The rich are destroying the world

[I_UndergroundPanther]

They need to lose thier money thier precious addiction to wealth ruins everything.
Time to claw it back.


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/09/how-rich-are-destroying-earth-smashes-capitalism/

[DanieRains]

1. Sounds Like What I've Been Saying All Along

1% has half the wealth and 95% of the power.

[Mopar151]

2. Time to roast some Oligarchs

And sweat about 10% of net worth "For the cause".

[captain queeg]

3. They also consume a disproportionate amount of resources.

They have huge house and often multiple ones. I used to ski in sun valley. There were so many fancy houses around there that are only occupied a few weeks a year.

[Silver1]

4. Yes, they are.

They will never get enough. It's gotten so bad all life on earth is under threat. It's time to reign this in.

[42bambi]

5. My parents always told me that greed is the root of all evil. It's a root that is now

digging in deeper and deeper. If we don't lose our utmost love of money and "things" we may lose our democracy as we know it.

[2naSalit]

9. Shit, we're gonna lose the planet!

I agree with everything you said, even about democracy because that is also true.

[BigmanPigman]

6. Whatever happened to storming the bastille?

July 14th needs to happen around the world and ASAP!

[2naSalit]

10. That's a good idea for a day of action.

[Kaleva]

7. It's impossible for humans to destroy the planet

The planet doesn't give a shit about humans or any other living thing on Earth. Earth itself has a finite lifespan.

[2naSalit]

11. Well, poeple need terms that are catchy...

it's actually the conditions of the biosphere which support human life that we're concerned about. Some of us also recognize that without the other species within the biosphere, we can't survive either.

[Kaleva]

12. Humans have to modify conditions within the biosphere in order to ensure our long term survival,

and the survival of our civilization. Interestingly, all living things on Earth today will depend on human intervention in order to survive because otherwise, nature will make them go extinct at some point.

[2naSalit]

8. Yes, they most certainly are.

And we have to do something about it without delay. I have had some ideas about what to do but there's so much to do it can seem overwhelming. We need to dominate the electoral college and win all Senate seats in play.

The survival of all life on earth depends on what happens in November.

That is where it's at. If we can't take the money back, how about if we just make their money worthless? We don't have enough of it to matter anyway. What if we had something nonphysical as currency like actions and deeds done in a barter system? A lot more could be accomplished.

They have to be neutralized.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

13. The gift economy comes to mind

And free stores.

[2naSalit]

14. THere are ways to do this but

I won't even claim to have half an answer to the problem but somehow the end result must be that their power/money is stripped from them all at once.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

16. Yes

And I suspect it will
need to be forced. It might require thier deaths, and maybe that of thier family line. I know they won't cooperate willingly.

They are like addicts,but what they are addicted to will not kill them or even push them twords a "bottom". I think most of them are dark triad narcissists and see nothing wrong with their behavior or no reason to change that behavior.

You cannot trust them at all.

[Mosby]

18. The two biggest polluters by far are china and india

Just saying.

[Celerity]

20. no, only China is bigger than the US, and it has far more people (4.36 times as many)

Not only is the US worse than India overall, it is more than twice as worse with 4.21 times LESS people

TOP 5 MOST POLLUTING COUNTRIES

https://www.activesustainability.com/environment/top-5-most-polluting-countries/





https://eacnur.org/blog/cuales-los-paises-mas-contaminantes-tc_alt45664n_o_pstn_o_pst/

[Mosby]

21. If you go by per capita gdp, the us probably isnt even in the top ten

That's a legitimate way to look at co2 production as a function of economic output.

Further, the links you used are only talking about co2. India produces more particulates than anyone else due to their annual crop leftover burnings.

Carbon monoxide isnt even being tracked afaik.

Sulfites aren't being tracked.

So the title of the link you posted is basically propaganda, since co2 is not even remotely the only form of pollution, because they purposely left out particulates, methane, carbon monoxide and sulfites.

[Celerity]

22. so ironic you call my links (including a UN one) propaganda when you are trying to greenwash away

American culpability.

[Mosby]

23. Look at the chart

Who is heading in the wrong direction?




And how do you suppose we can encourage China to stop polluting so much? They produce almost 10 times the co2 that we do except our per capita gdp is 63 grand and there's is 9700 dollars.

World worse air quality by country:

What country has the worst air quality?
# COUNTRY POPULATION 2019 AVG. US AQI
1 Bangladesh 166'368'149 165
2 Pakistan 200'813'818 156
3 Mongolia 3'121'772 154
4 Afghanistan 36'373'176 153
5 India 1'354'051'854 152
6 Indonesia 266'794'980 141
7 Bahrain 1'566'993 129
8 Nepal 29'624'035 123
9 Uzbekistan 32'364'996 115
10 Iraq


https://www.iqair.com/world-air-quality


Don't see the us in the top ten.

In fact, the US is the 87th most polluted country.

87th.

https://www.iqair.com/world-most-polluted-countries

[Celerity]

24. China does NOT produce 10 times the CO2 the US does. Also,

you are using a completely non germane metric to try and obfuscate. Per capita GDP is not a measurement of the actual pollution output. Finally, you are also now disengenously switching areas of measurement. I never said anything about polluted (internally) nations. I said polluting, ie pollution that falls into external impact. You posted a measurement of internally polluted nations, which, again, is not germane to my links.

You seem to have a real agenda to deflect most, if not all, blame from the US in terms of global impact, and go so far as to use logical fallacies and pettifogging to do so.

Done here. I refuse to take part anymore in this colloquy as it is devoid of good faith from your end.

[Mosby]

26. You tried to tie emissions to population and that's less relevent

Than my "bang for the buck" metric.

The post that I responded to that you decided to insinuate yourself into stated:

The survival of all life on earth depends on what happens in November.

Which I think is a pretty asinine thing to say, but the notion that the US is somehow singularly responsible for most of the world problems is a common view these days. It's wrong.

Climate change is happening, regardless whether the US ever reaches zero emissions, and we can thank China et al for that.

[DSandra]

15. There's a reason why the bible warned against greed and why it was one of the seven deadly sins

Putting greed into overdrive was one of the stupidest things to have been done in human history.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

17. Capitalism

Has always justified greed.
Capitalism and neo liberalism needs to be tossed in the dustbin of history along with ogliarchy. And the damage wrought by it must be never ever forgotten into to the future.

[2naSalit]

19. Every time. ...nt

[Dirty Socialist]

25. Defund the Rich!