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Sat Jul 4, 2020, 03:39 PM

young people today are more knowledgeable than founding fathers

*young people today don't believe slavery of humans is a morally defensible institution

*young people today know more about how human activities have an enormous impact on our planet

*young people today know that slaughtering indigenous people in order to advance white colonialism is wrong

Don't hold our founding fathers on too lofty of a perch. What they did regarding promotion of Democratic self rule and rejection of monarchy was ground breaking--but it birthed a very imperfect nation.

we have a right and an obligation to see those times and those people from a more enlightened perspective.

it is important we recognize those people knew so much less than we do today. It is similar to digging up artifacts from early humans. we know they were less intelligent and extremely primitive. we make allowances for that, but we see them with the clarity of scientific objectivity.

we must listen to the voices chanting for accountability. demanding a reckoning. don't use tradition as a cudgel. examine our nation and the people who led it. focus on how you can better our lives and our institutions.

that is a sign off true patriotism.

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Reply young people today are more knowledgeable than founding fathers (Original post)
SiliconValley_Dem Jul 4 OP
BComplex Jul 4 #1
dchill Jul 4 #2
stopdiggin Jul 4 #3
tanyev Jul 4 #4
SiliconValley_Dem Jul 4 #5
MyOwnPeace Jul 4 #6
PTWB Jul 4 #8
MyOwnPeace Jul 4 #9
PTWB Jul 4 #10
SiliconValley_Dem Jul 4 #15
PTWB Jul 4 #19
Laelth Jul 4 #7
Sneederbunk Jul 4 #11
SiliconValley_Dem Jul 4 #16
DavidDvorkin Jul 4 #12
Progressive Jones Jul 4 #13
brush Jul 4 #14
Nitram Jul 4 #17
StarfishSaver Jul 4 #20
quickesst Jul 4 #18
Stuart G Jul 4 #21
SiliconValley_Dem Jul 4 #22
Stuart G Jul 4 #25
HotTeaBag Jul 4 #23
SiliconValley_Dem Jul 4 #24
Stuart G Jul 4 #26
pecosbob Jul 4 #27

Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 03:45 PM

1. Totally agree.

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:00 PM

2. Well stated.

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:06 PM

3. +1. well said. (nt)

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:18 PM

4. Watching Hamilton yesterday I thought about how young many of them were.

We always see portraits of them as older men, but Lafayette, Burr, and Hamilton were 18, 20, and 22 in 1776. They birthed a great idea of a nation, but I agree with your comment, “we have a right and an obligation to see those times and those people from a more enlightened perspective”.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:22 PM

5. yes, very good point!

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:32 PM

6. Yep, things ARE different........

For example:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Let's not even begin to discuss/argue the "well regulated" part - but think about this: our dear "founding Fathers" had never heard of an AR-15, as well as an individual or groups having an "arsenal" stashed in the basement or available "on-line!"

They had muskets - fire and reload. No "quick-shooters" - no "laser-guided" weapons - just muskets and single-fire pistols!

Yes, the times have changed.

We need leaders in our government that recognize that and are willing to make the changes necessary to truly "Make America Great Again!"

THOSE PEOPLE WOULD TRULY BE PATRIOTS!

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:43 PM

8. I find that line of argument flawed.

While true the founding fathers never envisioned an AR-15 when they wrote the 2nd, it is also true they never envisioned the Internet when they wrote the 1st.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:47 PM

9. OK, so you've only supported my contention.....

Things change - we need leadership and legislation that works for the world as it is today.

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:58 PM

10. We do.

We also need to work within the parameters of the constitution or change them. We cannot pretend they do not exist.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:00 PM

15. Supreme court has gotten a number of interpretations of Constitution wrong

the cases deeming a bunch of jackass hilbillies toting AR-15s as a "well regulated militia" are bullshit

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:23 PM

19. Perhaps it will be reinterpreted at some point.

Until then it is the law of the land. There is much debate over the phrasing of the 2nd amendment.

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:32 PM

7. Hear! Hear!

We’re nowhere near perfect. We do not live up to all of our ideals, but we are WAY better now than we were in the 1950s and VASTLY better than we were in 1776.

-Laelth

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:58 PM

11. Now, if only they had their common sense.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:02 PM

16. many of them do. go speak withsome of todays 20 and 30 somethings

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 05:19 PM

12. I assume, though, that a higher percentage of the FFs voted

Perhaps this is the year that will change.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 05:24 PM

13. The low voter turnout in this nation is ridiculous. nt

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 05:48 PM

14. The founding documents are historic and beautiful. However...

one fifth of populace was in bondage and they knew enslavement was evil.

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Thomas Jefferson wrote that “all men are created equal,” and yet enslaved more than 600 people over the course of his life. ... Thomas Jefferson called slavery a “moral depravity” and a “hideous blot,”


What to do, what to think today, how do we evaluate them except to say they were imperfect men who could visualize a more perfect union. Sorry, but of the slaveholders among them, their hypocrisy was/is self evident.

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:08 PM

17. This would seem to be a list of values rather than knowledge.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:26 PM

20. Exactly

They have different values and more information, but neither is the same as having knowledge.

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:15 PM

18. civilization and education....

.... In 1776 compared to civilization and education in 2020.

"young people today are more knowledgeable than founding fathers" 🤔

One would certainly hope so.

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:35 PM

21. Knowlegeable about ..."What" ?

The founding fathers of the U.S. were some of the brightest men alive in their day. One must ask, "knowledgeable"
about...."What"?....

If Washington & Jefferson were alive today, they would be our leaders now. To compare knowledge today with knowledge in 1750 is absurd...

It isn't the ..."knowledge" it is the ..... ability to...." learn knowledge."

Washington and Jefferson were brilliant, and would be brilliant today, if they were alive today..
... Who knows what they would accomplish today? No one knows...

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #21)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:44 PM

22. they were parochial by today's standards

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:57 PM

25. Please explain, "parochial by today's standards"...In what way & how were they?

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:45 PM

23. I guess - young people have the benefit of 300 years (and more !!!) of history

to look back on - and Wikipedia.

More courageous? Nah.

More willing to risk their lives to do what they believe in? Hardly.

Able to birth a fucking country? Um, no.

This is easily the most ridiculous OP amongst the newly minted 'anti-Founding Fathers sentiment' posts.

Utter nonsense.



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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:48 PM

24. the point is---it is fine to engage in a fresh view of history and heroes with the advantage

of time and new information. nothing about their courage or intellect will change the fact that they owned After ican Americans as slaves until the day they died.

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Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:01 PM

26. I agree with you.HotTeaBag....for 3 sentences...Here they are...1. More Courages?...Nah


2.... More willing to risk their lives to do what they believe in? Hardly.

3.......Able to birth a fucking country? Um, no.

Yes, and I also agree this is ..."utter nonsense"

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Response to SiliconValley_Dem (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:57 PM

27. Wonderful World

I hear babies cry
I watch them grow
They'll learn much more
Than I'll ever know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

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