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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:26 PM Sep 2012

One Charbroiled Burger Pollutes As Much As An 18-Wheeler Driving 143 Miles Says Study

Quick, which is worse for the environment: driving a massive, exhaust-belching diesel-sucking big rig 100 miles or walking down the street in hemp sandals, bamboo shorts and a reclaimed burlap poncho to a locally-owned restaurant, and ordering a grass-fed, locally-farmed angus beef hamburger? It's the burger. You monster.

A study from UC Riverside found that the particulate air pollution from a commercial kitchens (that means pretty much any restaurant, from industrial fast food shithole to adorable café) cooking charbroiled burgers was worse than pollution from diesel trucks.

How much worse? Here's what the principal development engineer, Bill Welch has to say: "For comparison, an 18-wheeler diesel engine truck would have to drive 143 miles on the freeway to put out the same mass of particulates as a single charbroiled hamburger patty."

Diesel exhaust, which certainly generates its share of airborne nastiness, is very well regulated, and many mechanisms are in place to help control it. Charbroiling, however, while releasing plenty of particulates (grease, smoke, heat, water vapor, and combustion products) has almost no regulation in place to control emissions. The study found that these uncontrolled emissions actually are more than twice the output of all heavy-duty diesel trucks, and is the second-largest source of particulate pollution in the South Coast Air Basin.

http://jalopnik.com/5944670/one-charbroiled-burger-pollutes-as-much-as-an-18+wheeler-driving-143-miles-says-study

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One Charbroiled Burger Pollutes As Much As An 18-Wheeler Driving 143 Miles Says Study (Original Post) onehandle Sep 2012 OP
Why are either legal.... jenw2 Sep 2012 #1
cannot be serious, can you loli phabay Sep 2012 #5
I'm not sure if you're serious, so JoeyT Sep 2012 #20
Oh bullshit. OffWithTheirHeads Sep 2012 #2
I take it the article tipped your sacred cow Care Acutely Sep 2012 #7
I wonder how much pollution the old John Deere put out snooper2 Sep 2012 #10
Water vapor? jberryhill Sep 2012 #3
"Air contaminant" tends to exclude condensation and water vapor. Robb Sep 2012 #9
But doesn't it matter what the particulates are? jberryhill Sep 2012 #19
Water vapor is a gas, and water droplets aren't considered particulates in the pollution sense petronius Sep 2012 #11
Doesn't LA have restrictions on commercial BBQ's? jberryhill Sep 2012 #12
I don't really know - the UCR release just quotes one of the engineers that petronius Sep 2012 #14
There was some large city a few years back... jberryhill Sep 2012 #18
It takes Laurajr Sep 2012 #4
Can we factor in all the resources used to get the oil for the truck? (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2012 #6
Is this a Koch-funded study? nt Jacoby365 Sep 2012 #8
Dead animals on a grill still taste amazing. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #13
A key question is what are the effects of the different forms of pollution being discussed here? antigone382 Sep 2012 #15
Well how about non-charbroiled then? Duer 157099 Sep 2012 #16
Sorry, but I'm still not canceling this weekend's barbeque. NT Llewlladdwr Sep 2012 #17

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
20. I'm not sure if you're serious, so
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:04 AM
Sep 2012

I'll treat this as if you were.

Quick question: How much medicine can you produce locally? What about surgical equipment? Paper? Clothing? Bicycles, especially tires?

I'm guessing the answer to all these are none, and that's your answer for why driving a big rig is legal.

Edited to add: Unless you were asking why it's legal to run the trucks off diesel, and the answer to that is because they'd get such miserable fuel efficiency running on gasoline that not only would the pollution increase exponentially, but the price of absolutely necessary goods would skyrocket.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
10. I wonder how much pollution the old John Deere put out
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:54 PM
Sep 2012

That we used to use to drag the dead cow up the hanging tree to bleed it and butcher it LOL...

Some of the meat went on the grill that night in most cases...Somebody should have done a study

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. Water vapor?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:34 PM
Sep 2012

I believe it is likely that the significance of the word "particulate" will be lost on many.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
9. "Air contaminant" tends to exclude condensation and water vapor.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:50 PM
Sep 2012

I haven't read this study, but that's how it is in most environmental studies. I'll dig in.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
19. But doesn't it matter what the particulates are?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:57 PM
Sep 2012

..and what other goodies the particulates may be bearing?

petronius

(26,602 posts)
11. Water vapor is a gas, and water droplets aren't considered particulates in the pollution sense
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:55 PM
Sep 2012

The author of the linked article screwed up his paraphrasing from the UCR release - that parenthetical is inaccurate.

The other inaccuracy is the blurring of particulate pollution and total pollution in the truck comparison - cookers may emit more PM pollution than the diesels, but that's only part of the equation. Still, I'm surprised both that cooking is such a large part of the PM portion, and that it's unregulated...

petronius

(26,602 posts)
14. I don't really know - the UCR release just quotes one of the engineers that
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:14 PM
Sep 2012

"...commercial charbroilers are a very significant uncontrolled source of particulate matter..."

BBQs may be different from in-store broilers, or perhaps "uncontrolled" is an exaggeration. In any case, it strikes me that if this is the 2nd largest PM source, it may be a good target for improving air quality...

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. There was some large city a few years back...
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:53 PM
Sep 2012

...where there was a hullabaloo over regulation of cooking on grills.

Laurajr

(223 posts)
4. It takes
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:35 PM
Sep 2012

5124 gallons of water to Produce a single pound of beef and it takes 16 pounds of grain to produce a single pound of beef....raising beef is a huge drain on our resources not to mention what it does to our health

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
15. A key question is what are the effects of the different forms of pollution being discussed here?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:22 PM
Sep 2012

Grease and physical particles could very well settle out of the air fairly quickly. The CO2 from the truck exhaust will not.

Obviously I'm aware that the grilling most certainly involves carbon emissions as well, but in what proportions compared to the truck? The question is, looking beyond amounts themselves, what are the long term negative effects of the two forms of pollution being discussed here?

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