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Nevilledog

(51,031 posts)
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:34 AM Aug 2020

GOP Lawmakers Said That They Were Forced To Go Along With Donald Trump's Ways Or Face Retirement

https://politicaltribune.org/gop-lawmakers-said-that-they-were-forced-to-go-along-with-donald-trumps-ways-or-face-retirement/

After a rather telling interview with the New York Times, it was revealed that both past and present Republican lawmakers are and have been so deeply under the thumb of Donald Trump that they have virtually no choice but to go along with whatever hair-brained, manic, and unhinged policy Trump has laid on the table that day — or face his ire and consider an early retirement.

Per the Times report, “Just under four years after he began his takeover of a party to which he had little connection, Mr. Trump enters 2020 burdened with the ignominy of being the first sitting president to seek re-election after being impeached,” continuing, “But he does so wearing a political coat of armor built on total loyalty from G.O.P. activists and their representatives in Congress. If he does not enjoy the broad admiration Republicans afforded Ronald Reagan, he is more feared by his party’s lawmakers than any occupant of the Oval Office since at least Lyndon Johnson.”

One former GOP lawmaker admitted that he was personally faced with the quandary of bucking Donald Trump back in 2017 and knew full well the consequences he would face if he decided to do so.

“By the summer of 2017, Dave Trott, a two-term Republican congressman, was worried enough about President Trump’s erratic behavior and his flailing attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act that he criticized the president in a closed-door meeting with fellow G.O.P. lawmakers,” the report reads. “The response was instantaneous — but had nothing to do with the substance of Mr. Trott’s concerns. ‘Dave, you need to know somebody has already told the White House what you said,’ he recalled a colleague telling him. ‘Be ready for a barrage of tweets.'”

*snip*


So retirement is worse than selling your soul? Noted.



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GOP Lawmakers Said That They Were Forced To Go Along With Donald Trump's Ways Or Face Retirement (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2020 OP
Because it never occurred to the cowardly idiots that if they stood up to him, Aristus Aug 2020 #1
+1,000 malaise Aug 2020 #4
Just tools. plimsoll Aug 2020 #65
Plus 10 . . Iliyah Aug 2020 #10
Exactly cilla4progress Aug 2020 #21
This. They aren't fit to govern because they are such cowards. nt Nay Aug 2020 #132
+1,000,000 I will never forgive or forget their cowardice. chia Aug 2020 #29
The typical Congressional Republican is genetically engineered to accept and vote on whatever a OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2020 #33
I wonder just how many actually agree with him. That is even more frightening. olegramps Aug 2020 #61
Exactly! StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #71
How right you are Aristus! Bullies hate getting a taste of their own medicine! Illumination Aug 2020 #75
Bottom line is that GOP lawmakers HAVE NOT DONE THEIR JOBS! Our country & Americans Illumination Aug 2020 #83
Thanks. Welcome to DU. Aristus Aug 2020 #85
Thank you for the welcome & cute meme Aristus! Illumination Aug 2020 #122
Paul Ryan telling other (r)epuglicons: What's said in the family stays in the family erronis Aug 2020 #86
Considered as a faily, soldierant Aug 2020 #124
Abusers I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2020 #125
It's all falling apart on them EarlG Aug 2020 #2
In the meantime, Dems will take their votes, etc. empedocles Aug 2020 #6
Some Have Retired with Honor McKim Aug 2020 #133
Now they are "concerned"? LakeArenal Aug 2020 #3
And they've all knuckled under, even the supposedly "reasonable" ones JHB Aug 2020 #5
They can read the tea leaves, and Du, and know there will be no reward from empedocles Aug 2020 #9
Only the ones who spent their careers building the road Trump is parading down... JHB Aug 2020 #116
Baloney. All they had to do was join together and unify, and that would have Mike 03 Aug 2020 #7
Suspect its the voters and their poll support that is key. empedocles Aug 2020 #14
Agree. But (a) most of them could have gotten spooky3 Aug 2020 #80
How do you do that... sarchasm Aug 2020 #60
Cowards is exactly what these fools are DonaldsRump Aug 2020 #8
We look at Nazi Germany and think, "How could this happen?" DBoon Aug 2020 #11
So what if he gets angry and says mean things about them? vlyons Aug 2020 #12
they could switch to Dem or Indy.... samnsara Aug 2020 #13
. . . and lose. empedocles Aug 2020 #17
frump took advantage of their cowardice and guilt. They propped him up willingly. lindysalsagal Aug 2020 #15
This guy nailed it perfectly: CrispyQ Aug 2020 #16
Exactly. Moscow Mitch is much worse than trump. captain queeg Aug 2020 #128
complicit, dirty cowards. Corrupt to their core. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2020 #18
Profiles in Cowardice! central scrutinizer Aug 2020 #19
We don't need invertebrate lawmakers. Spinelessness is no justification for complicity. highplainsdem Aug 2020 #20
UGH . . pity party . .. Iliyah Aug 2020 #22
COWARDS! GeorgeGist Aug 2020 #23
'Never had a choice'? No, Never had a spine. spanone Aug 2020 #24
Can Somebody That Is A Complete Idiot And Said To Have Dementia Take Over A Party..... global1 Aug 2020 #25
I'll go with "senile idiot". Tracer Aug 2020 #30
He probably threatens harm will come to them or their families judesedit Aug 2020 #43
He probably threatens harm will come to them or their families judesedit Aug 2020 #45
I agree with you PCIntern Aug 2020 #88
They all thrive on blackmail. panader0 Aug 2020 #92
They do. And probably physical threats are a regularity judesedit Aug 2020 #99
Exactly right judesedit Aug 2020 #98
trump is a senile idiot who also happens to be a Russian asset and longtime mobster, crickets Aug 2020 #51
Follow the money. luvtheGWN Aug 2020 #58
It's the work of I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2020 #126
+1 n/t Laelth Aug 2020 #137
So retirement is worse than selling your soul? 2naSalit Aug 2020 #26
Perfect argument for term limits. Raven123 Aug 2020 #27
Term limits tips the scale in favor of the Money Men Wednesdays Aug 2020 #32
👆👆👆 crickets Aug 2020 #54
Great post. murielm99 Aug 2020 #93
Seems tipped that way now. Raven123 Aug 2020 #113
That's not a reason for term limits. None of the Republicans who wanted to win in a red area JI7 Aug 2020 #114
Many will be forcibly retired anyhow Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2020 #28
"I was just following orders" Wednesdays Aug 2020 #31
+1 Auggie Aug 2020 #35
The Brownshirt excuse aeromanKC Aug 2020 #34
That mirrors my thoughts when I read about their situation. Brother Mythos Aug 2020 #66
So... They were good Germans, eh? Raster Aug 2020 #36
If you can't be a patriot in that position, you really ought to retire bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #37
Whenever/however Trump is gone, there will be many GOP retroactive epiphanies. keithbvadu2 Aug 2020 #38
Boo Hoo Bettie Aug 2020 #39
Everyone considered them the cowards of the country. tanyev Aug 2020 #40
I hope concretebluetwo Aug 2020 #49
putting their career over doing their jobs eShirl Aug 2020 #41
Putting themselves over the luvtheGWN Aug 2020 #59
Bunch of chickenshits... Canoe52 Aug 2020 #42
But I thought they HATED the government and wanted to drowned it in the bathtub???? Peregrine Took Aug 2020 #44
You gotta have a soul before you can sell it... Wounded Bear Aug 2020 #46
Hey GOP, you made this bed, now lay in it. (nt) apnu Aug 2020 #47
Well golly, what do you expect? gratuitous Aug 2020 #48
Gutless cowards, and traitors to the oaths they took to "preserve and protect the niyad Aug 2020 #50
A reminder of that Impeached status should be in every ad against him thru Nov. 3rd? Brainfodder Aug 2020 #52
Bullshit. They're all in. Onboard for the entire ride. E-fuckin' ticket, that ship sailed. Magoo48 Aug 2020 #53
E ticket. You're aging yourself. keithbvadu2 Aug 2020 #101
Wow, I guess I am. I'll be 72 in two months. Magoo48 Aug 2020 #103
Me next Jan. keithbvadu2 Aug 2020 #106
I miss E tickets mdbl Aug 2020 #120
Bullshit. You dont HAVE to retire. You may lose a primary, but stand up for yourself oldsoftie Aug 2020 #55
They are not victims of trump. They are craven opportunists. Collaborators. Duncan Grant Aug 2020 #56
In other words they didn't have balls enough to stand up to him. blueinredohio Aug 2020 #57
They chose...poorly Dukkha Aug 2020 #62
Cry me a river cowards Fullduplexxx Aug 2020 #63
Fuck them all. If they had any shred of decency, KPN Aug 2020 #64
Christ on a crutch. "Forced to..."? NOBODY is ever forced to do anything Texin Aug 2020 #67
cowards. nt Javaman Aug 2020 #68
I thought the same. StarlightGold Aug 2020 #69
What a bunch of fucking cowards. GoCubsGo Aug 2020 #70
No!!! Hell no!!! Hang Trump around their necks!!!! uponit7771 Aug 2020 #72
Wait. Let me get my smallest violin in the world to play the saddest song.... lindysalsagal Aug 2020 #73
Chicken shit traitor assholes Blecht Aug 2020 #74
Gosh, GOP, you certainly don't sound like Soviet apparatchiks at all! No, siree. Nyet. Not at all. Beartracks Aug 2020 #76
oh boo hoo, fuckers SiliconValley_Dem Aug 2020 #77
This is no surprise. A lot of people have suspected this for quite while. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2020 #78
Senate Republicans had the opportunity to get rid of Trump and their supposed fear of him. Lonestarblue Aug 2020 #79
Yep ScratchCat Aug 2020 #84
*sigh* Nexus2 Aug 2020 #81
Gotta keep them paychecks coming, the $600/wk supliment wouldn't equal $150,000/yr! marble falls Aug 2020 #82
These fucks have enough money and connections to retire comfortably. They are too greedy to retire DSandra Aug 2020 #87
My bleeding heart bleeds EVEN MORE for them right now. nt Baltimike Aug 2020 #89
I suspect that the main reason they did not buck him was they wanted to get as many of their people cstanleytech Aug 2020 #90
All those guys on trial at Nuremberg said the same thing. BamaRefugee Aug 2020 #91
Ah yes! peggysue2 Aug 2020 #94
Yes burn it down! I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2020 #127
He may have dirt and be blackmailing some of them. They are all guilty of abetting a mass murderer. Liberty Belle Aug 2020 #95
Blackmail is a good possibility Andy823 Aug 2020 #104
"He may have dirt and be blackmailing some of them." keithbvadu2 Aug 2020 #107
THIS is what's going on! bluestarone Aug 2020 #109
Gee that's too bad. dchill Aug 2020 #96
Preparing their defense for treason and crimes against humanity? ananda Aug 2020 #97
how can one stupid reality TV host wield so much power over our government? IcyPeas Aug 2020 #100
How did he get away with that shit at the Republican debate's? PCIntern Aug 2020 #102
Well, that explains everything... AmyStrange Aug 2020 #105
Then, they are fucking useless. Get rid of them and send people with a backbone to Washington DC. n Blue_true Aug 2020 #108
The voters of America will usher them into retirement anyway. BadgerMom Aug 2020 #110
Boo Fucking Hoo! Prissy little shits now want redemption. Firestorm49 Aug 2020 #111
They are still facing retirement. warmfeet Aug 2020 #112
A barrage of tweets? OMG! Sticks and Stones.... SammyWinstonJack Aug 2020 #115
Just an excuse for not having a spine. LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #117
They are an abomination Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #118
Did they not take an oath of office? DeeDeeNY Aug 2020 #119
This is a subject our Democratic candidates should EXCORIATE their opponents with! bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #121
Fuck you, GOP Shitbags Alpeduez21 Aug 2020 #123
They were handed a get out of jail free card and tossed it in the trash. Kablooie Aug 2020 #129
They worked for themselves, not for the people who put them in the job. TNNurse Aug 2020 #130
Fart noises Solly Mack Aug 2020 #131
I call bullshit. These fuckers knew what they were doing. To use the power of the orange one's thumb Hotler Aug 2020 #134
Spineless sycophants Va Lefty Aug 2020 #135
Boo-fucking-hoo. calimary Aug 2020 #136

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
1. Because it never occurred to the cowardly idiots that if they stood up to him,
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:37 AM
Aug 2020

that would rob him of the illusion of power.

Stand up to a bully, and he will back down. He may cover by saying "All right; I'm lettin' you off with a warning..." but he's backing down nevertheless...

cilla4progress

(24,718 posts)
21. Exactly
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:49 AM
Aug 2020

Scared bunch of lily-livered....

This is part of the source of my view that BIPOC should run the country, and I'm glad to see their rising numbers in US politics. They have withstood the most heinous oppression and terrorism at the hands of white oppressors and racists with courage, dignity, and perseverance .... ref. John Lewis and so many others.

I don't know a white man who doesn't reach for his balls in fear when he senses his power over the status quo at risk. I see more terrified white men in politics, journalism, industry, the professions ... and we are all subjugated to their infantile fears and anxieties. It's all there has ever been in this country.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,315 posts)
33. The typical Congressional Republican is genetically engineered to accept and vote on whatever a
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:31 PM
Aug 2020

Republican President tells him to do. Attributes like critical thinking and independent voting has been bred out of the modern Republican caucus. They are promoted to the national stage, only after proving their Party over Country bona fides. Preferably, they have a closet full of personal compromising situations which help ensure their loyalty.

It's the Russian Party model ideal.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
61. I wonder just how many actually agree with him. That is even more frightening.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:08 PM
Aug 2020

We know that his constituency is heavily comprised of whites with at most a high school education. He has little problem feeding them total nonsense with little or no rejection. That even high school educated men and women can be easily misled can be directly attributed to the fact that we rank very poorly in literacy and basic mathematic skills compared to many countries. For example out of 22 countries surveyed in as international sampling the United States scored 19th out of 22 countries in basic math skills. And far below average in literacy. If only those with a high school or less education were surveyed we would have ranked dead last in every category.

I am not surprised that he continues to have the blind support of this lower educated segment of the population. His recent interview in which he made ridiculous asinine claims in regard to our response to testing and treatment of the Corona Virus will be taken as factual by his followers. In light of the abysmal level of our citizens ability to even comprehend simple basic facts it should not be any surprise that he continues to have a significant following who are attracted to him. Their lower ability of comprehension is coupled with his pandering to their prejudices and religious extremism making it difficult if not impossible to for any reasonable discussion.

There is only one solution. That is the total defeat of Republicans for any office for local and state to federal government.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
71. Exactly!
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:30 PM
Aug 2020

Power is an illusion. If people think you have power and act accordingly, you have power. If no one acknowledges your power - especially those you need to actually carry out the acts that result in consequences - you are powerless.

It's like the Scarecrow. He wasn't smart until he got a diploma that "proved" he was smart.

If these people - even a handful of him - had stood up to Trump, he would have had no power over them.

I call bullshit. They went along because they wanted to and they liked the results, not because they were afraid of him.

And even if they were afraid of losing their seats, SO WHAT? Lose your seat and get another job ...

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
83. Bottom line is that GOP lawmakers HAVE NOT DONE THEIR JOBS! Our country & Americans
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:57 PM
Aug 2020

come FIRST! NO EXCUSES! Mitt Romney stood up to that bully-in-chief. What a pathetic bunch of GOP lawmakers! There are so many good qualified people out there that can & will take your jobs!
I suppose you would have given Hitler the green light to do whatever also! This village idiot is much more dangerous! Shame on you all! You will be remembered for being on the wrong side of history...

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
122. Thank you for the welcome & cute meme Aristus!
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 10:48 PM
Aug 2020

Aristus,
Love the quote! So true! Without our sense of humor we would be sobbing miserably now. People like you, others here & DU give us some hope & lots of laughs!

erronis

(15,185 posts)
86. Paul Ryan telling other (r)epuglicons: What's said in the family stays in the family
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:07 PM
Aug 2020

New Yorker, May 18 2017 - citing piece in the WaPo

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy said, according to Entous, a superb reporter who heard a tape recording of the colloquy. “Swear to God.”

Dana Rohrabacher is a Republican from California with a peculiar amalgam of views: pro-marijuana, dubious about climate change, pro-torture. For this last position, in 2007, Keith Olbermann awarded him his periodic “Worst Person in the World” award, on his old MSNBC show. Like Trump, Rohrabacher has been highly solicitous of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Last year, Politico ran an article on Rohrabacher called “Putin’s Favorite Congressman.”

In the Post piece, McCarthy’s remark is met with laughter, and Ryan cautions his colleagues, “This is an off the record . . . No leaks! . . . All right?”

And then, amid more laughter, Ryan says, “This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

“That’s how you know that we’re tight,” Steve Scalise, the House Majority Whip, says.

“What’s said in the family stays in the family,” Ryan concludes.

soldierant

(6,799 posts)
124. Considered as a faily,
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:41 AM
Aug 2020

they are damned good at putting the "Diss" in Dysfunctional..They diss absolutely everyone who isn't them.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
125. Abusers
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:44 AM
Aug 2020

Abusing people in domestic violence situations demand what they do and how abusive they are"stays in the family" ya know

EarlG

(21,935 posts)
2. It's all falling apart on them
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:37 AM
Aug 2020

So now that Trump is going down the tubes, we're going to get "Waah, I had no choice, he made me do it!" from the people who've been propping him up this whole time.

What a bunch of cowards.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
133. Some Have Retired with Honor
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 09:11 AM
Aug 2020

Some have retired with honor, like Jeff Flake. So what is wrong with retiring? Giving up power is hard I guess when you don’t have a soul! I was able to retire from a racist school district, thank heavens I could afford it! These guys, however, are very rich.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
5. And they've all knuckled under, even the supposedly "reasonable" ones
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:39 AM
Aug 2020

Gutless apparatchiks unfit for the offices they hold.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
9. They can read the tea leaves, and Du, and know there will be no reward from
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:41 AM
Aug 2020

anywhere for their 'courage'.

Hell, we tend to 'vigorously' attack Never Trumpers.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
116. Only the ones who spent their careers building the road Trump is parading down...
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 08:07 PM
Aug 2020

...namely, the foaming, insular Republican base.

Who, as it happens, tend to be the highest-visibility Never Trumpers, so yes, there is some vigor involved, but it's less an attack as it is a reminder of who and what they are.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
7. Baloney. All they had to do was join together and unify, and that would have
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:40 AM
Aug 2020

immunized them to a large extent against Trump's shallow and laughable attacks. Trump would have been neutralized, and he would have stopped attacking because he would never 'win' the attacks because there would be immediate and embarrassing reprisals from the GOP.

What cowardice!

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
14. Suspect its the voters and their poll support that is key.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:42 AM
Aug 2020

Hopefully, 'education', will continue to happen, and polls will follow.

spooky3

(34,407 posts)
80. Agree. But (a) most of them could have gotten
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:49 PM
Aug 2020

High paying jobs in private sector and (b) in the long run, the more right wing their base gets, the more general elections they will lose, even with voter suppression, big money support, foreign interference, etc.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
8. Cowards is exactly what these fools are
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:40 AM
Aug 2020

It's falling apart and now they are looking to blame everyone but themselves....much like their leader, the Infector-in-Chief.

It is disgusting.

DBoon

(22,340 posts)
11. We look at Nazi Germany and think, "How could this happen?"
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:42 AM
Aug 2020

Turns out we are even more craven.

Trott didn't even face the threat of arrest and torture. He only faced a tweetstorm and he buckled.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
12. So what if he gets angry and says mean things about them?
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:42 AM
Aug 2020

He's ALWAYS angry. He cultivates anger. So what, if they don't get re-elected, and then have to go out and get a REAL JOB?

They are all a bunch of corrupt disgusting slimy grifters.

captain queeg

(10,103 posts)
128. Exactly. Moscow Mitch is much worse than trump.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 05:45 AM
Aug 2020

The thing is most of these cowards were on the same page as trump with most things so why rock the boat?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
22. UGH . . pity party . ..
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:50 AM
Aug 2020

Almost 5 million infections, over 158,00 deaths, Americans that do survive may have medical issues for life …….

Recession is looming and may go into a depression while the stock market is doing ok . ………

Racism and hatred rising ………………

DHS trying to tie peaceful protestors as terrorist...……….

Americans losing healthcare and jobs...……………. small businesses loses ……………

And republicans are whining UGH

global1

(25,225 posts)
25. Can Somebody That Is A Complete Idiot And Said To Have Dementia Take Over A Party.....
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:07 PM
Aug 2020

like they are saying Trump has taken over the Repug Party - i.e., lawmakers deeply under the thumb of Trump?

Wouldn't you think - these same lawmakers - that must have something on the ball - would not fear a person like Trump if he is a 'senile idiot'?

Why do they fear Trump? Why don't they challenge Trump? Why do they keep circling the wagons around a 'senile idiot'.

I have posted a number of times here on DU - you can't have it both ways. Either Trump is a 'senile idiot' or he is the 'stable evil genius' he says he is. He can't be both.

How has Trump survived this 3 3/4 years of his presidency - virtually eluding the consequences of every criminal, illegal and maniacal action he's attempted during this period if he's a 'senile idiot'?

How has Trump maneuvered himself into the current situation where anything he says or does - is the topic of the day on MSM where he gets away with going contrary to the laws and the Constitution of the U.S.. My God - he survived 'impeachment' and wears it like a 'badge of honor'.

Look at what he is doing now. He's suggesting that voting by mail during a pandemic - is tantamount of rigging the election - when at the same time he put one of his toady's into the spot of sabotaging the post-office to basically help support his suggestion of rigging - only he's rigging things to his advantage.

What about cutting off the 'census'. Ending the counting of American's so that his administration can control the outcome versus letting it proceed the way it should and letting it conclude under the next administration - where it is likely that a Biden Administration would be in charge.

How has he gotten away with placing Barr in the DOJ - to become his own personal tool - and it appears to be working?

I could go on and cite countless decisions and actions he's taken that are equally damaging to our democracy that have taken place over the last 3 3/4yrs.

Is that the work of a 'senile idiot' or a 'stable evil genius'? We really can't have it both ways.

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
30. I'll go with "senile idiot".
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:23 PM
Aug 2020

Because I do not believe that it is HIM who has dreamed up all the attacks on law, environment, voting, media, etc. etc.

He's got a table full of cabinet members who can fulfill their dreams of deregulation and any other issue they want and realize that they can fill up his empty head with those dreams.

He also has people like Jared and Miller who can also whisper in his ear with suggestions on this and that and take advantage of his innate vengefulness.

judesedit

(4,437 posts)
43. He probably threatens harm will come to them or their families
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:45 PM
Aug 2020

Many people have died that got in his way.

judesedit

(4,437 posts)
45. He probably threatens harm will come to them or their families
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:46 PM
Aug 2020

Many people have died that got in his way. He has many toadies to help with that.

PCIntern

(25,491 posts)
88. I agree with you
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:10 PM
Aug 2020

And have been saying this for years. This is mob rule, and I guarantee you these people have been threatened, or threatened with exposure for some misdeed which would in their opinion, cost them their seats, their marriages, or even their freedom.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
92. They all thrive on blackmail.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:29 PM
Aug 2020

Putin blackmails trump, Epstein blackmailed everyone he got on tape with his stable of young
girls. Trump blackmails repubs that he knows took money from Russia. and on and on. Sick shit.
Lindsey is being blackmailed too.

crickets

(25,952 posts)
51. trump is a senile idiot who also happens to be a Russian asset and longtime mobster,
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:56 PM
Aug 2020

and a lot of the more powerful Repubs who could and should stand up to him anyway don't, because they have taken Russian money. Be it dark money campaign contributions or a sudden influx of Russian business interests pumping money into their state, legally and otherwise, the rubles are just too good. They are bought and paid for, and fear the tweets not because they give a damn about orange julius, but because behind those petulant tweets could be an inconvenienced and unhappy Russian Mafiya.

That's my theory, anyway.

eta - I almost forgot the kompromat. In the runup to the 2016 election, both the DNC and RNC email servers were hacked. The DNC emails were leaked. The RNC emails were not, and still lurk in the background hiding untold secrets.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
58. Follow the money.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:05 PM
Aug 2020

Fortunately, there are plenty of investigative journalists who have been busy uncovering the source.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
126. It's the work of
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:52 AM
Aug 2020

An abusive sociopath piece of shit who knows how to abuse and create enablers. It's Trump's pathology. Neither an evil genius or senile idiot. He is a psychopath narcissist authoritarian sadist. Who creates the illusion of power via gaslighting and abuse.

Research why abused people take so long to dump abusive spouses.


We gotta keep dark triads out of the house,Senate and president because of their pathology.

Raven123

(4,792 posts)
27. Perfect argument for term limits.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:12 PM
Aug 2020

“Retirement “ from Congress is incongruous with the idea of public service as elected officials in the House and Senate as envisioned at the inception of the nation. Elected officials should come from the populace and return to the same, resuming life among the rest of us, complete with the benefits, and burdens created by the laws enacted during their elected terms and without retirement benefits that many citizens will never see.

Wednesdays

(17,321 posts)
32. Term limits tips the scale in favor of the Money Men
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:28 PM
Aug 2020

I'd be in favor of it if we could get the damn money out of politics.

crickets

(25,952 posts)
54. 👆👆👆
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:59 PM
Aug 2020
https://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/10/18/13323842/trump-term-limits

Term limits also strengthen the power of lobbyists and interest groups for the same reason. In term-limited states, lawmakers and their staff have less time to build up expertise, since they are there for a limited time. But like the executive agencies of the state government, lobbyists and interest groups are also there year after year. They are the true repeat players building long-term relationships and the true keepers of the institutional knowledge. This gives them power.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
114. That's not a reason for term limits. None of the Republicans who wanted to win in a red area
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 07:59 PM
Aug 2020

would have stood up to trump since they needed people who support him to vote for them.

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
37. If you can't be a patriot in that position, you really ought to retire
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:41 PM
Aug 2020

so what is it they don't understand?

keithbvadu2

(36,676 posts)
38. Whenever/however Trump is gone, there will be many GOP retroactive epiphanies.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:42 PM
Aug 2020

As another poster noted; Profiles in Cowardice.

Bettie

(16,077 posts)
39. Boo Hoo
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:42 PM
Aug 2020

No sympathy for any of them.

They KNOW what he is and they chose it. Eyes open, they chose a man who has loyalty only to himself and his owner, Putin.

Fuck him and fuck them all.

Peregrine Took

(7,412 posts)
44. But I thought they HATED the government and wanted to drowned it in the bathtub????
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:45 PM
Aug 2020

Or do they mean they HATE it for you and me but love wallowing in the trough themselves??

Wounded Bear

(58,605 posts)
46. You gotta have a soul before you can sell it...
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:48 PM
Aug 2020


The idea that they "sold their souls" indicates that it wasn't a very good one to begin with.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
48. Well golly, what do you expect?
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:51 PM
Aug 2020

Republican officeholders had a lot to lose. A cushy job with lots of perks, fully funded pension, revolving door entree into the private sector as a lobbyist or consultant, and a permanent spot on the swell party circuit. You can't expect them to jeopardize that just so they can stand up for the country and the Constitution, can you? It's far preferable for them to leave it to people who don't have quite so much to lose (who may, in fact, have nothing to lose). Sure, those dirty unwashed masses don't have any clout and nobody who matters listens to them, but let them take the heat for pushing back against Trump and his corrupt administration.

And, when this is all over, we can all be pals again and everything goes back to the way it was with them still being the haves (if not the have-mores) and you all being the have nots. We good?

niyad

(113,085 posts)
50. Gutless cowards, and traitors to the oaths they took to "preserve and protect the
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:54 PM
Aug 2020

Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and. DOMESTIC".

I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for them. They created, and enabled, this traitorous, murdering monster every step of the way. I wish that I believed in the xian version of Hell, because that is where they belong.

oldsoftie

(12,492 posts)
55. Bullshit. You dont HAVE to retire. You may lose a primary, but stand up for yourself
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 12:59 PM
Aug 2020

Unless there's "information" on you that would be revealed if you DONT toe the line!

Duncan Grant

(8,260 posts)
56. They are not victims of trump. They are craven opportunists. Collaborators.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:02 PM
Aug 2020

They knew what they were doing. Think of the most courageous, principled people you know — well, these Republicans are the exact opposite.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
62. They chose...poorly
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:09 PM
Aug 2020

and now they will suffer the same fate and be erased from history along with the Ass clown.

KPN

(15,638 posts)
64. Fuck them all. If they had any shred of decency,
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:10 PM
Aug 2020

any shred of patriotism or respect for the Constitution, they WOULD RETIRE rather than fall in place under tRump’s tiny putrid thumb.

No frigging sympathy from me traitors.

Texin

(2,590 posts)
67. Christ on a crutch. "Forced to..."? NOBODY is ever forced to do anything
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:17 PM
Aug 2020

unless it's at the point of a gun or the tip of a knife blade.

lindysalsagal

(20,592 posts)
73. Wait. Let me get my smallest violin in the world to play the saddest song....
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:32 PM
Aug 2020

They almost make me want hell to exist so they can fry there....

Beartracks

(12,801 posts)
76. Gosh, GOP, you certainly don't sound like Soviet apparatchiks at all! No, siree. Nyet. Not at all.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:36 PM
Aug 2020
< obviously

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Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
79. Senate Republicans had the opportunity to get rid of Trump and their supposed fear of him.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:41 PM
Aug 2020

They refused. They could have convicted, removed him from office, and prevented him from holding any future elected office. I suspect they refused to follow the law not out of fear of Trump, but out of love for their power and Trump’s ability to take all the media attention away from anyone but himself, leaving them with cushy jobs where they do very little. Some of them may have feared Trump’s most rabid supporters, but all they had tondo was hold a secret vote. MAGATs would never vote for Democrats.

ScratchCat

(1,977 posts)
84. Yep
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:58 PM
Aug 2020

Its mind boggling. I've said it multiple time. Trump has no power over any of them as long as they stick together and rebuke him. Pretending "we had to do it" to "keep our jobs" is a ridiculous excuse that ignores the strength in numbers fact.

Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
81. *sigh*
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 01:53 PM
Aug 2020

So the people that stood up to other dictators (or didn't) were cowed by direct threats and implemented imprisonment, brutal torture and execution... These jerks are cowed by mean tweets and the possibility of having to find a new job (while often having multi million dollar savings, investments, etc, to live on ... speaking of incentive not to go back to work but that's another rant).

DSandra

(999 posts)
87. These fucks have enough money and connections to retire comfortably. They are too greedy to retire
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:07 PM
Aug 2020

And of course we know of the notorious revolving door...

They chose to be a tool for Trump.

cstanleytech

(26,248 posts)
90. I suspect that the main reason they did not buck him was they wanted to get as many of their people
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:15 PM
Aug 2020

on the courts as they could so to get them appointed they had to stay on his good side.

peggysue2

(10,825 posts)
94. Ah yes!
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:33 PM
Aug 2020

Here come the regrets and excuses for supporting and enabling the worst president in US history all the while watching the destruction said president has wrought and continues to wreak on our constitutional Republic.

Because mean tweets. Because verbal assaults and the specter of retirement.

Too little, too late.

All these people can burn in Hell along with their vindictive role model.

A better alternative? Burn the Republican Party to the ground, then stomp on the ashes.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
127. Yes burn it down!
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 01:04 AM
Aug 2020

The republican party is a revolving door for greedy narcissistic criminal coward fuckfaces vermin traitors! Time to get rid of them. And fuck the goddamn stupid ignorant foaming magats. Chase these toxins back into their hidey holes and take their fucking guns away.
No more militia wannabees. If they wanna fight for our country join re enlist in the real militia,the national guard or STFU about your fucking ignorant half ass understanding of what the second amendment says.

Liberty Belle

(9,533 posts)
95. He may have dirt and be blackmailing some of them. They are all guilty of abetting a mass murderer.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:37 PM
Aug 2020

Of course the spineless cowards could simply have impeached him. Those most vulnerable could have refrained from voting. It would only have taken a few Senators to join Romney and Dems and this entire pandemic could have been prevented. The nation needs to be reminded: They knew how crooked and incompetent he was, and they were too cowardly to remove him from office and put Pence in charge, which would have been the honorable action for them to take. The blood of over 150,000 Americans who died of COVID is now on the Republican Senators' hands, not just Trump's.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
104. Blackmail is a good possibility
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:53 PM
Aug 2020

That would explain why some of them are cowards. The others could be afraid of his retribution if they cross him. He could make their life miserable and get his cult followers not to vote for them come election time.

I still think the only way they get rid of this "bully" is if he doesn't win the election, and they know that. I would be willing to bet many of them are praying daily that he does't win. They created the monster, but they couldn't control him. Now he "controls" them.

The big problem with a narcissist like trump, it that the more he gets his way, the more he will push the limits of his power. If they are afraid of him now, how much worse will it be for them if he wins another four years?

keithbvadu2

(36,676 posts)
107. "He may have dirt and be blackmailing some of them."
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 06:06 PM
Aug 2020

"He may have dirt and be blackmailing some of them."

Lindsey Graham was strongly against Trump until they had a golf game together.

Then he became in love with Trump.

Even more than Rocketman Kim.

IcyPeas

(21,842 posts)
100. how can one stupid reality TV host wield so much power over our government?
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 03:40 PM
Aug 2020

couldn't they have all banded together and said "NO".

Unbelievable

PCIntern

(25,491 posts)
102. How did he get away with that shit at the Republican debate's?
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 04:17 PM
Aug 2020

Not one of them stood up to him and shouted him down. All they needed was one Joseph Welch moment and he’s been finished.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
112. They are still facing retirement.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 07:50 PM
Aug 2020

But now, they have revealed themselves for what they are - shitstain cowards. They will face consequences.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
118. They are an abomination
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 08:38 PM
Aug 2020

They took an oath of office, they were elected to represent the people of their home states, they are integral to our nation's system of checks and balances. They single-handedly allowed the rise of fascism with their subordinate, cowardly acquiescence. They should be stripped of any and all benefits their office permitted them.

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
121. This is a subject our Democratic candidates should EXCORIATE their opponents with!
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 08:50 PM
Aug 2020

GOP just admitted, collectively and individually, that they are TOOLS! Unable to make independent judgment, or AFRAID of Donald Trump! WHAT do we PAY them for? To be a RUBBER STAMP????

Take it to them! Don't let this angle float by unused and unnoticed. GOP is trying to sound like snowflakes and curry sympathy! Weak, fragile, afraid of their own shadow!

Kablooie

(18,612 posts)
129. They were handed a get out of jail free card and tossed it in the trash.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 06:48 AM
Aug 2020

They deserve no sympathy.
They did this to themselves and I hope it destroys every single one of them

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
130. They worked for themselves, not for the people who put them in the job.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 07:14 AM
Aug 2020

Do any of them even see it that way? Do any of them have a soul??

Hotler

(11,396 posts)
134. I call bullshit. These fuckers knew what they were doing. To use the power of the orange one's thumb
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 10:09 AM
Aug 2020

is no excuse for their behavior. Their number one goal all along is to own the liberals and hurt the Democrats.

calimary

(81,127 posts)
136. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 11:23 AM
Aug 2020

One of our favorite sayings around our house is - "YOU crawled into bed with him. Now he gets to fuck you."

I feel sorry for these short-sighted schmucks NOT ONE MOLECULE'S WORTH.

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