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Sun Jun 14, 2020, 06:55 PM

NYTimes Op-ed warns of a Trump 'vaccine' October Surprise

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/8/1951550/-NYTimes-Op-ed-warns-of-a-Trump-vaccine-October-Surprise

Oct. 23, 2020, 9 a.m., with 10 days before the election, Fox News releases a poll showing President Trump trailing Joe Biden by eight percentage points.

Oct. 23, 2020, 3 p.m., at a hastily convened news conference, President Trump announces that the Food and Drug Administration has just issued an Emergency Use Authorization for a coronavirus vaccine. Mr. Trump declares victory over Covid-19, demands that all businesses reopen immediately and predicts a rapid economic recovery.


Drs. Ezekial J. Emanuel, an oncologist and bioethicist, and Paul A. Offit, a pediatrician who specializes in immunology and infectious diseases, are the authors of an alarming Op-ed, published in Monday’s New York Times , titled “Could Trump Turn a Vaccine Into a Campaign Stunt?” Dr. Offit is also the co-inventor of a rotavirus vaccine. Both are professors at the University of Pennsylvania. And both are worried right now.

The authors note that the National Institutes of Health will be conducting trials on at least 10 different potential vaccines during the summer with Astra Zeneca and Pfizer poised to conduct larger-scale administration of their sample vaccines into October. However, that is just the end of the beginning, so to speak, to determine whether such vaccines are actually safe across the population.

As the authors point out, this would provide Trump with an opportunity to declare “victory” over the COVID-19 pandemic, a declaration that would almost certainly be looked favorably on by Wall Street and the financial markets. They theorize that Trump could easily dovetail such a declaration with emphasis on an imminent economic recovery as a consequence. Millions of Americans would thereby be permitted to receive a vaccine that was untested and essentially unproven by the rigorous, “large, prospective, placebo-controlled studies of safety and effectiveness,” that have preceded the distribution and licensing of every vaccine produced in this country (such as the polio vaccine) over the past 70 years.

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Reply NYTimes Op-ed warns of a Trump 'vaccine' October Surprise (Original post)
sinkingfeeling Jun 2020 OP
elleng Jun 2020 #1
Hekate Jun 2020 #9
DBoon Jun 2020 #19
Blue_true Jun 2020 #40
Tree-Hugger Jun 2020 #2
Jarqui Jun 2020 #3
Hekate Jun 2020 #10
sop Jun 2020 #17
Jarqui Jun 2020 #33
no_hypocrisy Jun 2020 #4
Blue_true Jun 2020 #39
LeftInTX Jun 2020 #5
Horse with no Name Jun 2020 #22
LeftInTX Jun 2020 #25
keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #6
SoonerPride Jun 2020 #7
Renew Deal Jun 2020 #23
morillon Jun 2020 #8
BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #11
Blue_true Jun 2020 #41
struggle4progress Jun 2020 #12
budkin Jun 2020 #13
Blue_true Jun 2020 #42
Doreen Jun 2020 #14
Journeyman Jun 2020 #15
Jim__ Jun 2020 #16
Quixote1818 Jun 2020 #18
Blue_true Jun 2020 #43
Renew Deal Jun 2020 #20
Demovictory9 Jun 2020 #21
Tanuki Jun 2020 #27
JHB Jun 2020 #24
modrepub Jun 2020 #26
Docreed2003 Jun 2020 #28
Walleye Jun 2020 #29
OilemFirchen Jun 2020 #30
book_worm Jun 2020 #31
crickets Jun 2020 #32
tinrobot Jun 2020 #34
Ferrets are Cool Jun 2020 #35
brooklynite Jun 2020 #36
Blue_true Jun 2020 #44
SammyWinstonJack Jun 2020 #37
Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2020 #38
AwakeAtLast Jun 2020 #45
ooky Jun 2020 #46

Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:01 PM

1. Isn't THAT a good idea,

post an op-ed describing a way for repugs to cheat their way to 'victory,' Could Trump Turn a Vaccine Into a Campaign Stunt?”


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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:12 PM

9. You can bet Trump et al. have already thought of it. This just warns the reat of us. nt

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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:37 PM

19. The op-ed is trying to "vaccinate" us against Trump's bogus claim

Real news now inoculates us against puffery later

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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:36 PM

40. I fully expected a stunt around vaccines from him.

Why do you think they called their scam "warp speed". They are trying to set the image in people's heads that they can do something fast, the followup to that would be to announce a "big breakthrough" just before the election. Hopefully, people have seen enough of his act and will assume that he is lying once again.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:02 PM

2. Well then....

I'll vaccinate myself against Covid in October. Then I'll vaccinate myself against Trump on November 3.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:03 PM

3. I figured he was going to try something like this

But it won't be able to be proved or delivered until after the election.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:13 PM

10. Trump specializes in promising the moon to the gullible. He really does not care about any result...

...except his own short term gain.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:28 PM

17. He'll claim only he knows the vaccine formula, and will release it when he's re-elected.

It'll be like his "secret plan" to defeat ISIS during the 2016 campaign, or his replacement for Obamacare, or....

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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:56 PM

33. Absolutely.

The entire United States people except for maybe Ivanka and himself could die
and the only thing that would trouble him was who is going to serve him and shine his shoes.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:06 PM

4. No surprise to me.

It was either the Vaccine or some kind of Joe Biden scandal.

He knows he can't win on his record alone.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:33 PM

39. I totally expect him to pull a stunt with vaccines.

It is all a game to be "won" for that monster. That people will get harmed doesn't cross his mind. He is going to cheat, lie, use every unethical thing he can think of. We just need to be prepared for his BS and stop him in his tracks.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:07 PM

5. Maybe. Maybe not

news of vaccine trials spread around. Just having vaccines available for 350 million people and have the ability to vaccinate everyone by Nov 3rd would be nothing short of a miracle. It took months just to get testing and we still don't have enough tests.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:38 PM

22. They can't even send checks out to Americans

And we are to believe they can coordinate a vaccine campaign?

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:41 PM

25. I know

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:09 PM

6. The right ratios of bleach, Lysol, and hydroxychloroquine.

The right ratios of bleach, Lysol, and hydroxychloroquine.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:10 PM

7. He will say if you don't vote for me you don't get the vaccine

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:38 PM

23. That won't go well

Coronavirus isn't so deadly that people are desperate. People would be repulsed by the extortion.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:14 PM

11. He'll say it even though it turns out later there wasn't even anything in the syringes

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:38 PM

41. Exactly. nt

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:18 PM

12. "Even safer than drinking bleach! Even more effective than hydroxychloroquine!

Developed by top scientists at Trump University! It's America's latest response to the Bowling Green Massacre! And Mexico will pay for it!"

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:20 PM

13. Whatever.

Keep fighting and don’t let up.

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Response to budkin (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:38 PM

42. Bingo!!!!! nt

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:22 PM

14. Chloroquine, bleach, and cyanide perhaps?

For the poor, cheap used needles?

Death cures everything you know.

I would never touch anything this administration approves of.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:25 PM

15. Sufficient unto the day are the problems therein . . .

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself.
Sufficient unto the day
is the evil thereof.
~ Matthew 6:34

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:25 PM

16. Joe Biden and the democrats are forewarned. So, they should be forearmed.

If they warn people about an October surprise vaccine and then Trump delivers it, most people should not be fooled.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:33 PM

18. I think it would look like a stunt and backfire. There would need to be proof and the news media

would be all over it and looking into the details.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:40 PM

43. Don't count on the news media. We have seen them in action and it has been horrid. nt

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:37 PM

20. I don't think people are voting on whether or not a vaccine is available.

I don't think it impacts the election either way

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:38 PM

21. and he'll credit Ivanka with having discovered the vaccine.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:51 PM

27. ......

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:39 PM

24. I'm going to balk on this scenario

The cultists will swallow anything, but they're not enough. Trump's already minimized it and declared it behind us multiple times. Loudly and crudely. It's been a long stream of denial and bullshit. Over the next 3 moths we'll get more of it, especially if(when) 2nd wave shutdowns happen.

That late in the game, the sudden announcement of a vaccine won't deliver the "Trump provides a miracle" effect that he'll want it to, at least outside the inFOXicated.

Too many people will be suspicious that he's leaned on people to give the answer he wants.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:44 PM

26. I'll Take The Vaccine If It's Safe

I'll still not vote for him. We need something that will combat COVID-19 if we want to get some semblance of normalcy.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:53 PM

28. We should be surprised

His own representative said that the priority was producing a vaccine, regardless of safety or efficacy. I have no doubt they will try this.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:53 PM

29. I'm gonna count on his incompetence.

We should begin to campaign on the disastrous response that would occur for any crises in the next four years.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:08 PM

30. If so, it will be incumbent on the manufacturer to either confirm its safety and efficacy,

or disclaim it. Vehemently.

No pharmaceutical company wants the liability associated with rushing a vaccine. And if this administration provides immunity from liability, no one in their right mind would trust or believe the announcement.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:10 PM

31. That wouldn't save him

It goes deeper than this pandemic. People are tired of HIM.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:12 PM

32. The blinders are off now, for all but the most eager to be fooled.

He's shown his ineptitude and his willingness to lie, even to kill people with his lies, too many times now. He attacked US citizens and trespassed on church grounds for a campaign photo op. At this point, I don't think there will be any "surprise" when he lies about a vaccine right before the election.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:00 PM

34. Even if true, nobody will believe him.

The guy has cried wolf too many times.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:19 PM

35. I may be wrong, but there are NO undecided's at this time.

If you are gonna vote for that orangeanus in November, nothing is going to change your mind and vice versa.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:23 PM

36. No significance to the fact that it appears in the Times...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:46 PM

44. Mind filling in those of us who don't read tealeaves? nt

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:31 PM

37. Yeah, NOT gonna fall for that. Known Liar, nuff said. Won't vote for that Maggot, period.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:07 PM

38. Several things here:

1. Development of a vaccine/treatment(s) are the basic responsibility of any government confronted with a pandemic. If Trump achieves this by October/November, great, but it's the bare butt minimum that any government would be expected to do. So, if one is developed and proven safe and starting to get administered, great, but it won't be "game over" for COVID-19 quite yet. It will have to be administered to millions of people over a course of several months (possibly with multiple doses), so we would still need to maintain some level of caution until it is available widespread and people are beginning to become inoculated against the virus.
2. Having a vaccine available does NOT wipe out Trump's lack of responsiveness to the pandemic, nor his lack of leadership and, at times, his totally awful leadership during the pandemic.
3. Having a vaccine does not bring back the hundreds of thousands of people whom have died and the thousands that will continue to die every week from it until it is no longer an issue, not to mention all of the people who got the virus and may have developed long-term medical issues due to their exposure to it. Trump and others will likely argue that it could have been worse (hundreds of thousands of dead people is still appalling IMHO and the counter hasn't stopped yet), but there is a counterfactual argument to be made that it could have been better had certain things been in place, faster response time, more restrictions, and, most importantly, competent national leadership.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:48 PM

45. A lot of Trumpers are Anti-Vaxxers

They will absolutely not like him forcing a vaccine.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:01 PM

46. We already know he'll tell any lie he has to. The last ten days are going to be a

massive liefest.

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