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Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:09 PM

Who are the 47%? ~ 70% pay income taxes - 17% are seniors.

A breakdown of tax payers who pay federal income taxes, vs. those who do not:




A breakdown of the 47% who pay no federal income tax:

* 70% pay payroll taxes

* 17% are seniors, who have no income and paid taxes prior to retirement

* 13 percent are students, jobless, disabled and/or make too little income.



Note that about 22% households, who paid no income tax in 2009, earned over 50K per year. 6%, made over 100K.




Additional information:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/18/the-data-behind-romneys-47-comments/

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001547-Why-No-Income-Tax.pdf

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Reply Who are the 47%? ~ 70% pay income taxes - 17% are seniors. (Original post)
mzmolly Sep 2012 OP
SoapBox Sep 2012 #1
mzmolly Sep 2012 #2
Emit Sep 2012 #3
RebelOne Sep 2012 #4
mzmolly Sep 2012 #5
slampoet Sep 2012 #6
mzmolly Sep 2012 #7
mzmolly Sep 2012 #8
trof Sep 2012 #9
mzmolly Sep 2012 #10
zellie Sep 2012 #11
underpants Sep 2012 #12

Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:14 PM

1. Thank you!

Exactly what I've been wanting to see.

It makes me NUTSO, when people like Mittens and the Repukes, toss out the broad and sweeping "they paid NO taxes"...Hell, even when I wasn't working (or hardly working), I was paying "taxes" all over the place...payroll taxes, sales taxes, taxes on all my gas, water, electric, phone taxes, gasoline taxes, vehicle licensing taxes, property taxes...

So Mittens...don't try to push this bull that we get/got off completely "tax" free.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:28 PM

2. You're very

welcome.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:32 PM

3. And this also includes several thousand of the highest-income households in the country!

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:33 PM

4. I am one of the 17%.

I paid most of my life. I worked over 50 years and paid into the government coffers. I am finally free from paying. It is about time they paid me.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:34 PM

5. Damn

right!

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:43 PM

6. Where are the class that live off of Dividends in all this.

The people who only pay capital gains?

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Response to slampoet (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:49 PM

7. Among the "other" 1%

and/or among the 6.9% whose earned "income" is less than 20K?

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:36 PM

8. Adding excellent analysis from factcheck.org

http://factcheck.org/2012/09/dependency-and-romneys-47-percenters/

SNIP -

Let’s take a closer look at the 46.4 percenters.

According to the Tax Policy Center, about half of those who owe no federal income tax are people whose incomes are so low that when standard income tax provisions — personal exemptions for taxpayers and dependents and the standard deduction — are factored in, that simply leaves no income to be taxed. Those are people who earned less than about $27,000.

But that doesn’t mean those folks paid no taxes at all. Many of them paid payroll taxes, those taxes taken out of a paycheck by an employer to fund programs such as Social Security and Medicare. They also pay federal excise taxes, such as those on gasoline, and they may also pay state and local income taxes or property taxes.

So that’s half of Romney’s 46.4 percenters. The rest pay no federal income tax due to tax benefits and credits. Here’s the rest of the breakdown:

22 percent receive senior tax benefits — the extra standard deduction for seniors, the exclusion of a portion of Social Security benefits, and the credit for seniors. Most of them are older people on Social Security whose adjusted gross income is less than $25,000.

15.2 percent receive tax credits for children and the working poor. That includes the child tax credit and the earned income tax credit. The child tax credit was enacted under Democratic President Bill Clinton, but it doubled under Republican President George W. Bush. The earned income tax credit was enacted under Republican President Gerald Ford, and was expanded under presidents of both parties. Republican President Ronald Reagan once praised it as “one of the best antipoverty programs this country’s ever seen.” As a result of various tax expenditures, about two thirds of households with children making between $40,000 and $50,000 owed no federal income taxes.

The rest ended up owing no federal income tax due to various tax expenditures such as education credits, itemized deductions or reduced rates on capital gains and dividends. Most of this group are in the middle to upper income brackets. In fact, the TPC estimates there are about 7,000 families and individuals who earn $1 million a year or more and still pay no federal income tax.

So when Romney says all of those in the 46 percent are “dependent on government,” that’s not accurate. Of the estimated 76 million who paid no federal income tax in 2011, 61 percent earned anywhere between $10,000 and $50,000.


...

Are the 46.4 Percenters All Democrats?

Romney also said the 46.4 percent who pay no federal income tax “will vote for the president no matter what,” and, therefore, President Obama starts off with an automatic 48 percent or 49 percent of the vote. But that doesn’t jibe with polling data.

It’s safe to say that most of the 46.4 percent referred to by Romney are in the lower income brackets. According to the most recent Gallup polls of registered voters, 37 percent of those making less than $36,000 a year indicate they plan to vote for Romney. Moreover, as we noted earlier, a sizable chunk of 46.4 percenters are retirees, and among those 65 and older, Romney leads Obama by nine points, 52 percent to 43 percent. According to a Rasmussen Reports poll of likely voters between Sept. 10 and 16, 40 percent of those making less than $20,000 said they plan to vote for Romney; 50 percent of those making between $20,000 and $40,000 said they supported Romney. The Pew Research Center similarly found in its latest poll that 32 percent of those making less than $30,000 and 42 percent of those making between $30,000 and $50,000 support Romney — as do a plurality of seniors.

A map put out by the Tax Foundation of the 10 states with the highest and lowest percentage of filers with no federal tax liability shows that the states with the highest percentage of non-filers are, by-and-large, states that typically vote Republican...


More at the link above.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:48 PM

9. I pay income tax (not a whole lot), but I'm a moocher.

I'm retired receiving S/S retirement payments.
And MediCare.
I PAID into these programs for decades.
Am I getting more out than I paid in?
I don't know.
And that's not the point.

Some pay in for decades and die early.
They get a $200 death benefit (or what ever it is...not very much) and that's it.
So the plan gets a plus from those.
They paid in, but they don't get paid out.

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Response to trof (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:33 PM

10. Romney's statement was pathetic

and inaccurate. How dare he suggest that everyone who doesn't have an income tax burden is waiting for government hand outs. What a POS that man is.

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:12 PM

11. k & R

 

nt

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Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:34 PM

12. I was just about to post these -- rec'd

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