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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy guess is the orders to arrest and detain people in Portland came directly from Trump.
...As Commander in Chief he can order troops to do illegal acts. He is their commander, they do what they are told. This is far worse than any other act he has done. You must be read your rights, and informed of what is going on.
.... Detaining people like that is against the law. Trump ordered troops to do that, without IDs, (that was his order too) and no telling of their rights as ordered by supreme court. (ordered by Trump)
...Far worse than anything he has ever done. Trump doesn't care, but we care.
Nevilledog
(50,687 posts)leftieNanner
(14,998 posts)Barr tested out the concept in DC and then decided to get the guys new camo uniforms and push the envelope in Portland.
It's surely a trial run for a bigger operation.
Stuart G
(38,365 posts)You cannot arrest people without reading rights. By orders of supreme court.
Nevilledog
(50,687 posts)He'll say it was all DHS....he knew nothing about it.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)The buck seems to always stop in his pocket.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)The only part of "presidenting" he likes is ordering law-enforcement and military around.
Stuart G
(38,365 posts)...Trump will defend this, as he defends everything, but this is indefensible. If the orders came from Trump,
it is against the law.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)So hes totally at Drumpfs beck and call.
magicarpet
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Notice too all these trDumpie goons looks and/or act like Tom Cotton ?
ACTING Secretary of Homeland Security Wolf.
ACTING US Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Mark Morgan.
ACTING Department of Homeland Security Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli.
Nazis and Fascist goons for trDump one and all.
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SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)indeed responsible for that illegal act, thus, they can't hide by the disclaimer that they were 'ordered' by higher ups to act as such (illegally). Being illegally detained w/o cause, w/o reading of their rights, w/o access to their attorneys, etc., all run counter to what the Supreme Court has ruled in the past. This will come back and bite these people on the a&&, as it should.
Stuart G
(38,365 posts)determine the penalty and who gets that penalty. Trump gave the orders, but no one knows if or when
& how he will be punished for giving illegal orders.
SWBTATTReg
(21,859 posts)And I'm not really knocking it, it benefits all sides, but all of those who participated in these illegal acts should be charged like they were in Nixon's administration (John Mitchell I think, others), and Nixon was forced to resign before he would be ushered out of office. I'm surprised that the governor of WA is not acting more aggressively on this issue, after all, it's her citizens being illegally detained without apparent cause.
Stuart G
(38,365 posts)If Trump pays for this, is a question we do not know. But this was totally illegal. All legal experts know it, and we will hear about this forever.
love_katz
(2,562 posts)The scum bag for DHS said that not only are they not going to stop what they are doing in Portland, Oregon, but they are going to expand their operations to other cities as well.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)lame54
(35,142 posts)alittlelark
(18,886 posts)Miller is a TRULY EVIL 'person'. He is also smart and channels Goebbels.
magicarpet
(13,945 posts)ACTING Secretary of Homeland Security Wolf.
ACTING US Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Mark Morgan.
ACTING Department of Homeland Security Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli.
Nazis and Fascist goons for trDump one and all.