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Michael Moore's epic fail preserved in twitter: Crowing about the big crowds expected for Trump (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jun 2020 OP
four years ago there were people like Michael Moore, David Sirota, Jill Stein, etc. doing everything still_one Jun 2020 #1
In fairness I think MM supported voting for HRC in the last 2 months... Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #3
A backhanded demoralizing support if anything, pushing the theme still_one Jun 2020 #51
After the kneecapping and damage had been done. He's a fraud. NurseJackie Jun 2020 #111
MM using ineffective ultra-progressives to his advantage DenverJared Jun 2020 #71
MICHAEL MOORE just sucks. i don't believe him anymore. trueblue2007 Jun 2020 #106
Michael isnt wrong, well he is if he is saying the traitor can WIN, he cant WIN, but he can STEAL Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #2
MM isn't wrong about not taking this election for granted. It's just that Moore has an air of Demovictory9 Jun 2020 #4
I know, he is like that...it is that "I know better than you, I told you this, I told you that" Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #5
He makes his living complaining about Repukes he helps to power. NNadir Jun 2020 #12
No, he was too busy making films about the issues that we care about. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #21
Speak for yourself. NNadir Jun 2020 #73
Michael Moore's a type, a type the left has that the right doesn't: Hortensis Jun 2020 #93
+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #95
In general, I don't like to make an argument that the only reason people do anything... NNadir Jun 2020 #113
+1000. I suspect he wanted to be good, but like his type Hortensis Jun 2020 #115
He said Obama will only be known as being a Black President JI7 Jun 2020 #66
Michael Moore is very progressive. He does not want repubs to win. He does not want people to take diva77 Jun 2020 #6
Exactly, and I don't blame him for being worried Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #7
Seriously? You do understand that in 1992 Ross Perot saved us by splitting the vote. Clinton never Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #17
Michael Moore was strongly behind Kerry JonLP24 Jun 2020 #23
He was not during the primary . He supported Clark and Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #55
That's a GOP and a complete myth Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #87
It is not GOP but true...somethings just are. We were so far right in 92 after 12 years of GOP Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #89
No it is a false GOP talking point. Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #94
We can trade links all you want and I can send you mine...but for what purpose....those who rewrite Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #98
Send your links and we'll see if they are credible Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #100
Uh huh.. MM is so "progressive" he said President Obama Cha Jun 2020 #13
I'm with you ....can't stand MM Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #31
Mahalo for pointing that out, Kasper.. I had forgotten that Cha Jun 2020 #37
+1000 nt jrthin Jun 2020 #39
Mahalo, jrthin.. Cha Jun 2020 #74
I lost so much respect for him over that, mcar Jun 2020 #40
MM doesn't help.. Cha Jun 2020 #76
He wants to be right...and wants us to lose... A pos Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #14
Michael Moore is so progressive he just put out a movie on climate change... jcgoldie Jun 2020 #27
he could raise holy hell by telling UM and MSU to stop supporting limbaugh certainot Jun 2020 #69
lmao the same Moore who voted Nader and said Gore was the same as Bush? Drunken Irishman Jun 2020 #97
He's not for Democrats. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #47
Moore's greater point: stay vigilant, assume nothing. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2020 #8
I wish he would talk more about how there is NOTHING the GOP and Putin wont do. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #9
He doesn't because he sympathizes with the greenwalds , putin, and that usual crowd JI7 Jun 2020 #65
I despise Michael Moore and all he is doing is pumping Trump up. Fuck Michael Moore...I take no Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #15
It's the same shit he says every cycle. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #48
"If you are once again not taking my warnings seriously" betsuni Jun 2020 #10
Exactly, betsuni.. I don't need Michael, "..Obama will only be remembered Cha Jun 2020 #16
It's ironic because the ones who were complacent and "cocky" last time and betsuni Jun 2020 #30
OMG.. That's so CORRECT! Thank you for Pointing Cha Jun 2020 #35
He promotes the myth of Democrats as snobby elites, that Democrats don't inspire betsuni Jun 2020 #75
No, MM.. "We" are Not "counting on hatred of trump" speak Cha Jun 2020 #77
He shouldn't say "we" or "us." betsuni Jun 2020 #79
Exactly.. MM needs to Cha Jun 2020 #80
He said Democrats have "no message, no plan, no leaders" in 2017. betsuni Jun 2020 #85
And, as I quoted him upthread.. he said.. . " President Obama Cha Jun 2020 #88
That is idiotic! betsuni Jun 2020 #90
That statement is straight up bigoted, and yet so many give him a pass. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #49
I know.. it's Cha Jun 2020 #78
I don't recall him saying Russian inteference isn't real JonLP24 Jun 2020 #20
I changed it to not taking it seriously. betsuni Jun 2020 #32
He was right in 2016. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #24
Because he once correctly predicted that one person in a two-person race would win StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #34
He was wrong in 2012. betsuni Jun 2020 #84
Moore has predicted a Republican victory in every election since 2008 Downtown Hound Jun 2020 #114
... Scurrilous Jun 2020 #26
.. Cha Jun 2020 #81
... Scurrilous Jun 2020 #82
. Cha Jun 2020 #83
Taking winning easily for granted is the point, Thomas Hurt Jun 2020 #11
Confidence helps you win...not the samething as taking anything for granted which we don't. We have Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #18
Not a MM fan, I just don't like him, but he's not entirely wrong. Fla Dem Jun 2020 #19
Same, I am not going to assume we have it in the bag until all is said and done. n/t demmiblue Jun 2020 #28
Seems like you felt the way I did on election night 2016. Blue_true Jun 2020 #46
Poor Mike just doesn't seem to get anything right these days. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #22
He was right in 2016, were you? HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #25
Bahaha BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #29
Why do people act as if rallies are the end all and be all of campaigning? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #33
Yes! betsuni Jun 2020 #42
And it's not just on the other side StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #44
I don't really want to argue this JonLP24 Jun 2020 #52
No wonder egos get wildly inflated and reality distorted! betsuni Jun 2020 #53
Most of those rallies with large numbers attending was pretty much because of the Live Bands they JI7 Jun 2020 #67
What part of his comparing BIDEN unfavorably to SHITLER makes him a Democrat UTUSN Jun 2020 #36
Michael Moore has said before that he is an independent. He hates Democrats Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #56
I don't side with fanatics, purists, zealots, inquisitors, and nannies - MOORE, or here on DU. UTUSN Jun 2020 #59
Moore - wrong again mcar Jun 2020 #38
It wasn't an epic fail. He's right. If it's not winnable by trump, it's most definitely stealable. pepperbear Jun 2020 #41
Moore is making a good point. Blue_true Jun 2020 #43
I don't need Michael Moore to tell me that StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #45
Look. I don't like Moore either. But I am willing to concede when he makes a Blue_true Jun 2020 #50
You need Michael Moore to tell you that we need to fight really hard to get Biden elected? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #54
No. But some DU members seem to. Blue_true Jun 2020 #58
He blamed Obama for the Flint Water Crisis . I don't think his intention is to help democrats JI7 Jun 2020 #64
What Trump is doing with his maskless rallies is Blue_true Jun 2020 #109
No, he helped Gore, Kerry and Clinton lose by attacking them. FUCk Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #57
Michael Moore never mentions the Russian attacks on the elections and other shit JI7 Jun 2020 #60
He is correct. James48 Jun 2020 #61
Has Michael Moore ever acknowledged Joe Biden Kicking Ass in the Primary ? JI7 Jun 2020 #62
Michael Moore is a worthless fucking douchebag GusBob Jun 2020 #63
I agree about not taking anything for granted. Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #68
me too Demovictory9 Jun 2020 #104
LOL Gothmog Jun 2020 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2020 #72
Funny, that's not what he was saying a month ago dansolo Jun 2020 #86
His heart is in the right place. anamnua Jun 2020 #91
Who is complacent? betsuni Jun 2020 #92
Nope...just another MM attack on Democrats...fuck Michael Moore. He comes on and I turn the channel. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #99
lol at the posts about how people don't like MM but he's not wrong... Drunken Irishman Jun 2020 #96
+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #101
Exactly. Michael Moore is FULL of SHITE. He's Wrong. 2Xexamples.. Cha Jun 2020 #112
If you tuned into his general output in recent months anamnua Jun 2020 #102
Ok. thanks. I had tuned him out. Demovictory9 Jun 2020 #103
But not so much that he would support Democrats. NNadir Jun 2020 #116
What I want to know is where he got that 100,000 number? Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #105
Hmmm... maybe that's why no one showed up, because... Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #108
I don't get some of the hate people have for the far left of our party Marrah_Goodman Jun 2020 #107
We don't. However, that doesn''t apply to Michael Moore. NNadir Jun 2020 #117
Michael Moore is a complete fraud. A grifter. NurseJackie Jun 2020 #110
This is a recent classic-of-the-genre MM clip anamnua Jun 2020 #118

still_one

(92,055 posts)
1. four years ago there were people like Michael Moore, David Sirota, Jill Stein, etc. doing everything
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:57 PM
Jun 2020

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they could to encourage people NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee

They won't be fooled by these charlatans this time


still_one

(92,055 posts)
51. A backhanded demoralizing support if anything, pushing the theme
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jun 2020

how we were going to lose to trump

We sure as hell didn't need that kind of support

 

DenverJared

(457 posts)
71. MM using ineffective ultra-progressives to his advantage
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:16 AM
Jun 2020

to keep the republicans in office with his crocodile divisive tactics as usual.

Great to see him eat crow.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,104 posts)
2. Michael isnt wrong, well he is if he is saying the traitor can WIN, he cant WIN, but he can STEAL
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 08:57 PM
Jun 2020

The election CAN be stolen even if 2/3rds of us vote for Joe.

THAT is what we have to be prepared for. Moore is probably wrong about his level of support.

I am NOT wrong that Putin and the GOP wont do things this time they have NEVER done before, we better be prepared.

Demovictory9

(32,411 posts)
4. MM isn't wrong about not taking this election for granted. It's just that Moore has an air of
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:00 PM
Jun 2020

almost WANTING the repubs to win. Like he's not really for the dems.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,104 posts)
5. I know, he is like that...it is that "I know better than you, I told you this, I told you that"
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jun 2020

And that is how we got so many supporters of a certain candidate who many say they dont care how bad it gets that ONLY he gets their votes.

MM does NOT give enough credit to Putin and cheating...

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
12. He makes his living complaining about Repukes he helps to power.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:29 PM
Jun 2020

There really isn't much mystery to this.

I didn't hear anything from him during the 8 years Obama was in power. He wasn't getting much attention then.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
21. No, he was too busy making films about the issues that we care about.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:56 PM
Jun 2020

Pretty much like he's done over his entire career.

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
73. Speak for yourself.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:31 AM
Jun 2020

I personally don't care about anything he says; since I considered him to be a fucking idiot when he endorsed the notion that George W. Bush was the same as Al Gore.

Maybe you didn't care so much about the Iraqi children blown to bits in Bush II's Oedipal war, and maybe you think that a smug jokey movie about kids blown away in Colorado was more important than the Iraqi children blown away by Bush II, but I cared a great deal. I was umamused by "Bowling for Columbine," particularly when made by a moron who could endorse the concept of equivalence of Bush and Gore.

Bush, it turns out, as any fucking idiot could easily see, was not "the same as Gore." Well, I guess there were some idiots who were of such low intellectual and moral apprehension as to not see the difference.

We obviously care about very different things, so again, please don't speak for me.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
93. Michael Moore's a type, a type the left has that the right doesn't:
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:27 AM
Jun 2020

Those who despise their own side so much they have almost nothing left for the other.

A political psychologist once flippantly summarized an important difference between right and left wing extremists by saying the right's hate everyone else, while the left's hate themselves.

You're absolutely right that Moore acts like he doesn't want Democrats to win, because he's at best conflicted and resentful and at worst doesn't. For years he's been sabotaging everything he claims to believe in by trying to undermine support for Democrats. The night before the 2018 midterms, he opened his pretend GOTV talk to young late night comedy viewers by "agreeing" they had nothing good to vote for. And no, President Obama did NOT tell Flint parents to give their children poisoned water.

And this! His warning that Democrats wouldn't camp out for five days in the heat in the middle of a killer pandemic to see Joe Biden, as if that were a bad thing about him.

It's about US, and hell no we wouldn't! Democrats and left indies marched in over 700 communities after George Floyd's murder for a purpose and ideals of equality, not for Our Leader. We also wouldn't still be screaming to kidnap and imprison Our Leader's opponent five years after we started, and four long years after it couldn't matter except to fulfill our blood lust and whet it for more.

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
113. In general, I don't like to make an argument that the only reason people do anything...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:21 PM
Jun 2020

...is for money. When confronted with such an argument when it's addressed at me - because of my views on energy - I note that anyone who assumes that is probably doing so because they lack a moral basis sufficient to recognize that some people are motivated to do things because they are the right things to do.

Of course, though one can take one's self assumed holiness too far, and sometimes we get corrupted by it.

There is nothing in Moore's background to suggest that he has either the education or experience to do anything but criticize other people for having failings that he defines from a position of being unassailable. In other words, he is a parasite on failure.

Perhaps at some point he held serious opinions and was seriously concerned about the world, albeit in a wholly inflated way.

However, he makes a lot of money off his holiness, doesn't he? I mean, would he have sold a lot of tickets that smug obscenely disrespectful humor directed at the death of schoolchildren (Bowling for Columbine) in a Gore Presidency?

Would he have made a dime off of Fahrenheit 9/11 if Al Gore rather than George W. Bush had been seated in the White House, an outcome which he actively worked to prevent? Would there have been a World Trade Center disaster on which he could hold forth?

He is an emotional and intellectual parasite of a low order, nothing more than a saboteur. I don't consider him a "leftist" at all, and his hatred of the left derives simply from his love of himself. I have zero respect for him. He's not serious; like Trump, he's nothing more than a pernicious clown.

He is unqualified to judge anyone because he has never built a worthwhile thing in his life and has no practical vision of how to make a better world.

At best, he's Rush Limbaugh of an ersatz "left," unprincipled and self absorbed.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
115. +1000. I suspect he wanted to be good, but like his type
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:35 PM
Jun 2020

just couldn't resist the need to poison the efforts of better people. And then, of course, he discovered what a lucrative little niche market there is for his poison, and presumably from then on there's been no struggle at all. Only profits and gratifying niche influence.

diva77

(7,627 posts)
6. Michael Moore is very progressive. He does not want repubs to win. He does not want people to take
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jun 2020

the election for granted.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
7. Exactly, and I don't blame him for being worried
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:12 PM
Jun 2020

Biden is favored but it is not overwhelming favoritism. Too many posters here are looking at poll margins and making poor assumptions and assertions. Incumbents have remarkable escapability.

I would be much more confident is this were a 1992 scenario of Republicans trying to win a fourth consecutive term. When it's only one term defending the benefit of a doubt tends to return.

Trump needs to keep talking.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
17. Seriously? You do understand that in 1992 Ross Perot saved us by splitting the vote. Clinton never
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:48 PM
Jun 2020

had a majority...and in the second race pat Buchanan ran. I thank God that Clinton won as it stopped the `12 years of GOP idiots. Joe Biden won the primary in greater numbers than even Pres. Obama and all doom and gloomers accomplish is discouraging voters. Joe Biden is doing very well and Michael Moore is a loser who is most often wrong...and we should listen to nothing he says as he hates Democrats and always has.

I don't forget how Michael beat up on both Gore and Kerry too...and of course he was horrible to Hillary Clinton. He should go away. We don't need to pay attention to a single word he utters. He attacked Green energy for cash...Moore is a grifter IMHO.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
23. Michael Moore was strongly behind Kerry
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:57 PM
Jun 2020

He begged Nader not to run. I remember the Bush years we were much more united back then.

MM lost me because he attacked green energy for cash but just trying to be fair.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
87. That's a GOP and a complete myth
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:42 AM
Jun 2020

All exit polls in 92 show that Perot drew equally from both Clinton and Bush. Without Perot, Clinton still would have won the election.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
89. It is not GOP but true...somethings just are. We were so far right in 92 after 12 years of GOP
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:54 AM
Jun 2020

regime...prominent Democrats didn't even run...Clinton saved us but he never had a majority. I believe although we shall never know that without Perot, we would have lost.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
94. No it is a false GOP talking point.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 09:11 AM
Jun 2020

Every analysis of that election says so:

Here’s the truth. Exit polls showed that Perot drew votes almost evenly from Clinton and Bush. In the states where Perot did the best—Texas and Florida—Bush still won and took all the Electoral College votes. The truth has hardly mattered to what has become known in political circles as the Perot Myth.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/george-hw-bush-lose-1992-reelection-ross-perot/


Research gathered, then published, in the book Change and Continuity in the 1992 elections shows Perot pulled an equal amount of votes from both political parties.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2019/07/09/ross-perot-often-credited-for-costing-bush--92-election


https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/the-ross-perot-myth/

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
98. We can trade links all you want and I can send you mine...but for what purpose....those who rewrite
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 09:27 AM
Jun 2020

history claim...that Perot had no affect...it simply isn't true.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
100. Send your links and we'll see if they are credible
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 09:54 AM
Jun 2020

But it is a myth and a GOP talking point that Perot threw the 92 election to Clinton.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
13. Uh huh.. MM is so "progressive" he said President Obama
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jun 2020

would only be remembered as being a Black President"

Michael Moore Slams Obama: HIstory Will Only Remember You Were a Black President ..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10025513223

We're Not taking Biden's Win for granted.. and I don't need Michael Moore pumping up trump rallies telling me that.

Moore.. ".. 100,000 are expected.. sleeping on Sidewalks!!.. "

Thekaspervote

(32,682 posts)
31. I'm with you ....can't stand MM
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:06 PM
Jun 2020

Have ya’ll forgotten how he did a limp wrist thing over Mayor Pete on national tv? Among other things!! What a creep

Cha

(296,679 posts)
37. Mahalo for pointing that out, Kasper.. I had forgotten that
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:22 PM
Jun 2020

little "progressive" episode of MM's.

jcgoldie

(11,604 posts)
27. Michael Moore is so progressive he just put out a movie on climate change...
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:01 PM
Jun 2020

... in which he completely trashes renewable energy. “Whats the point, its hopeless.” ...Seems to be Moores defeatist attitudes on a lot of topics these days.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
69. he could raise holy hell by telling UM and MSU to stop supporting limbaugh
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:18 AM
Jun 2020

he's done a lot of good stuff but like famous black athletes is missing the big opportunity

his state is dominated by republican (now putin) talk radio and UM (7)and MSU (11) broadcast sports on 18! limbaugh stations. those stations loved gov snyder. those stations all yelled "COVID is a hoax!" for 2 months, killing thousands. they also yelled white lives matter, blue lives matter, trayvon martin and mike brown were thugs, and colin kaepernick and kneeling athletes are traitors. they also yelled lead in drinking water is as over-hyped as COVID

the act of merely questioning that relationship by MM or black athletes would cause advertisers to head for the hills. most rw talk radio stations would have to do something else. at least 260 limbaugh stations depend on 87 universities like that.

MM or any major athlete could destroy the GOP's only unique tool. many of the republicon radio stations would not survive

BannonsLiver

(16,275 posts)
47. He's not for Democrats.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:49 PM
Jun 2020

He's made that clear for quite a while. He is a Democratic Socialist who was all in for Sanders over the last 2 cycles. He voted for the POS Ralph Nader in 2000 and encouraged others to do so as well.

And cynically, yes, another 4 years of Dump is good for Michael Moore, Inc. I'll let people make their own call on whether he actually wants Trump to win again.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
8. Moore's greater point: stay vigilant, assume nothing.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:18 PM
Jun 2020

He’s right, even if he was wrong about crowd size.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,104 posts)
9. I wish he would talk more about how there is NOTHING the GOP and Putin wont do.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:19 PM
Jun 2020

And paint them as the enemies of the human race they are.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
15. I despise Michael Moore and all he is doing is pumping Trump up. Fuck Michael Moore...I take no
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jun 2020

advice from the likes of him.

betsuni

(25,351 posts)
10. "If you are once again not taking my warnings seriously"
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:22 PM
Jun 2020

The guy who told us to start practicing saying "President Romney" because he was going to win. The guy who told us that Democrats are the greater roadblock to social progress than Trump is. The guy who didn't take Russian interference seriously.

Uh, no. Not taking you seriously, MM. Nobody would stand in line for five days to see Biden because WE ARE NOT MINDLESS CULT MEMBERS, DUH. Couldn't help put that dig in about Biden, could you?

Who the hell is he talking about? Everybody knows Republicans cheat. Nobody's "cocky."

Cha

(296,679 posts)
16. Exactly, betsuni.. I don't need Michael, "..Obama will only be remembered
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:43 PM
Jun 2020
as a Black president", Moore.. telling me anything.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13633318

there's one person who's "cocky" and that's MM.

Thank You!

betsuni

(25,351 posts)
30. It's ironic because the ones who were complacent and "cocky" last time and
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:03 PM
Jun 2020

refused to vote for the Democratic nominee or voted third party are his people.

He was still claiming the primary was rigged last year, still telling his audience the Democratic Party is corrupt. Not knowing how dangerous the Republicans are when it's right in your damn face and whining about Democrats instead is not only complacent but massively stupid. His fans are the ones least likely to take elections seriously. You made that bed, MM. You're the one who encouraged people to be cynical, that both parties are the same. Turning around and telling people to vote for the Democrat a few months before the election and finally taking about the real enemy, the Republicans, is too late.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
35. OMG.. That's so CORRECT! Thank you for Pointing
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jun 2020

that OUT!

It was right under our nose the whole time.. he Better be talking to the jill stein 3rd party Voters!. 66 Million Dems Voted for Hillary. Stein & Sarandon's LIES about Hillary have trump Blood on their hands.

Michael Moore is a ******* Gaslighter!

betsuni

(25,351 posts)
75. He promotes the myth of Democrats as snobby elites, that Democrats don't inspire
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:37 AM
Jun 2020

voters because of their policies, that the Democrats are just "I'm not Trump":

"Don't get all smug laughing at these Bubbas in Tulsa today ... . They live, eat and breathe Trump -- and none of us do that with Joe Biden. We're counting on hatred of Trump -- not love of Biden -- to win the day. Is that how you really think -- hate beats love? ... Because deep down we know there's no massive intense love of Joe Biden, no one is all dreamy and jazzy when they think about Joe Biden's jobs plan, Joe Biden's health care plan ... ."

He's trying to make it about one person, not the Democratic Party. Not going to work this time!

Cha

(296,679 posts)
77. No, MM.. "We" are Not "counting on hatred of trump" speak
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:10 AM
Jun 2020

for your damn self.

"Because deep down we know there's no massive intense love of Joe Biden, no one is all dreamy and jazzy when they think about Joe Biden's jobs plan, Joe Biden's health care plan .."

What a piece of shit..".. deep down.. " lol! Who does he think he is.. some psychiatrist/mind reader?

Read Joe Biden's Campaign Platform, MM.. instead of shooting off your big mouth.

Sorry.. he pisses me off.. and has since his gd tweedledum/tweedledee Nader days..

Joe Biden is Truth, Empathy, Healing & Sanity.. I can get pretty GD "dreamy" about that!

Mahalo for that, betsuni..

betsuni

(25,351 posts)
79. He shouldn't say "we" or "us."
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 03:51 AM
Jun 2020

Democrats know what the party stands for and who the base is, he does not.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
80. Exactly.. MM needs to
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 04:39 AM
Jun 2020

say "I".. he's the one who feels that way. He's trying to bend others to his will.

Not working for those who are dealing with the reality of the here and now.

We know who Joe Biden & the Democratic Party are.. and it's not MM's version.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
88. And, as I quoted him upthread.. he said.. . " President Obama
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:47 AM
Jun 2020

would only be remembered as being a Black President".. that right there shows how empty his head is & mean spirited for his own agenda.. whatever the hell that is..






JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
20. I don't recall him saying Russian inteference isn't real
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:53 PM
Jun 2020

He acknowledged their role briefly in the film but didn't deny it. Michael Moore attended a protest organized by Russia and this was widely reported so I'd be very surprised if he isn't aware of that.

Michael Moore lost me with that climate film liked by the right wing and climate deniers so I'm done personally with him.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
34. Because he once correctly predicted that one person in a two-person race would win
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:18 PM
Jun 2020

we're supposed to heed his every word from then on?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
114. Moore has predicted a Republican victory in every election since 2008
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:34 PM
Jun 2020

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
11. Taking winning easily for granted is the point,
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:22 PM
Jun 2020

the rest is him trying to scare people into not doing it.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
18. Confidence helps you win...not the samething as taking anything for granted which we don't. We have
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:50 PM
Jun 2020

very good chance to win... They didn't manage to stop us winning the House which you may remember was gerrymandered so we have to win with overwhelming numbers...some here wanted a different candidate. But you know, as I believed from the beginning. Biden is the perfect 2020 candidate. Trump hasn't and won't lay a glove on him.

Fla Dem

(23,546 posts)
19. Not a MM fan, I just don't like him, but he's not entirely wrong.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:52 PM
Jun 2020

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We all thought HRC was going to win. One of the worst night I can remember. Watching the numbers come in and the electoral counts increase for Trump. Thought I was living in a nightmare.

This election is different, I’ll give you that, for a lot of reasons. But I’m not conceding anything until there are 270 electoral votes in Biden’s column.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
46. Seems like you felt the way I did on election night 2016.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:49 PM
Jun 2020

It all was unreal. When I saw that Hillary had no chance, I turned the television off, still hoping that I would wake up to a miracle the next morning. I could not sleep, my throat was raw and getting rawer. That night forever changed my view of us an collective Americans, before that night I felt that we would collectively turn back the scourge of rightwing populism that was creeping across the world, I was wrong. I told a Hispanic employee before Trump was nominated that there was no way a person like him could win the presidency, I was wrong.

We can't take anything for granted and need to go after as many votes as we can. I would love to see Trump get buried, but I would be perfectly happy with a solid Biden win - we need to make that happen, the warning that Moore is giving should cause us to take note and work harder to defeat Trump and Trumpism.

BannonsLiver

(16,275 posts)
29. Bahaha
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:03 PM
Jun 2020

Oh boy. Thanks for that.

President MCCain, President Romney and unfortunately thanks to dead Enders like Mikey, George W Bush send their regards.

You up in here thinking he’s Nostradamus.



 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
33. Why do people act as if rallies are the end all and be all of campaigning?
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:14 PM
Jun 2020

Rallies are A thing, not THE thing in a campaign.

And the point of them is to "rally" the troops, not to be a cult service for the purpose of worshiping and feeding the ego of the candidate.

And willingness to stand in line for five days for a candidate's rally doesn't prove that candidate's political viability. It could just be proof that the candidate's supporters are nuts. Especially when they stood in line for five days for an event they could have just walked into 20 minutes before it started ...

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
44. And it's not just on the other side
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:42 PM
Jun 2020

At least one candidate on the Democratic side put a huge store in rallies and found that thousands of cheering rally-goers do not necessarily translate into actual votes. But they are lots of fun for the attendees - like a big concert - and good for the candidate's ego.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
52. I don't really want to argue this
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:57 PM
Jun 2020

The big rallies gave him a better chance than the 20 or so candidates. Sanders easily could have won but the media freaked out over Sanders win or like in New Hampshire the narrative was "the big story is Klobuchar came in 3rd". Nevada you had freakouts of epic proportion. After Biden won South Carolina he got millions in free advertising and glowing coverage. If 5 or so candidates stayed in and tried to win Sanders probably would have won until the party figured out a strategy to beat him. Remember before the consolidation Warren was willing to stay in though she had little chance to win to prevent Sanders from getting the required delegates.

Jake Tapper said he had reminders of 2004. Howard Dean had the most fundraising & biggest rallies but Kerry was seen as most likely to beat Bush. He was told by a Bush aide that they actually feared Dean more and Dean said "now you tell me."

All that said I think Biden will beat Trump and I will be happy once he's gone.

JI7

(89,233 posts)
67. Most of those rallies with large numbers attending was pretty much because of the Live Bands they
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:15 AM
Jun 2020

had .

UTUSN

(70,635 posts)
59. I don't side with fanatics, purists, zealots, inquisitors, and nannies - MOORE, or here on DU.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:35 PM
Jun 2020

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I don't even want to talk to them.






Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
43. Moore is making a good point.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:38 PM
Jun 2020

We need to constantly run this race like we are 6 points down, but can get within striking distance be Election Day. We need to assume that every single MAGAT that voted for Trump in 2016 will be voting for him again.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
45. I don't need Michael Moore to tell me that
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jun 2020

And I don't think the people working on Biden's campaign do, either. It's not exactly a secret nor is it rocket science. It's pretty much Campaign and Politics 101.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
50. Look. I don't like Moore either. But I am willing to concede when he makes a
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jun 2020

good point. We should not assume anything about Trump voters, other than we need to fight really hard to have Joe as President-elect on November 4.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
54. You need Michael Moore to tell you that we need to fight really hard to get Biden elected?
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:13 PM
Jun 2020

I was well aware of that long before Moore said it. I don't give him credit for stating the obvious.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
58. No. But some DU members seem to.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:21 PM
Jun 2020

I have and will continue to consider this election a war of attrition between us and Trump supporters. We have to run out and meet a raging horde with a clash on a battlefield, and we can show no backing down or mercy, because for us to lose to them would set off unimaginable horrors.

JI7

(89,233 posts)
64. He blamed Obama for the Flint Water Crisis . I don't think his intention is to help democrats
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:03 AM
Jun 2020

Notice he is obsessed with how much people love trump and trying to imply that people don't love Biden .

He doesn't bring up right wing cheating which will be the bigger problem for democrats in the election. Not the fucking dumbasses that love trump .

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
109. What Trump is doing with his maskless rallies is
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:22 PM
Jun 2020

seeing whether MAGATS are willing to take risks for him. If he sees that they are in large numbers, expect mail-in voting to be very restricted in a number of critical purple states. Trump is betting that MAGATS will show up in person at the polls, while many on our side won't even consider voting if they can't vote by mail.

JI7

(89,233 posts)
60. Michael Moore never mentions the Russian attacks on the elections and other shit
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:48 PM
Jun 2020

that Republicans pull.

his whole shit is that people LOVE trump unlike Democrats.

hew also seems to think Trump's trashy base are more important than others.

James48

(4,424 posts)
61. He is correct.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 11:55 PM
Jun 2020

He was correct four years ago, and he is equally correct today- do NOT take anything for granted.

THEY are going to turn out to the polls. The ONLY way Biden can win is if WE ensure more of our side turns out as well.

JI7

(89,233 posts)
62. Has Michael Moore ever acknowledged Joe Biden Kicking Ass in the Primary ?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:01 AM
Jun 2020

He may not have had huge crowds at rallies which feautured live bands but he did have people waiting in long lines to vote for him. People who waited hours because of republican scumbags making it difficult to vote .

Crunchy Frog

(26,574 posts)
68. I agree about not taking anything for granted.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:18 AM
Jun 2020

In spite of that message being encased in a mass of bullshit.

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
86. Funny, that's not what he was saying a month ago
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:16 AM
Jun 2020
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/499281-michael-moore-the-only-way-trump-wins-in-2020-is-if-he-cheats

Michael Moore is so full of shit. He seems to think that all our focus should be on the white working class, and that we have to appeal to them in order to defeat Trump.

betsuni

(25,351 posts)
92. Who is complacent?
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:22 AM
Jun 2020

Who does he think is "cocky"? In 2016 the complacent ones were those who didn't vote for the Democrat, voted third party or for Trump because they thought both parties were the same or the Democrat was worse, voting their "conscience" whatever that meant. What is he talking about?

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
99. Nope...just another MM attack on Democrats...fuck Michael Moore. He comes on and I turn the channel.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 09:29 AM
Jun 2020
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
96. lol at the posts about how people don't like MM but he's not wrong...
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 09:25 AM
Jun 2020

Did you read the full post or what?

It's typical Moore bullshit.

State doom & gloom. How he knows what he's talking about (ignoring the fact he said Romney would win in 2012 & McCain in 2008 - it's his mo) and then ends it with a typical swipe at a Democrat - stating there's noway anyone would line up for Biden.

But yes, guys, tell me hOw YoUrE nO mIcHaEl MoOrE fAn BuT hE's GoT a PoInT.

anamnua

(1,102 posts)
102. If you tuned into his general output in recent months
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:47 PM
Jun 2020

you would see he detests Trump with a passion -- even comparing the rise of Trumpism to the rise of Nazism in 30's Germany.

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
116. But not so much that he would support Democrats.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jun 2020

Stalin hated Hitler. That doesn't make Stalin a good guy.

Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
108. Hmmm... maybe that's why no one showed up, because...
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:08 PM
Jun 2020

-

they believed him and thought that if there were a hundred thousand people waiting, they'd have no chance to get in.

Ha, even I don't believe that crap!!!
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NNadir

(33,449 posts)
117. We don't. However, that doesn''t apply to Michael Moore.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:12 PM
Jun 2020

He is not a member of our party and has made it clear thousands of times that he despises our party.

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