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Cyrano

(15,023 posts)
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:06 AM Jul 2020

Here's why Trump will win Florida

The Florida Constitution allows ex felons to vote. There are about a million of them, and you can be certain that all who are registered would vote for Biden. The Florida Republican legislature and the lower federal courts (controlled by Republican justices) said "Fuck That." The SCOTUS refused to hear the case, --another "Fuck That," -- which means the lower court "Fuck That" ruling stands.

On the day before John Lewis died, the Supreme Court made clear that the life’s work of the Democratic congressman from Georgia remained unfinished.

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That cruel fact was brought home Thursday, when the (SCOTUS) justices rebuffed an effort to restore voting rights to nearly a million felons in Florida who have served their sentences and, under an amendment to the state constitution adopted in 2018, should have had their franchise restored. But the Florida legislature, backed up by the state Supreme Court, interpreted the amendment — which conditioned the restoration of voting rights “upon completion of all terms of sentence, including parole or probation” — to include payments of fines, fees and restitution.

A federal-district court barred Florida from enforcing the law while it was being challenged, allowing felons who had served their sentences to register to vote in November. The judge said the state’s “pay-to-vote system” requiring people to pay fines they could not afford amounted to an unconstitutional poll tax. But the full 11th Circuit — where seven of the 12 active judges are Republican nominees, including six Trump-appointed judges, stepped in to lift that order, no explanation given. On Thursday, the Supreme Court refused to get involved.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/on-the-eve-of-john-lewiss-death-a-cruel-supreme-court-blow-to-his-legacy/2020/07/19/549a68d8-c9c4-11ea-b0e3-d55bda07d66a_story.html



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Here's why Trump will win Florida (Original Post) Cyrano Jul 2020 OP
I fear you are right. Biden is correct to be wary SiliconValley_Dem Jul 2020 #1
My problem with this is that with a few quick searches I haven't found how many felons ... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #2
Lol to "not hope for criminal voting blocs." Hortensis Jul 2020 #64
You think Biden should therefore concede Florida? tman Jul 2020 #3
Please don't put words in my mouth. Cyrano Jul 2020 #5
The words are right there in your title. tman Jul 2020 #6
More doom and gloom...Obama won Florida...Some- not saying you -want Trump out Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #8
YOU posted them. SlogginThroughIt Jul 2020 #19
You really should delete this OP. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #26
your header did obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #52
"You think Biden should therefore concede Florida?" - a classic straw man argument! Towlie Jul 2020 #11
"TRUMP WILL WIN" tman Jul 2020 #13
I don't think you know what a straw man argument is because you just did it again! Towlie Jul 2020 #29
And by it's very definition, you are doing that which you accuse me of, yourself. lol tman Jul 2020 #67
DELETE THIS THREAD. IT STINKS trueblue2007 Jul 2020 #44
My bad on that OP headline Cyrano Jul 2020 #24
Can you change the headline to reflect that? Caliman73 Jul 2020 #32
Wish I could change it, but we're too deep in the thread now Cyrano Jul 2020 #34
We won this state in 08 and 12. It was close in 16 and Hillary was very unpopular. GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #4
There are lots of pollsters that agree Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #9
Not to mention, the large elderly population may consider the Trump administration covid karynnj Jul 2020 #10
I agree Gulf. You and I live on the ground here. Blue_true Jul 2020 #22
I live here, and agree obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #55
So the vote of ex-felons is Biden's only hope to win?? honest.abe Jul 2020 #7
It truly is. I live here, that claim couldn't be farther from the mark. nt Blue_true Jul 2020 #23
Do you have any stats or polling to back that up? honest.abe Jul 2020 #27
Just personal observation. The love for Trump among the White voters that helped him win Blue_true Jul 2020 #30
Im sorry I think I misinterpreted your previous message. honest.abe Jul 2020 #31
I found some stats that suggest its not a huge impact. honest.abe Jul 2020 #28
i do, too -- same obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #56
I'm going to stay positive... there's plenty of why he won't win this state or that..just sayin' Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #12
Obama took Florida; B Clinton took it once; Gore lost just barely, etc.; without x-prison vote. Hoyt Jul 2020 #14
Obama won Florida (twice) without the ex-felon voters... brooklynite Jul 2020 #15
And Bill Clinton won it once without the same. nt Blue_true Jul 2020 #25
And Hillary was close -- she wasn't routed obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #54
So they owe money? Crowd funding to pay the "poll tax".. Get some wealthy sports figures mitch96 Jul 2020 #16
It's not that easy mcar Jul 2020 #18
"can't even tell the returning citizens what they owe. " mitch96 Jul 2020 #35
Yep mcar Jul 2020 #41
I seriously doubt that Trump will win Florida. Blue_true Jul 2020 #17
Florida Democrats gain vote-by-mail advantage mcar Jul 2020 #20
Covid19 is the key to Florida IMO. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2020 #21
This is the correct answer... older people are absolutely terrified/terrorized by what's going on... JCMach1 Jul 2020 #47
2018 showed us it doesn't matter who actually wins edhopper Jul 2020 #33
Democrats fixed it for DeSantis and Scott Awsi Dooger Jul 2020 #39
So how did Bill Nelson lose? RhodeIslandOne Jul 2020 #46
Boom! I'm glad to see someone else who agrees with me about Graham obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #58
Winner, winner chicken dinner GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #65
Trump only won Florida last time by about 100,000 votes Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2020 #36
And, the FBI and DeathSsantis said two counties here were hacked by Russia obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #60
Paging Bloomberg! Oh, Mr Bloomberg! herding cats Jul 2020 #37
The ex-felon vote was going to be split anyway Awsi Dooger Jul 2020 #38
Right, not sure how people assume excons Cosmocat Jul 2020 #40
Were you living here when an African American named Obama won the state twice? GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #42
I have not been seeing Republican canvassers this year Awsi Dooger Jul 2020 #43
Trump will steal Florida RhodeIslandOne Jul 2020 #45
With a pandemic raging in Florida - notinkansas Jul 2020 #48
Why do you think they would all vote D? Renew Deal Jul 2020 #49
Spectacularly lacking in context, data, or logic grantcart Jul 2020 #50
Same -- I've already taken the day after off obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #61
I live here -- Biden will win obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #51
They will pull out every stop...they believe their bullshit and the Russians are helping. nt Baltimike Jul 2020 #53
K&R, Roberts court has *CONSISTENTLY* leaned against expanding voting rights uponit7771 Jul 2020 #57
Self delete. nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #59
There was extensive analysis done of this law before it passed NewJeffCT Jul 2020 #62
Regarding "... SCOTUS refused to hear the case ..." sl8 Jul 2020 #63
The Florida legislature is full of right wing nutcases. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2020 #66

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. My problem with this is that with a few quick searches I haven't found how many felons ...
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:22 AM
Jul 2020

actually do vote in states where they can. And how many of those felons are Cubans, who tend to lean Republican?

Once again, there are no easy answers, and we gots to keep up that door knocking and not hope for things like criminal voting blocks.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
64. Lol to "not hope for criminal voting blocs."
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:24 AM
Jul 2020

Agree with the sentiment. Though every citizen in prison is a citizen, and I believe it's in society's interest to protect the right to vote of at least almost all. And I'm 100% against the typical Republican electoral crime of disenfranchisement-via-fines.

But this isn't exactly a Biden voting bloc who can't afford to pay their fines. Don't have figures for this particular population either, but in general most felons are conservative by both nature and nurture, especially in southern states, and tended not to vote before prison. Of course.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
8. More doom and gloom...Obama won Florida...Some- not saying you -want Trump out
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:30 AM
Jul 2020

and they want the Senate...but don't want a Biden landslide or maybe simply can't believe that Biden can accomplish this as they supported other candidates.

Towlie

(5,308 posts)
11. "You think Biden should therefore concede Florida?" - a classic straw man argument!
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jul 2020

Shame on you!

tman

(983 posts)
13. "TRUMP WILL WIN"
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jul 2020

Please explain how this is anything BUT a concession of defeat. Then please explain the logic of pursuing a feat that you have deemed impossible.

Thanks.

tman

(983 posts)
67. And by it's very definition, you are doing that which you accuse me of, yourself. lol
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:47 AM
Jul 2020

You'll notice the question mark on the end of my sentence that posed the initial question, as to give the poster the opportunity to clarify the thread title.

The title was highly suggestive (that's me being generous) that Biden will not win. It's then up the OP to clarify anything that would be drawn from such a statement, not other ramdom posters throwing around useless debate terms they understand little about.

Cyrano

(15,023 posts)
24. My bad on that OP headline
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:26 PM
Jul 2020

I should have used something like "Republicans find new voter suppression technique."

My point was that this kind of crap could cost Biden, perhaps, a hundred thousand votes. A difference of even a few thousand votes, and we would have had a President Al Gore.

Others here have accused me of suggesting we should "give up" on FL. No Way. I spend much of my weekends on the phone for the Democratic Club pushing people to get out and vote.

Caliman73

(11,694 posts)
32. Can you change the headline to reflect that?
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:35 PM
Jul 2020

I understand your argument and it is a very good discussion to have. A lot of times people get hung up on the words or a sentiment.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
4. We won this state in 08 and 12. It was close in 16 and Hillary was very unpopular.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:26 AM
Jul 2020

I say Biden takes it.

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
10. Not to mention, the large elderly population may consider the Trump administration covid
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jul 2020

Response to threaten them directly. One pick national shift has been among those over 65.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. I agree Gulf. You and I live on the ground here.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jul 2020

Hillary’s Florida campaign was frankly poorly thought out by her staff. Her staff put zero resources in the region where I live, a region that has something like close to a half million voters. Just trimming Trump’s margin in regions like this by 5% would have had an enormous impact.

I really hope that Biden listens to President Obama and President Clinton over Hillary’s former staff concerning Florida, both Presidents contested the state four times and won three of those contests. A democratic campaign has to saturate Florida with staff and representatives, even going into the smaller counties. Hillary’s campaign counted on running up the score in big blue counties and then hanging on, but the Trump campaign undercut that by campaigning on the fringes of those big blue counties and siphoning away enough votes to win statewide, Hillary’s campaign didn’t plan a counter measure of siphoning away votes from Trump in smaller red counties like mine, there are a lot more of those among Florida’s 67 than there are big counties. I estimated that if Hillary’s campaign had trimmed Trump’s red county advantage by around an average of 1.5% consistently, she would have won Florida. Even in my red county, where she put zero resources into and Trump did a rally. She only lost by around 10%, even though there are around 35% more republicans here than democrats. I personally know democrats that I begged to vote, but they didn’t because no national democrat came here to rally them. I remember seeing how charged up the Trump voters were and thinking “where is Hillary?”, we were left with nothing but party loyalty.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. Just personal observation. The love for Trump among the White voters that helped him win
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:47 PM
Jul 2020

Florida is not evident like it was in 2016. I know a couple people that voted for him in 2016 who won’t this time around.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
31. Im sorry I think I misinterpreted your previous message.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jul 2020

I think Biden has good chance to win Florida even without ex-felons.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
28. I found some stats that suggest its not a huge impact.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jul 2020
Michael Morse, a JD candidate at Yale Law School and a PhD candidate in Harvard’s department of government, who along with University of Pennsylvania professor Marc Meredith looked at the political behavior of the 150,000 ex-felons restored by Gov. Charlie Crist about a decade ago. They wrote about their findings in a November article for Vox.

They found that black ex-felons were extremely supportive of the Democratic Party, but all other ex-felons in the state were slightly more supportive of Republicans.

In total, they found about 19,500 ex-felons whose rights were restored under Crist voted in 2016 -- about 58 percent were registered Democrats (largely black), 24 percent were registered Republicans (largely nonblack) and the rest registered with neither party.

The researchers extrapolated that if all ex-felons could have voted in in 2016, Democrats would have gained a net of 48,000 votes. Trump won the state by more than double that margin.

"Clearly there is a preference for the Democratic party, but it’s not an immense preference, particularly in voting because of low turnout," among felons, he said.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/apr/08/jared-kushner/have-more-florida-felons-registered-republicans/

"Why letting ex-felons vote probably won’t swing Florida": https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/11/2/18049510/felon-voting-rights-amendment-4-florida

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. Obama took Florida; B Clinton took it once; Gore lost just barely, etc.; without x-prison vote.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:51 AM
Jul 2020

mitch96

(13,821 posts)
16. So they owe money? Crowd funding to pay the "poll tax".. Get some wealthy sports figures
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jul 2020

and business men/women to donate.. Get the names, get the amounts and pay it off..
Bloomberg are you listening?????
The repukes can't win unless they cheat... fuck'em... They will scream the dem's are buying votes...... you bet 'cha!!
m

mcar

(42,210 posts)
18. It's not that easy
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jul 2020

Most county courts can't even tell the returning citizens what they owe.

I attended a workshop at the Democratic Women's Club of Florida's annual convention last September. The speaker was the president of Florida ACLU and the subject was the lawsuits against DeRacist's law overturning the will of the Florida voters.

He noted that, in one FL county, a returning citizen was given 3 different amounts on 3 different days.

What's to stop them from arresting one of these citizens who pay their fine and register to vote, but then the Clerk of Courts comes up with a different amount?

mitch96

(13,821 posts)
35. "can't even tell the returning citizens what they owe. "
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:59 PM
Jul 2020

F'n amazing.......... BUT coming from this repuke administration in Tally it's to be expected.
Not only a poll tax but they try to screw it up even going by "their" rules....... grrrrrrrrrr
m

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. I seriously doubt that Trump will win Florida.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:05 PM
Jul 2020

There is a lot going on here that is negative for Trump and positive for Joe. Yes, ex-felons MAYBE not being able to vote in November is an issue, but no one can really say how those felons would got. We also have tens of thousands of Puerto Rican American citizens in Florida for this voting cycle.

An observation that I made is that there are very few Trump signs on vehicles of White citizens here. In 2016, the area was awash with those vehicle stickers as early as June 2016. That may not say much, but it may also say that enthusiasm for Trump is down. Hillary lost my county by only ~10%, even though her team put absolutely zero resources in a combined area that cover just over a million people in 5 of Florida’s 67 counties.

In my view, Florida appears to be leaning toward Biden, that bias may get larger as Trump continues to make a mess of things.

I didn’t realize it, but my area actually elected a Black man to the State House. I remember voting for him in the 2018 General, but I didn’t seriously feel that he had a chance. But his message about environmental issues in the area apparently proved strong with the heavily White majority population here. So the issue of why people vote for a person is more complex in this region than just race or political party.

mcar

(42,210 posts)
20. Florida Democrats gain vote-by-mail advantage
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/06/24/florida-democrats-gain-vote-by-mail-advantage-1294263

Democrats have opened up a 302,000-voter advantage over Republicans in vote-by-mail enrollment, an edge that could pay big dividends in President Donald Trump’s newly adopted must-win state.

Five months before Election Day, more than 1.46 million Democrats have signed up to vote by mail compared to 1.16 million Republicans, according to an analysis of state Division of Election data released Friday. By comparison, in 2016, Democrats held an advantage of about 8,800 in vote-by-mail enrollment.

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IMPOTUS is shooting himself in the foot with his VBM lies. VBM was Republicans' mainstay for a very long time while Democrats tended to have the advantage in early voting. Now more Democrats are registered to VBM - by a big #.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,260 posts)
21. Covid19 is the key to Florida IMO.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:18 PM
Jul 2020

Idiot DeSantis is doing everything in his power to make sure we continue to be the epicenter of the World for the virus. He controls the numbers for prisons and senior facilities - once some enterprising reporter obtains the true numbers and publishes Florida will truly be in play.

JCMach1

(27,544 posts)
47. This is the correct answer... older people are absolutely terrified/terrorized by what's going on...
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:45 PM
Jul 2020

I am a native Floridian (my parents still live there) and I saw this first hand when I visited just before this latest spike.

I will even go out on a limb and say Florida is already lost to Trump by 2-5%.

Book mark the prediction.

edhopper

(33,208 posts)
33. 2018 showed us it doesn't matter who actually wins
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jul 2020

they will fix it for Trump, win or lose.
The way they did for Scott and DeSantis.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
39. Democrats fixed it for DeSantis and Scott
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:18 PM
Jul 2020

By ignorantly nominating Andrew Gillum instead of Gwen Graham

That single decision altered both results. Gillum was branded an unethical socialist to the point 46% in the exit poll said he was too liberal for the state. I have followed that category since 1992 and never seen anything approaching that number

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
58. Boom! I'm glad to see someone else who agrees with me about Graham
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:26 AM
Jul 2020

I almost cried when Gillum won, because I knew it would be an uphill battle. Gwen Graham would have routed DeSantis.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
65. Winner, winner chicken dinner
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:31 AM
Jul 2020

We nominate a horribly unelectable candidate for governor in 18.

Graham would have won by 4% pulling the weak Nelson over the line.

The only surprise is how close he actually came to winning.

We even managed to elect a relatively unknown candidate to Agriculture Commissioner, a position most outside Florida don’t understand. Which shows lots of people who voted against Gillum were more than willing to vote Democratic.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
36. Trump only won Florida last time by about 100,000 votes
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:05 PM
Jul 2020

And that was with full ex-felon disenfranchisement.

Trump’s less popular now than he was in 2016, and even with the disgusting end run around the new enfranchisement rule, there will still be some who have paid off and are eligible to vote.

Bottom line is that Trump’s in serious trouble in Florida no matter how you slice it.

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
60. And, the FBI and DeathSsantis said two counties here were hacked by Russia
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:29 AM
Jul 2020

And refused to name them. We both know those two are a combo of PBC, Broward, and Miami-Dade.

HRC was not routed by any means.

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
37. Paging Bloomberg! Oh, Mr Bloomberg!
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:12 PM
Jul 2020

Please, pickup the curtesy phone. There's an urgent call for you.

If he truly wants to toss some money at an issue, here's an inexpensive one for him to tackle.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
38. The ex-felon vote was going to be split anyway
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:16 PM
Jul 2020

I saw one lengthy report that indicated it would probably lean slightly Republican. Regardless, it was preposterous to assign the entirety to Democrats. I argued that when the bill was passed in 2018.

Biden should win Florida. The state tilts only 1-2 points red at base instinct. That is blatant from the ideological breakdown of 36% conservatives and 25% liberals, compared to the national number of 35% conservatives and 26% liberals.

We under perform in Florida because we get out worked and out strategized. It is as simple as that. I see it every cycle. The GOP makes phone calls and does door to door canvassing all year long. We try to cram within the final months. I never get contacted by statewide Democrats or national Democrats but I receive mailers and emails from Republicans and right wing sources all the time. It is obvious what it going on. They don't care that I am a registered Democrat. They look at my demographic as a white male of certain age and assign me as potentially gettable.

Plus the GOP hammers the Spanish language stations and households while we do virtually nothing.

However, that type of variance is only worth perhaps 2 points. I'm sure we will under perform again in Florida compared to polling or what the partisan index should be, but if Biden maintains a healthy national edge it should narrowly be enough.

Don't be stupid enough to believe any poll with Biden 5 or 6 points ahead in Florida. I warned about that in 2018 with Gillum and Nelson polling.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
40. Right, not sure how people assume excons
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:25 PM
Jul 2020

are overwhelmingly going to vote R need to spend a little time in a prison.

Its not a "liberal" environment.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
42. Were you living here when an African American named Obama won the state twice?
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jul 2020

I was. Been here for 33 years.

I’m more optimistic than I have ever been. The virus is out of control, our economy has crashed and unemployment help runs out in 2 weeks. Then things will get real bad.

The whole felon thing is fool’s gold. Of course I think no one should ever lose their right to vote. But there is nothing showing that that most will even vote. And lots of the white collar felons will vote republican. There are just not 1,000,000 Democratic voter there pining to vote against trump.

I now know 4 non-Hillary voters who are voting for Biden. 3 voted for trump. One wrote in Kaisch.

And lots of old folks are scared to death of this virus, as they should be. But they see trump as writing them off as expendable for the economy.

If Biden picks Harris he will win bigger than Obama did.

It will be the Obama coalition all over on steroids.





 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
43. I have not been seeing Republican canvassers this year
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:27 PM
Jul 2020

Coronavirus may be derailing their relentless door to door push. Typically it would be well underway in my neighborhood every afternoon.

All the more reason for Biden to prioritize Florida.

Actually what we need to do is hire someone who understands the complicated demographics of Florida, and how to maximize. My Cuban neighbors always tell me it's a joke how infrequently they see or hear Democratic spots on those Spanish stations compared to Republican onslaught. And when I occasionally click over there I detect the same thing.

notinkansas

(1,095 posts)
48. With a pandemic raging in Florida -
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 01:11 AM
Jul 2020

who could possibly support that? Residents would have to be brain dead to vote for more of the same.

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
49. Why do you think they would all vote D?
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 01:17 AM
Jul 2020

I think they will fall into the normal party split. I don’t think they will be overly grateful to democrats for helping to restore their right to vote.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
50. Spectacularly lacking in context, data, or logic
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 01:44 AM
Jul 2020


Putting aside the felon voting rights issue there is little reason to believe that Trump has any advantage in Floridal. Every known data point speaks to a likely Biden win.

1) Trump didn't get a majority in FL in 2016.

2) Every state where Trump failed to get 50%, like FL and AZ he is trailing badly.

3) Trump eeked out a win by only 110,000 votes, less than 2%.

4) Biden has led Trump in 15 straight polls over 3 months. While his 5-7 percent lead isn't great by many states experience it is unusually large by FL standards where races are determined by a couple of points.

5) DeSantis. Enough said

6 There are certain things that are hallowed in FL. The leak that exposed Trump's plan to initiate off shore drilling is devistating in FL.

7) Covid debacle.


Florida will be decided early and as soon as it is called drinking alcohol will commence at our house. It will be very early

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
51. I live here -- Biden will win
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:19 AM
Jul 2020

By even more than Obama did.

Gillum was a very, very weak candidate (sigh Gwen Graham) and probably did indeed beat DeSantis, but let's make believe he actually lost: he lost by very, very, very little. And, Trump only maybe beat HRC by 1.2%.

We are the epicenter of CV19. Literally.

DeathSantis lurves Trumpie.

Biden wins Florida by five points, at least.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
62. There was extensive analysis done of this law before it passed
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:33 AM
Jul 2020

it was far less skewed towards Democrats/lean Democratic voters than you might suspect. it was nearly evenly split

I'll see if I can find the links later

sl8

(13,584 posts)
63. Regarding "... SCOTUS refused to hear the case ..."
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:54 AM
Jul 2020

I don't think that SCOTUS has denied cert; as far as I know it hasn't even been requested. They did decline to vacate the 11th Cir. stay last week- is that what you're thinking of?

Also, regarding, "... and the lower federal courts (controlled by Republican justices) said "Fuck That"...". The district court judge, Judge Hinkle, decided mostly in favor of the felons and provided the State with a procedure to follow. He was appointed by Bill Clinton. The 11th Cir. did issue a stay of that decision, but hasn't yet heard the case.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,321 posts)
66. The Florida legislature is full of right wing nutcases.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jul 2020

The people voted in medical marijuana. The right wing assholes have slow-walked the implementation of that.

The people voted in allowing felons to vote. The right wing assholes have slow-walked the implementation of that as well.

The fact is, Florida remains politically a Southern state, with all the assumed and requisite racist and bullshit backward thinking that includes. There are little old ladies in Tallahassee that want bible bullshit taught as science in school, OK? They want to pass laws requiring the Ten Commandments and the dubious “In God We Trust” saying be placed in schools.


We like to think we are all SCIENCEY and stuff, what with launching rockets and all from the cape, but the fact is, Tallahassee is nothing but southern god damned Alabama

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