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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump walking down the ramp. Observation: Trump's left leg takes the step and the right
leg catches up. Left leg take the step and the right catches up. He tried to have the right go forward once and had to pause and went back to left foot and then the right. So, something is up with the right side. It was that side that the right arm could left the water but the wrist could not tip the cup up to drink water and needed the other hand to tip it. He holds his right arm to body without movement on a lot of his walking too.
Oh, the step he was taking down the ramp caught my attention because I sprang my ankle a couple weeks ago and going down the stairs I had to step down with good ankle and then sprained ankle had to come to that step so I could step down on the good ankle.
And as for his bday. I thought the man was older than Biden. I thought he was in his 80's. I really did. He moves like a man much older than 74 yrs young.
nolabear
(41,915 posts)There are a coupe of examples, like the water, of his right arm needing steadying. I didnt think this was a real trend for a while but Ive seen enough consistency to make me think something is up.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)LizBeth
(9,946 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Takket
(21,424 posts)did we ever find out why he had that unannounced rushed trip to Walter Reid? The one they said was for a "physical".
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)He sure looks as if mild stroke victim to me.
machoneman
(3,951 posts)..off the WH grounds to the hospital. Bet they did a scan of his head.....and found nothing!
napi21
(45,806 posts)both hands to drink from a glass. That's because I have shaky hands, and some times they are worse than others * I need to stead the glass with both so it doesn't spill. hen I saw gum I instantly thought "Oh, he's nervous about something." Walking down the ramp looked like he was unsteady and there was no railing to hold onto. That could also be from bad nerves. It sounds odd to me, but maybe he was nervous about speaking at West Point?
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)can be found on a list of symptoms for ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease). Progressively worsening symptoms.
[link:https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Amyotrophic-lateral-Sclerosis-ALS-Fact-Sheet|]
What are the symptoms?
The onset of ALS can be so subtle that the symptoms are overlooked but gradually these symptoms develop into more obvious weakness or atrophy that may cause a physician to suspect ALS. Some of the early symptoms include:
fasciculations (muscle twitches) in the arm, leg, shoulder, or tongue
muscle cramps
tight and stiff muscles (spasticity)
muscle weakness affecting an arm, a leg, neck or diaphragm.
slurred and nasal speech
difficulty chewing or swallowing.
For many individuals the first sign of ALS may appear in the hand or arm as they experience difficulty with simple tasks such as buttoning a shirt, writing, or turning a key in a lock. In other cases, symptoms initially affect one of the legs, and people experience awkwardness when walking or running or they notice that they are tripping or stumbling more often.
When symptoms begin in the arms or legs, it is referred to as limb onset ALS. Other individuals first notice speech or swallowing problems, termed bulbar onset ALS.
Regardless of where the symptoms first appear, muscle weakness and atrophy spread to other parts of the body as the disease progresses. Individuals may develop problems with moving, swallowing (dysphagia), speaking or forming words (dysarthria), and breathing (dyspnea).
Although the sequence of emerging symptoms and the rate of disease progression vary from person to person, eventually individuals will not be able to stand or walk, get in or out of bed on their own, or use their hands and arms.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)Interesting. Thanks.
catbyte
(34,169 posts)like a stroke can, which is much more consistent with the symptoms I've seen.
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)[link:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2077699/|]
The patient gradually developed spasticity, increased tendon reflexes, and weakness in both legs and both arms, more severe on the right side.
[link:https://www.mda.org/disease/amyotrophic-lateral-sclerosis/signs-and-symptoms|]
ALS typically announces itself with persistent weakness or spasticity in an arm or leg (80 percent of all cases), causing difficulty using the affected limb.
https://www.massgeneral.org/neurology/als/patient-education/diagnosing-als
Muscle weakness (which is often only on one side of the body, such as one arm or one leg) as well as changes in the character of the individuals voice (especially slurred words or slowness of speech).
catbyte
(34,169 posts)I still say it's more likely a stroke or dementia, but I guess we'll see eventually.
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)Lithos
(26,397 posts)I'm thinking he's a zebra with many different things going on neurologically.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)at people who are speaking. Most people pivot their eyes.
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)[link:
|]ARPad95
(1,671 posts)a combo of both in between.
[link:https://www.theaftd.org/what-is-ftd/ftd-and-als-ftd-als/|]
The discovery in 2011 that the C9orf72 gene mutation can cause both FTD and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) has transformed a long held belief that ALS is purely a movement disorder and that FTD is purely a cognitive or behavioral form of dementia.
It is now recognized that the C9orf72 gene is the most common gene causing hereditary FTD, ALS and ALS with FTD. We now know that several other genes can also cause both diseases. FTD or frontotemporal degeneration is a progressive brain disease with changes in behavior, personality, and language dysfunction due to loss of nerve cells in the frontal and temporal lobes. ALS is a neurodegenerative disease with loss of upper (located in the brain) and lower (located in the spinal cord) motor neurons that leads to paralysis, dysphagia, dysarthria and eventually respiratory failure.
Describing the clinical syndrome where both FTD and ALS occur in the same person has been an area of active research and our knowledge of the underlying genetics, pathology and clinical features is still unfolding. At present, the most comprehensive description found in the research literature refers to this complex as ALS-Frontotemporal spectrum disorder.
[link:http://www.alsa.org/research/focus-areas/cognitive-studies/|]
Although earlier studies described some degree of cognitive change in a percentage of people living with ALS, it is only recently widely recognized and more clearly defined, especially in light of the discovery of genetic mutations linked to both ALS and frontotemporal dementia (FTD). ALS and FTD are now considered a spectrum disorder with pure ALS or pure FTD at either end of the spectrum and ALS combined with FTD to varying degrees. People suffering from cognitive changes, as seen in FTD, show change in personality and in mental processes.
Cognitive changes appear in several degenerative disorders of the nervous system, such as Parkinsons disease (PD) and Alzheimers disease (AD). FTD differs from the dementia in Alzheimers disease in that memory stays intact, but other higher order functions such as decision-making, foresight and speech can become severely impaired. The gene mutations and proteins identified for AD and FTD are distinct and the affected regions of the brain differ.
Frontotemporal refers to the forward part of the brain that sits above the eyes and behind the temples. Lowering of the function of this region can lead to impulsive, compulsive, and emotional behavior.
Jarqui
(10,110 posts)Right side neglect:
Stated too simply to provide the concept: a stroke on the left side of the brain can affect the right side of the body.
More commonly, stroke victims have left side neglect - the other side of the brain suffers the damage from a stroke.
It could explain his problem with the water drinking and walking.
Could explain some of his other dementia like symptoms.
He's probably having TIAs - little strokes - which would explain some of his speech problems.
The guy is under incredible stress. Juggling 18,000+ lies, pressure from Putin, Roger Stone or others who are blackmailing him, financial pressures on a business that has always been a house of cards, all kinds of litigation for personal suits and congress, lousy polls, unable to trust anyone in the GOP except those he's blackmailing, potential scrutiny for tax evasion, facing jail if he loses the election, etc.
He's a cardiovascular event waiting to happen - if it hasn't been happening already - as it appears it has.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Jarqui
(10,110 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)at this more closely, his right hand is ok, but he feels the need to force his left hand to awkwardly "participate"? His neglected side is his left side. Correct?
No, you are saying the opposite.. his left side is ok, it's his right side he thinks he needs help with.
Jarqui
(10,110 posts)that cannot tip the glass
NRaleighLiberal
(59,940 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,437 posts)There was obviously something going on there, he was in medical distress.
NRaleighLiberal
(59,940 posts)nocoincidences
(2,195 posts)right sided symptoms.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)LizBeth
(9,946 posts)ARPad95
(1,671 posts)onenote
(42,374 posts)ARPad95
(1,671 posts)He has a fear of falling due to declining (no pun intended) motor skills and mobility. He was so "worried" in his tweets about President Obama taking a fall and looking unpresidential. Falling. That's Trump's fear. Not a long held phobia of stairs or 1:12 slope wheelchair ramps.
He had no problem riding down an escalator at the start of his campaign for president. An escalator is far more fear inducing than a simple set of stairs to come down. He didn't have to use any gross motor skills to ride down the escalator just like he doesn't have to use them to ride around in a cart on a golf course. He knows he has serious problems with maintaining balance and that's why he fears going down stairs or an ADA-approved ramp. He knows he can easily fall.
onenote
(42,374 posts)ARPad95
(1,671 posts)Did he have a phobia of stairs first or did he start having mobility/balance issues first? Either way, he is afraid of coming down stairs and ramps and he is having mobility/balance issues.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)doc03
(35,148 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)LizBeth
(9,946 posts)A lot of people with tremors does that.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)glass with the weak side hand. Unless it's just out of total habit and he forgets?
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)then like the fourth step forgot and tried to go forward on the right and had to pause.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Peace06
(248 posts)It wouldnt surprise me one bit if he did it on purpose just to get everyone talking about it and to distract from all his criminal activity.
Aussie105
(5,211 posts)Not many left!
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)LizBeth
(9,946 posts)supposition.
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)One can barely walk due to a bad hip replacement and scoliosis of the back. But his left arm still works so he can still swing a club, even if he looks like Quasimodo doing it. And the golf cart takes him everywhere, so he doesnt need to walk. He actually has a pretty good drive, better than his putting.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,643 posts)Good observations, LizBeth! Something is wrong with his right side.
3Hotdogs
(12,207 posts)Before that, he had difficulty navigating stairs at Chequers in U.K. He had to hold onto Theresa May to stabilize himself while walking down stairs. That was summer, 2019.
Whatever is wrong with him, it is not a new disease.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)ToxMarz
(2,154 posts)Kim Jung-un called it!
LittleGirl
(8,261 posts)every single day.
The slurs, the unsteadiness, the anger, the droopy sounding speeches he gives reading off the teleprompter.
The fact that he can't stand still.
Watch him if someone else is at the podium and he's behind.
He can't focus and just moves his body sideways to turn. He's fucked up.
Every single day.
Cha
(295,899 posts)to forget some of it.
Now that you mention it.. that tweet was posted here about him not being about to stand still. Can't find it though..
And, speaking of "high as a kite".. whatever he takes.. if it's Adderall for instance.. it's bound to have long term detrimental side effects after so many years!
LittleGirl
(8,261 posts)that are stoned, high on narcotics etc, and he behaves the same.
Cant stand still, cant focus his eyes, gets dizzy and slurs. Jerky hand movements and stumbling over their words. High as a kite. The dude is wasted.
Cha
(295,899 posts)see that. It's way beyond Red Bull.
LittleGirl
(8,261 posts)so it makes the high ones that much more obvious.
bdamomma
(63,652 posts)of snorting Adderall. He's fucked up alright. He thinks he can fool us not all of are like his cult, Ignorant and arrogant.
dem in texas
(2,672 posts)I can't remember the whole story, but did note that it was an odd time to get an annual physical and it was not scheduled, then nothing was released about it. I wonder if he is suffering mini-strokes.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)onenote
(42,374 posts)As far back at least three years, it was being reported that he has a phobia about stairs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38802648/donald-trump-is-scared-of-stairs---but-what-is-bathmophobia
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4702582/is-donald-trump-scared-of-stairs-these-pictures-could-prove-the-truth-once-and-for-all/
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)extreme fear of height he would have been well aware of that ramp and already figured how he was going to get down it and one of the foremost action would have been not to be on the outer side of the thing. but the side the military man was on. But yes, the little steps and inching way down, then see he is at the end and have the flourish couple last steps, triumphant, would work.
tavernier
(12,322 posts)I just want him to pack up his little MAGA bag and move out. Buh-by.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)but his bloated ego won't let him admit he has a problem(s).
Quixote1818
(28,903 posts)attention, pressure etc. from all over the world is extremely hard on his health. He also doesn't exercise as he even rides around in a golf cart when playing golf. He doesn't eat healthy and just being hateful has to be hard on your health.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)LizBeth
(9,946 posts)That would make it hard to walk, I imagine.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)For me it had/has to do with weight. I have recently lost 80 pounds and can do stairs normally now but I still have to remind myself. It's become a habit that I now have to break.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)Being old, I know I approach the stairs differently today than I did a decade or two ago. Either of my ankles could give going down.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)I would love for Joe to challenge him to basic flexibility and dexterity exercises....since he called Hillary's health and stamina into question, it would be a brilliant surprise attack on Trump, but also because it would show that Joe is more physically (and mentally) fit than Primate Trump.
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)judges they want and get everything else they want. I keep going back to that trip to Walter Reed.