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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 10:53 PM Jun 2020

John Bolton betrayed his duty to his country.

He put his book above the welfare of this country.

He was the one person that could have spoken up during the impeachment and he chose to be silent, and wait for his book to be published.

He knew how dangerous and how criminal Donald Trump was and he chose to keep it quiet.

In no way should he now be applauded for coming out with his revelations.

If Trump's actions were as bad as he now says, there is no excuse for Mr Bolton.

(on edit: Perhaps we should ask why?)

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John Bolton betrayed his duty to his country. (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2020 OP
I agree Renew Deal Jun 2020 #1
Yep. FM123 Jun 2020 #2
Seems criminal to withhold such information & fail to alert some authority... spanone Jun 2020 #3
Oh, but he says he did alert.....Bill Barr. Nevilledog Jun 2020 #6
The criminal alerted another criminal....how republican spanone Jun 2020 #16
I completely agree and have been saying as much. herding cats Jun 2020 #4
He is a repug still. padfun Jun 2020 #5
EVERYONE WHO ENABLES OR ENABLED TRUMP DOES THAT Skittles Jun 2020 #7
Meh. Nothingburger. The senate was never going to remove donnie unblock Jun 2020 #8
The GOPhers probly already knew what he has now told us all. lastlib Jun 2020 #10
The only concern Collins honestly has is in winning another term in the Senate even though she said cstanleytech Jun 2020 #11
That is the saddest chapter of all. kentuck Jun 2020 #14
Thank You. djacq Jun 2020 #9
Knowing what he knew when the impeachment trial was going on duforsure Jun 2020 #12
spot on. He, Pompeo, whomever else was at that meeting with Xi and heard the idiot plead with Xi for onetexan Jun 2020 #19
Exactly Sunsky Jun 2020 #13
Why not go along with the White House on this? DVRacer Jun 2020 #15
K and R Quixote1818 Jun 2020 #17
It would not have made much difference in the Senate. BlueNIndiana Jun 2020 #18
I disagree re: speaking up during the impeachment trial raising2moredems Jun 2020 #20
John Bolton is one of the few people TheFarseer Jun 2020 #21
Did anyone read George Conway's article in the WaPo re: Bolton's Mistake? smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #22
Quiet for his book $ale$. Cha Jun 2020 #23

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
4. I completely agree and have been saying as much.
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 10:59 PM
Jun 2020

He sold out his country in his quest for profits from his book. That's is inexcusable.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
7. EVERYONE WHO ENABLES OR ENABLED TRUMP DOES THAT
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:04 PM
Jun 2020

TRAITORS, ALL OF THEM......and they have the NERVE to question the patriotism of FOOTBALL PLAYERS.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
8. Meh. Nothingburger. The senate was never going to remove donnie
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 11:23 PM
Jun 2020

And I don't think Bolton's revelations would have changed any of his followers' minds, either.

It probably has no real impact now, either.

Then again, who knows. This book coming out at a real low point for Donnie, when he's botching the pandemic response, when we're in a deep recession, maybe a kick when he's down might have more impact.

But overall, much ado about nothing.

lastlib

(23,213 posts)
10. The GOPhers probly already knew what he has now told us all.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 01:30 AM
Jun 2020

They didn't care; they were not going to vote to remove the Traitor regardless.

AnusMouth was right at least in one respect--he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, and still not lose any votes--in the Senate (although Susie might blurt out some "concern"....).

cstanleytech

(26,283 posts)
11. The only concern Collins honestly has is in winning another term in the Senate even though she said
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 01:35 AM
Jun 2020

she would only serve twice.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
14. That is the saddest chapter of all.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 07:07 AM
Jun 2020

They know and they don't care. Remaining in power is all that is important. Have we ever seen in our history a more traitorous bunch than this present Republican Party? At least, in the Civil War, the Confederates sold out to their own people. Trump Republicans have sold out to our foreign enemies.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
12. Knowing what he knew when the impeachment trial was going on
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 05:08 AM
Jun 2020

Then refusing to appear before the House to reveal all the corruption going on from trump for profit over the welfare of this country just shows how greed driven and unpatriotic he is, but trump is a threat to the National Security of this country and Bolton did nothing when he should have. He may have legal issues after trump and Barr are gone. Love to see him handcuffed and headed to prison with the rest of these crooks.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
19. spot on. He, Pompeo, whomever else was at that meeting with Xi and heard the idiot plead with Xi for
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 10:34 PM
Jun 2020

China to help him win election and telling Xi their concentration camps for Uighurs was ok - all of these men were derelict in their sworn duty to protect the Constitution and the nation they serve. They are all complicit in his crimes. They should have alerted Congress immediately.

DVRacer

(707 posts)
15. Why not go along with the White House on this?
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 09:26 AM
Jun 2020

Go ahead and demand Bolton be charged like dumbass wants don’t fight it. Think about it having Bolton rot in jail wouldn’t be a bad thing. He is more dangerous down the road than Donnie boy.
Have Cory Booker and Kamala Harris lead the charge in the Senate make Turttle either defend his president or his friend lmao. If done right it would be hilarious to unfold before Election Day.

 

BlueNIndiana

(94 posts)
18. It would not have made much difference in the Senate.
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 08:28 PM
Jun 2020

As long as the base of the GOP is fanatically behind Trump the GOP led Senate would never get enough votes to throw Trump out.

I agree Bolton was wanting to cash in but to say his testimony would somehow cause the GOP to stop supporting Trump is a stretch. I am not sure it would even cause one more GOP Senator to vote for removal.

The bottom line is the base does not care what Trump does even if it is betraying the country.

The reality is voting him out of office with a wide enough margin to over come, fraud, voter suppression, etc. is the solution.

raising2moredems

(638 posts)
20. I disagree re: speaking up during the impeachment trial
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 10:54 PM
Jun 2020

It wouldn't have mattered what Bolton said. There is no way the senate was going to convict. The republicans made a deal with the devil and were convinced it ensured their safety.

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
21. John Bolton is one of the few people
Thu Jun 18, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jun 2020

Who can contend with Trump and McConnell for biggest dickhead in the USA.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. Did anyone read George Conway's article in the WaPo re: Bolton's Mistake?
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:42 AM
Jun 2020
John Bolton made a tragic mistake. It’s not the one you might think.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/14/john-bolton-made-tragic-mistake-its-not-one-you-might-think/

"Bolton also didn’t hold back to help Trump, or to spite Democrats. Bolton obviously holds Trump in utmost contempt, and left any bridge to the administration in ruins when he departed last fall. He had every reason to tell his story, as he’s doing now. And had Bolton’s testimony led to a Senate conviction, the result, of course, would have been … President Pence. Republicans would have been better off.

Nor did fear of legal consequences keep Bolton mute. He obviously doesn’t think that Trump has any power to keep him from telling his story, under oath or otherwise; he’s publishing his book even though he hasn’t received clearance from the government. That means he doesn’t think anything he has to say is legitimately classified or subject to executive privilege, which in turn means he could have testified to it all six months ago. And even if he left some classified details out of the book, he could have testified about them behind closed doors.

[snip]

The only way to make sense of Bolton’s behavior is to recognize that he actually did intend and expect to testify. He wanted to testify, but wanted to appear to be forced to do it. Perhaps he thought that, as a reluctant witness, he’d be less open to being caricatured as a disgruntled, discharged adviser, and his credibility would have been enhanced. So he insisted on a court order to appear before the House.

When that didn’t happen, Bolton began virtually begging to testify: He announced before the Senate trial commenced that “if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify” without any court order at all. During the trial, perhaps not serendipitously, word leaked about how Bolton’s book would establish a quid pro quo linking Ukraine security assistance to Ukraine helping to smear former vice president Joe Biden — and about how Bolton hoped to testify.

But Bolton made one fateful misjudgment. He overestimated the character, honor and patriotism of Senate Republicans. It would have taken just four, joining with Democrats, for the Senate to have issued a subpoena. But only two voted to hear Bolton testify. A Yale-educated lawyer, Bolton perhaps calculated that Senate Republicans would live up to their oaths of office, and to the separate impeachment-trial oath they took to do “impartial justice.” He assumed they would uphold the Constitution. Sadly, he was wrong."

Bolton is not a good guy, but I think some people here are going a little overboard on demonizing him. After all, the enemy of our enemy and all. He could be helpful in the days to come. I would like to see what he has to say before cutting him off at the knees.

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