalsagal

(20,666 posts)
65. Millions. It's her second try.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:12 PM
Sep 2012

Honestly, I don't bother with that kind of trivia. The funny thing is she doesn't seem to realize that claiming royalty status in professional wrestling isn't something to be proud of.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
7. I have been thinking landslie for quite awhile. n/t
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:40 PM
Sep 2012

All we need is for Romney to make one more goof up and he's toast in 3/4 the nation.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
8. Given what WE know
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:47 PM
Sep 2012

Why is there any Red on the map? I mean I know I know but really it is amazing. I've always wondered why so many Americans have been so totally fooled by the Repukes.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
20. I'll back you up on that.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:15 PM
Sep 2012

In Tennessee, there is NO liberal media outside of Memphis and it's sparse there.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
23. Tennessee is now pink at least!
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:28 PM
Sep 2012

And I really liked Al Gore so I have faith TN will come back to its senses.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
54. My dad was born in Kansas
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:29 PM
Sep 2012

As were his parents. Good people every one of them. :0) Even if they were from a red state.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
50. In Texas, it's vote suppression
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 05:19 PM
Sep 2012

and election fraud.
80,000 voters worth at least and that is in just this swipe.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021357001

So many efforts to keep power in the hands of old rich white guys when the majority of Texas is no longer that demographic.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
57. Wow and you have to wonder as Texas moves towards blue in 2016
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:41 PM
Sep 2012

exactly how desperate will they get. My guess is pretty desperate and they will do some serious anti-democratic things. We're going to have to fight them at every step.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
62. You cannot imagine how bad it has been
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:08 PM
Sep 2012

the last 10 or so years since the demographics have turned against the Repubs.Power grabs galore abound.

Delay's mid decade re redistricting started the down the rabbit hole experience and it has gotten worse from there with the rise of the Tea Party. Sad stuff.

We have been fighting, but since the R's had a super majority in the Lege and hold every major statewide office, there has not been much we have had success with.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
10. I think it's over if Romney loses in Florida.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:52 PM
Sep 2012

You could give Romney pretty much the remainder of toss up states except for Florida and one toss up state, and he still loses. One of these, Iowa, CO, WIS, VA, OH, NEV or even NH and Florida would do it for Obama.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
26. I think you are right
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:39 PM
Sep 2012

but, at this rate, Obama can lose Florida and still win. BUT, the medicaid issue is starting to swing in Obama's favor. He just may sweep the swings states if the older voter move in his direction even just a little bit. :0)

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
41. I think you are right :0) I've been thinking the same thing since I saw the rep candidates
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:53 PM
Sep 2012

the only one i was scared of was huntsman.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
19. Only if we continue to WORK FOR IT.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:10 PM
Sep 2012

GOTV is the key to this. Working around and through the attempted voter suppression.

This is not the time to predict landslides. This is the time to find new voters; turn more of the map blue.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
24. I'm workin! Duckworth, Warren, Shirod Brown, McCaskill, Obama + bunch of WI Dems have got $ from me
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:31 PM
Sep 2012

Zerbin in the primary.

I'm on a blue state--so I could say I've done my job.... but I'm helpin' out where and when I can on the bigger scale.

judesedit

(4,437 posts)
36. Texas still bright red. Texans must have the most racist, redneck, and stupid people in this country
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:07 PM
Sep 2012

Sorry to say Texans!

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
42. There are lots of good people there.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:05 PM
Sep 2012

They're outnumbered by the idiots in most areas, unfortunately.

However, I lived in Texas for a long time (just escaped last year) and I have to say the racists, rednecks, etc. in Texas aren't any worse than the racists, rednecks, etc. everywhere else. There are just so many of them...

Hyper_Eye

(675 posts)
37. These maps do not have me convinced.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:24 PM
Sep 2012

I will feel better when there is a much more visible break in President Obama's direction. A major news event or blunder by the President can still change the dynamics of this election. Today in 2008 the numbers were almost exactly where they are now but in McCain's favor. By the end of the month he was clearly losing in a huge way. That is how quickly the race can shift. Obviously in 2008 the catalyst was the incredible economic crisis along with John McCain's ridiculous response in suspending his campaign which was something the whole country could see through and it made him look reactive and silly.

You can see that comparison here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/obama_vs_romney_compared_to_obama_vs_mccain.html

I am not going to relax and be comfortable. This is still a very close race and there are still plenty of days between now and election day. We still haven't had a debate yet and there are four to occur. Any minute of them could turn into a disaster.

I believe that Nate Silver has a very good model. It is not perfect but it has been proven to be very accurate. Looking at his blog I want to see the popular vote spread increase. If I see that number holding steady at 52% I'm going to start to feel much more comfortable.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
40. This isn't quite 2008, though.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:42 PM
Sep 2012

McCain was actually kinda likeable despite the house gaffe and his choice of the caribou queen for a VP(not quite IMO, but compared to Romney?). But, after 8 years of screwups by Bush, an Obama win was practically assured regardless, especially thanks to the extraordinary amount of dedication from Democrats.

In all reality, the only thing close about this race is a few of the swing states. Obama would probably have this in the bag by now, but we have got to keep ensuring a steady turnout, and more importantly, get people registered to vote and keep fighting those odious voter ID laws!

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
47. Fox and CNN basically ignored the polls that showed Obama ahead in 08
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:27 PM
Sep 2012

They were slanted in the wrong direction from the get go.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
56. It's pretty amazing
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:55 PM
Sep 2012

I can truly say I never hated McCain, there might have even been a time waaay back in 2000 I'd have voted for him, but Mitt Romney is just awful. I've said it's near impossible for Obama to match 2008, but maybe, just maybe people will hate Romney THAT much they will run to Obama at the end of the day.....

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
67. There's already been a fair number of Republicans who've done just that.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:08 AM
Sep 2012

You thought 2008 was a revelation.....honestly, what's been happening this past year or so has just blown my mind, completely.

donqpublic

(155 posts)
39. Swing States
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:39 PM
Sep 2012

I want all the swing states. Though my concern is too much talk about big leads and landslides leads to people staying home. This obviously does not apply to the people here.

The battle cry.

It's close, it's close, it's close! Go vote, go vote, go vote!

If you prefer something more syncopated (not sure if that music term applies).

It's close, Go Vote!

It's close, Go Vote!

It's close, Go Vote!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
49. Yeah but be aware of the lying, cheating,
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:38 PM
Sep 2012

stealing and ugly politics that will ensue coming into the coming months. Vote and get people out to vote!

Remember the voter suppression laws and purging and GOPper Secretary of States in the GOP run states. Also remember that they will be sending out approx. 1 million voter vigilantes who will be effing with voters at the voting stations.

Texas Lawyer

(350 posts)
70. We NEED, NEED, NEED to push this fight down ballot!
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:41 PM
Sep 2012

I hope to win the Presidency (of course), but we need to keep a comfortable majority in the Senate (equally important), and we need to make substantial gains in the House (one reason the House Repubs succeed at creating a bottleneck is because the size of their majority allows them to ignore any moderates who might be open to compromise -- if we can win a majority or at least balance the House in a manner that will promote cooperation, that win would really bolster the importance of a Presidential win).

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