Who should we blame about short-changing the Census?

[brooklynite]

The Trump Administration for ending the count a month early?

Or the US Citizens and Residents who haven't found five minutes to fill out the Census form over five months?

[brokephibroke]

1. We may have to re-do it

I’m sure the case can be made....

[Delmette2.0]

3. I'm in favor of that.

There are reasons for people not responding.

1. They don't trust giving the government any information.
2. Pandemic
3. Immigration


What have I missed?

[2naSalit]

7. That pretty much covers it...

The last one had a good number of nonrespondent follow-ups. I can imagine that it's exponentially so this time.

I also suspect that the prelude studies that should have taken place in 2019 were conducted either. They've been planning to mess this up from the beginning.

[hlthe2b]

2. You want to blame the public during the worst pandemic in a century? This is the time we ALWAYS

have to accelerate outreach to the hard-to-reach populations. ALWAYs. Of course the Trump administration you seem reluctant to blame--that wants no immigrant nor non-citizen counted and has made that clear for nearly four years now will benefit from the overwhelming foreclosures and evictions--that THEY are largely responsible for. Can't count those you can't find, now, can you? Those without computer access. Those without permanent or even forwardable addresses. Those hospitalized, dying, or about to be.


Yeah, blame the public. That's the ticket.

[brooklynite]

6. 40%...

...have not filled out their Census form, using wifi, their cell phone, a mail-in form or a phone call. 40% have not been in an ICU bed for five months.

Plenty of blame accrues to the Trump Administration, but people need to do the bare minimum to counter his influence.

[hlthe2b]

8. How disingenous of you to suggest that I was implying ICU hospitalizations account for majority

of those missed.

You seem to be quite out of touch. Maybe take a look outside NYC for once. And, yes, I DO know about the census, having worked on planning and completing it a decade ago! You, do NOT.

That you attach 40% of the blame on the public over the orchestrated attempts of Trump and his ilk to sabotage it is beyond explanation.

[msongs]

20. beware of trump induced paranoia lol nt

[soothsayer]

4. Both

[Demsrule86]

5. I did mine. People have to be responsible. You can do it online.

[hlthe2b]

11. See all that yellow. NO internet access (even if they have $$, are not homeless/ nonEnglish speakers

Easy to say everyone else is irresponsible. You and I and all on DU are not reflective of the country at large.




Those lacking include 39% or rural areas, 41% of tribal areas, 66% of US Territories and at least 4% of urban areas

[former9thward]

16. Everyone got a postage paid mail in form.

Or they could phone it in. Unless you are suggesting no one has mail service or phone service.

[hlthe2b]

18. I am saying that the numbers who have not yet complied are not unsual. And I have the experience

and knowledge to actually KNOW. We ALWAYS have to do in-person follow-ups, that is unless you are in support of a Trump-favoring and manipulated UNDERCOUNT? So, which is it?

[former9thward]

21. If you had ANY knowledge of census operations you would know

The US Census Bureau has statistical formulas they use to get to 100% of the count. When they have a certain percent of non responders they don't just say "Oh well, we tried". They used them in 2010 and will use them in 2020. These formulas will get them to about 1% of the actual number which is about as good as you can get.

[hlthe2b]

24. Again, you are ill informed. Trump is shutting this down (or trying to) before we get to that point.

I responded to you in detail down below, but somehow it appears you are not willing to educate yourself. You are sadly ill-informed on the current status of what is going on and however unintentionally, defending Trump's total bastardization of the process.

Having worked on a previous census--its development, planning, and yes, analysis, you are way off base.

[former9thward]

25. Well, I just turned on my census phone this morning

an it gave me another 42 homes to go to today. We have thousands of people working in Chicago. I guess we are all part of the Trump conspiracy.

[hlthe2b]

26. ???? I never said it wasn't continuing right now. What is your problem? Trump is shutting it down

EARLY. If you care about the validity of the census, that should bother the HELL out of you!

So, DO you care about the validity and full completion of the census or not?

[ibegurpard]

9. You do understand

That a large portion of the census will always require door to door canvassing right? People aren't actually located at mailing addresses like PO boxes and if that's their only address they have to be physically canvassed and pinpointed on some sort of map. It's the same problem encountered by rural 911 providers and the issue Republicans have exploited in disenfranchising Native American voters on reservations.

[hlthe2b]

10. He appears to think everything and everyone is as it is in NYC

Does he even know that there are wide swaths of the US WITHOUT internet access? (Not to mention the poor, homeless, and immigrant communities in cities where that should NOT be an issue, but it is)

[ibegurpard]

12. The idiots in the Trump adminstration pushing this

Don't seem to realize they're also going to be short-changing the count of their own people in rural areas.

[brooklynite]

13. 40%...

...meanwhile 79.1% have access to a smartphone. No wifi needed.

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/mobile/

[hlthe2b]

14. AND poor cell coverage. You just DON'T get it (or want to get it)...

You really need to get out of NYC once in a blue moon. )

And no, you really can't get across Colorado or Wyoming (or Missouri, Kansas, etc.) in the time it takes you to drive to Connecticut or elsewhere in the NE since you will likely next suggest they just drive to their "nearby" Starbucks. .

[demmiblue]

15. That'll never happen.

Why mingle with the hoi polloi when you can wall yourself off from such unpleasantries?

[former9thward]

17. You do understand

that the U.S. Census has the physical addresses of every residential house or building in the U.S. The forms were mailed to everyone of those. In 2019 the Census sent out tens of thousands of teams to check addresses for errors or housing that was missing. Everyone got forms. They even do a census of the homeless in March before the regular census starts up. There is NO difference between this census and the one in 2010. I have worked on both.

[hlthe2b]

19. Again, you seem to have no understanding, that we ALWAYS have to do follow-up and never more so than

with a world-record setting pandemic underway. Yet, your comments seem to inexplicably point toward a defense of the Trump position on this issue. That you seemingly don't know this about a census you claimed to have participated in prior efforts, well, leaves me wondering. There is nothing about what Trump is trying to do with this census that is "normal." And, yes, I know.

"Sad", as that particular politco would say....

[former9thward]

22. Follow ups ARE being done.

But you can't break down a door and order people to answer questions. You also can't get census enumerators to put them selves in situations where they feel they would be at risk. Maybe you should be running the census since you know all the answers.

[hlthe2b]

23. Boy are you failing to follow what is happening. Trump is trying to shut this process down

a month early--even AFTER census officials requested a four month extension due to COVID_19 related delays in the interview process.

And yes, I was involved in the planning and analysis of a prior census earlier in my career. So, your unwarranted snark aside, I'm not talking out of my ....

You on the other hand need to do some research/basic reading on the status.