Hey, You. Are you a Mittler 47%er?

[RobertEarl]

I think I might be. Along with children, old folks, some soldiers, other minimum wage earners, and last, but foremost: Stay at home Mothers of our future civilization.

Mittler is right: I will not vote for Mittler and now as the rest rest of the 47ers hear you tell us that as president and leader of the government, Mittler will not lift a finger to help any of us, you damn sure ain't gonna get elected.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

1. No, I'm not a 47%er

And for the sake of clarity, the 47% is for wage earners, not stay at home mothers of our future civilization.

[RobertEarl]

5. 47ers are those who vote for good government

There are threads here that tell you what Mitt said... Read 'em and weap.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

6. I did read the threads, thanks

Like it or not, he is correct - 47% of wage earners in this country pay no federal income tax. His comments regarding them feeling entitled notwithstanding, the number itself is correct.

[RobertEarl]

7. Why so defensive?

What he said was those who depend on government.... those that respect government.... will NOT vote for him.

They never did, and never will, and that is why he is Losing.
I like the truth. I love that truth. Don't you?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

9. Not defensive at all, just stating the facts n/t

[RobertEarl]

12. Here. The Quote. Fact. You're welcome.

"Mittler' says:

""There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.""

Where is your "wage earner" term in that quote? You now have the facts. You can go back and edit, eh?

Do stay at home Mothers pay federal income tax? Cuz that's who he's talking 'bout.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

14. You need to look up some facts

47% of tax filers do not pay income tax, and that's a fact. Stay at home moms, if married, certainly do pay income tax as part of filing under head of household. Another fact.

You don't have to like the facts, but they are what they are. So no, I won't be editing anything, but thanks ever so much for the suggestion.

[RobertEarl]

18. Did some looking

I saw you posting the same stuff in a few other threads, and since you are a stickler for facts, I know you loved getting set straight elsewhere in this linked post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1364120

ThoughtCriminal (9,188 posts)
12. Nope. Here's how they calculated it.

And it pains me to link to one their sites, but...

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/

They took the "Percentage of Americans Not Represented on a Tax Return"

Not percentage of adults. Not percentage of workers. Not percentage of Tax filers.

When they say that 151 million Americans paid no taxes, they are including children, the elderly, the disabled. The math doesn't work any other way.

What that is saying, just to be clear as a bell, is that 47% of ALL Americans did not pay income tax. And Mitt has just dissed all 151 million Americans. Even stay at home Moms.

[LiberalFighter]

13. But the premise of that argument is wrong.

Show me one person that has all of their income taxed. There aren't any.

The rich has more income that is not taxed than the poor has in total income. At a minimum, the rich have the same same exemptions that those 47% "poor". While most filers will take the standard deduction the rich will itemize their deductions so they have more of their income exempt from taxes. On average a household with $200k of income has $64k of itemized deductions. I have no sympathy for any rich person that complains about taxes being too high and thinking the lower income people should "pay" taxes. Again, they already have more itemized deductions than most of those 47% have in gross income.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

16. I don't disagree with anything you've said

Just pointing out that the 47% number is accurate, and that it applies to tax filers, not to the entire population.

[Warpy]

2. I had enough capital losses last year that I almost made his rate,

but even when I was slowly starving while I lived on my savings I was paying all the regressive taxes the wealthy like to deny exist since they don't account for much of a wealthy man's budget.

The appeal to the stingiest misers out there is not going to get all that far. After all, wages are too low to feed a lot of full time workers these days. His ideal of self sufficiency in the face of sub subsistence wages is just not going to sell.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

3. Few would argue that $49,000 is sub subsistence wage

No, it's not a lot of money for a family of five, it isn't sub subsistence either.

[Warpy]

17. If that family of 5 needs food stamps

the wage is below subsistence and the government admits it.

[FightingIrish]

4. Anyone who believe's that Mitt's contempt stops at 47%

doesn't appreciate the depths of his delusion. He has pretty much written off democracy.

[trof]

8. No, but I wish I was. In Alabama I pay no state income tax.

I'm 71 and Miz t. is 68.
We live off of a small pension (Thank you my union) and our S/S retirement benefits.
Thanks again to my union, I got a lump sum rollover into an IRA.
(It's kinda complicated.)

We take as little as possible out of the IRA each year to make ends meet.
I'll just say there's less than $300 grand in it and we, of course, have no idea how long it needs to last.

Alabama has a state income tax, Nut as backward as Alabama is in most things, they don't tax 'qualified' pensions (like mine) OR S/S.
I pay no AL state income tax.

[kestrel91316]

10. Yes. I haven't always been. But thanks to the Bush Recession, I am.

[haele]

11. No, I'm one of the 53%ers who support his lazy, corporate, tax-dodging ass.

My tax money paid for the playing field that he made his money off. My great-grandparent's, grandparent's and parent's tax payments paid for the ability for his labor-friendly father to rise through the government employee/consultant ranks from the mid-1920's on to be able to step across into the corporate world and become both head of a major auto company and Governor of Michigan, giving him, Mr. Mittens, if not direct wealth to "start his own business", but network for him to easily step into from "third base".

Mr. Mittens didn't emerge from nothing, from grandparents using the GI bill to leverage themselves into respectable middle class. Mr. Mittens emerged from an environment that had already gave him a significant hand-out by which to "create" success from. If he hadn't used his father's friends and influence to get higher level of education and jobs (private prep schools to get him into Harvard, "stock" so that he didn't have to take out student loans to live, ability to be the CFO of Marriott by the time he was in his late 30's - developing illegal tax-write-off schemes, allowed to create a subsidiary of a major investment house), chances are, he would have been a branch or maybe a division manager of BofA or a minor functionary in an investment firm that would be "struggling" to be making "middle class" wages of $250K a year - or some jack state house politician that used his religion to glad-hand his way into the state legislature.

And I know that if he had his way, I'd be one of the 47% - just like the people Bain justified laying off or terminating when they took over a company. All we are is numbers on a ledger-book, because we aren't members of his exclusive clubs, or have enough wealth to make it worth his while to notice us.

Haele

[LiberalFighter]

15. I am one of those 53% I guess.

I pay federal taxes and after receiving my refund my effective tax rate was 10.1%. I had income that was taxed at 0%, at 10%, and at 15%. I was unable to itemize my deductions as I didn't have enough beyond the standard. Part of that was probably because I had been paying extra on my mortgage so I could be free and clear. The negative is that I have less refund. The positive is that I don't pay a mortgage anymore and now save over $10k a year max.

But guess what? Even though I am not one of the 47% I am still voting for Obama. Cripes the rich has more income that is not taxed than my gross income. And I'm not complaining about paying my taxes. I will if Rmoney gets elected and my taxes go up so the rich can have even more income exempt from taxes.