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Should police unions be liable for the behavior of its members? (Original Post) Xipe Totec Jun 2020 OP
Might be a very good way to self-reform. OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2020 #1
Good point! nt Geechie Jun 2020 #6
Yes. Dawson Leery Jun 2020 #2
Absolutely! Cirque du So-What Jun 2020 #3
It should come out of the pockets of the union members Xipe Totec Jun 2020 #9
I like my way too Cirque du So-What Jun 2020 #11
That opens the door to liability of other unions. Besides, if even possible... TreasonousBastard Jun 2020 #4
Exactly ... Geechie Jun 2020 #5
It's atypical for teachers to kill students. Xipe Totec Jun 2020 #7
everything should be on the table ESPECIALLY the police unions and what can be done beachbumbob Jun 2020 #8
Settlements, Sir, Should Be Paid Out Of Police Pension Contributions The Magistrate Jun 2020 #10
So Bankrupting The Pension Fund RobinA Jun 2020 #12
If they Behave, Sir, No One Will Suffer The Magistrate Jun 2020 #13

OAITW r.2.0

(23,862 posts)
1. Might be a very good way to self-reform.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:25 AM
Jun 2020

Nothing works as well as self-policing for your own economic interests.

Cirque du So-What

(25,812 posts)
3. Absolutely!
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:26 AM
Jun 2020

As far as who pays the insurance premium - the city or the police union - I don’t really GAF - as long as liability insurance is required. After instances of bad behavior, however, the bad cop should pay the increase in premium - and it needs to rise sharply.

Xipe Totec

(43,872 posts)
9. It should come out of the pockets of the union members
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jun 2020

To give them an incentive to get rid of the bad apples.

Cirque du So-What

(25,812 posts)
11. I like my way too
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 12:03 PM
Jun 2020

All cops get their ‘basic’ insurance paid. Any infractions that cause the premium to rise steeply are on the bad cop - and there’s the incentive.

Geechie

(857 posts)
5. Exactly ...
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:31 AM
Jun 2020

Ask the same question with the word “teacher” instead of “police.” Union reps generally provide legal backup but the whole union doesn’t get sued when a teacher gets called out for bad behavior.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
8. everything should be on the table ESPECIALLY the police unions and what can be done
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:35 AM
Jun 2020

to have them accountable for cost and civilian awards.

This is reform and not this bullshit "defund" crap

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
10. Settlements, Sir, Should Be Paid Out Of Police Pension Contributions
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:39 AM
Jun 2020

If the city has to pay out, say, twenty millions for a murder by police, that is twenty millions counted against the city's obligation to the police pension funds. If this results in reduced benefits, or over time even in the bankruptcy of the fund, that's something an officer ought to think of before he strangles someone, or decides a cell-phone is a pistol, or just figures to shoot because someone 'reaches for his waistband'.

RobinA

(9,878 posts)
12. So Bankrupting The Pension Fund
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 01:23 PM
Jun 2020

of all police is an effective and fair way to stop a some trigger happy cops from shooting someone? I'd have to say No and No.

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
13. If they Behave, Sir, No One Will Suffer
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 01:27 PM
Jun 2020

If one fuck-up costs everybody, everybody will have to be on the alert to prevent fuck-ups.

The settlements paid out for police misconduct should harm the police, not the taxpayers of the municipality.

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