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Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:30 AM

Told a trump supporter My neighbor

This is fuckery bounty on our men and women. As a vet they are my people I identify with them. They’re part of our military they give themselves and are part of something bigger than their individual selves duty honor country. Love for each of your rifle company plt brothers. And for once I’d wish trumpig would collude with America. And I told him you belong to the traitors that still support him. He still borrowed weed trimmer line and walked away.

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:37 AM

1. You're a finer person than me

I would never have given this idiot the trimmer line!

Good one: Collude with America!

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:38 AM

2. We have 2 longterm casual, trumper friends, who are holding the trumper line.

Don't think the economy or treason will do it for the religious, righteous husband.

[Treason culpability fears might do it for some leading evangelical leaders though - NRA monies, etc.]

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Response to empedocles (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:54 AM

5. We socialize with a married couple who love trump and 1 "independent"

They will never change.

Babies in cages
Russian collusion
Family of grifters.
Destruction of Democracy

There is no hope for them. Ever.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 12:21 PM

7. I'm sincerely interested in why do you still associate with them?

I’m in the shame and shun club at this point.

Edited to fix typo

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Response to MLAA (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 12:43 PM

8. Tho the two are very proud of trump they don't drive it down our throats

We are new to this community. The couple is in our Spanish Class. No politics allowed.

However these two have been totally nice to us. Including us in other social scenes.
Have been great in telling us where to find services we need like hair cuts and car repairs.

The husband can see my face turn red when trump comes up and tells the other No Politics. Or we can discuss this on the way home.

The independent is the kind hearted little tiny teacher of Hebrew. She’s just a bit of a woman. Never argues. Just likes trump.

My dad was a koolade drinker for rush and O’Reilly. Hated Obama. I loved him to death and he was a great dad to me.

I have had a lot of practice at blocking the crap. My last two employers huge Republicans. One was Evangelical in the worst way.

I liked the Evangelical very much. He did a lot for us before Evangelical became weaponized. I worked for him 20 years.

Edit to add: At this point I’m waiting four months to go SNAP.. You lose. Trump is going to jail now.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 09:30 PM

10. Thank you for taking the time to answer so thoughtfully

I, too have thought about this for the last 7 or so years. Thankfully I only had two republican friends. I inherited this couple when I married 32 years ago. The wife in particular was great fun to be with and a joy to be around. The husband I wasn’t crazy about, but as couples we had fun and they were always nice. We even bought a vacation home together. Many years went by, occasionally we talked about politics. My husband and I being life long Democrats. Over the years issues bothered me, choice and control over women’s own bodies, equal rights for LGBTQ, racism, healthcare for all, safety nets for the poor. Oddly enough both had siblings who are gay, but that didn’t sway them. She had a sister with a significant disability that desperately needed a safety net. Anyway, Trump was the very last straw. I haven’t seen them in the last 4 years. My husband still meets the husband for lunch occasionally. He says they are not /no longer Trump fans. I hold them accountable for all the damage to democracy and loss of human life. They are both smart enough to have seen the disaster the Republican Party has become over the last 10? 20? years. The Tea Party, the hypocrisy, the denial of basic science.

If I wouldn’t dream of socializing with Trump, I thought how can I socialize with the people who are actually responsible for him being elected.

In any case, thank you for answering my question.

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Response to MLAA (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 29, 2020, 08:45 PM

14. it is truly difficult

I know someone who voted for Trump. She in no way has the worst characteristics we see in those people. She can't be racist, she's too fair-minded, too compassionate, in the real hands-on sense, not just towards me, but other blacks we know as well. Yet... one day during a group lunch, the topic of Michael Brown came up, and you could swear she was a Fox Newser. Ugh. But... like the friend I mentioned below, she did some things for me when I was ill that no Trumpest would consider doing. So... consistent kindness overwhelms what we consider monstrous judgement, and I hope that continues, since I don't want to lose this woman's friendship. I have no idea how she feels about BLM, and I won't be asking!

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:43 AM

3. I teared up.....until the end, then I laughed.

I am grateful for patriots like you, and the millions of others, who have served out of love and honor.

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:45 AM

4. Of course he still borrowed the trimmer line, because they just care about themselves--they're dicks

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 11:14 AM

6. It's important that he needed something from you

He can’t dismiss you as a “loser” and “taker.” It will sink in that some Dems are “winners” and it would not be an embarrassment to go to the other side.

As childish as all of this is, fascists hate to hang with losers. We seek power to do good; they just like power and are deeply uncomfortable backing a just cause if it a losing one. If they smell the loser stench on Trump, this can peel some of his soft support away.

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 01:13 PM

9. on the verge of ending a 35 year friendship

She is a white Republican lover of Gone With the Wind. We became friends anyway (I'm black). For 35 years I have forgiven her blindness since she has done selfless things for me, most especially recently, a few years ago when I was in ICU and rehab for a serious illness - her sincerity was unquestionable. She has proven her friendship over and over again. Besides, not only did she NOT vote for the cretin currently in the WH, but she and her family voted for Obama, twice, on her own!



But now... we have a problem. Her verbal response - and her family's verbal response - to the murder of George Floyd and the protests shocked me to the core. To be fair, she may be having a terrible reaction to her son having a mid-life crisis; he fell in love with a very young black girl with obvious character failings - she is clearly using him, and gotten him involved with drugs and a dispute with her ex-boyfriend - and it has caused a rift between she and her son - and between her son and her daughter. So I am hesitant to flail accusations at her, she's already in a deeply emotional family crisis. We have not spoken since, except for a quick text from her ("are you ok?" - "Yes, hope you are too - thanks for checking in." ). So I am in the process of creating a loooooooog email with links to all of the things she obviously does NOT know about racism and the treatment of African Americans in our history - and our current tragedies - but just reading about allll of the lynchings and murders and massacres and beatings and brutality and Jim Crow laws and lies and deceit and... it's making me so angry that I don't even want to bother. But she doesn't know it yet.

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Response to Chili (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 28, 2020, 09:38 PM

11. My two cents

This is someone who walked, no ran away from a near 30 year friendship (read my post above).

If you truly want to give her a chance to hear all the info/links you’ve put together, I’d call her first and tell her how surprised and disappointed you are with her reaction and you’d like her to read some history that you will email her.

The reason I say this, is difficult topics /issues are almost always better handled via a live conversation than a long email where tone is easy to misinterpret. After nearly 30 years in management of a large company I saw too many email strings that didn’t solve what could be resolved on the phone 🙂

Best wishes whatever decide.

Edited to add: I hope I didn’t in any way minimize the issue of her unacceptable behavior, but you sounded torn about just walking away. In any case I am very sorry you have to go through this 💕💕💕

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Response to MLAA (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 29, 2020, 08:28 PM

12. thank you so much

Yes, I am torn. And my emails usually are very diplomatic. But as I kept adding links... the tone got worse. During all of our years of friendship, race has never been an issue - I don't remember us ever discussing it - we agreed long ago to stay away from politics completely, I get too passionate , so we stay away (until she voted for Obama). Only within the last year did we talk about the young woman her son is obsessed with, their relationship is barely a year old. So we've never even had a conversation about racism. Typing that, it seems pretty strange.

I don't know what to do, thinking it's best to just wait. She's probably realizing the same thing. But it's going to have to come up. This was too deep a movement, too monumental, too intense to be ignored.

But I do appreciate your concern!

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Response to Chili (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 29, 2020, 09:18 PM

16. Wait, 35 year friendship...

Is not something to just throw away.

Why not wait until after the 2020 election, and when we start to get information on what Trump has been doing, the exposure. That might be the time to gently start talking to each other. Sometimes people have a blindness without knowing.

Plus, I think that she will need a friend - due to her son’s relationship, it appears to be going south.

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Response to Dan (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 29, 2020, 09:55 PM

17. I probably will wait - unless she asks me

... which would surprise me. She doesn't necessarily need a friend - she's extremely close to her daughter (married with 3 boys, lives across the street, and her husband is as GREAT as hers - two very good men). When we have a President Biden in the oval, I will feel better! - and probably ready to talk! But I do hate saying this, it will sound overbearing... but she does need some serious ed about our nation's dark history of racism. The one positive thing she said during our convo: "I watched a series about slavery [a few years back] and Gone With the Wind glorifies slavery." Baby steps.

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2020, 08:43 PM

13. he better bring back that weed trimmer.. in the same condition he borrowed it!

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Mon Jun 29, 2020, 08:55 PM

15. I traded three new masks for a hank of trimmer line this morning

with a neighbor. It's a good walk to his place and I went early as it's been very hot here.
He and I talked for a bit outside his trailer and he got into the "race riots", etc. He soon followed
that up with saying "n****r" a time or two. I stopped him right there and told him that racism
was the most ignorant thing I knew. I thanked him for the line and walked home.

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:17 PM

18. Good for you!


So many Trump supporters want to ignore all the horrible things he's done (& doing) & pretend they didn't happen.

Well, the DID happen! And we need to point that out to them over & over. I don't feel like letting a single one of them off the hook for supporting such a racist anti-American idiot.

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