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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRashida Tlaib wins 2020 Michigan primary against Brenda Jones
Todd Spangler, Detroit Free Press
Updated 10:09 a.m. ET Aug. 5, 2020
U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Detroit, on Wednesday morning took a huge step toward winning reelection to a second term, beating Detroit City Council President Brenda Jones in the Democratic primary.
The Associated Press called the race for Tlaib in the Democratic primary for Michigan's 13th Congressional District shortly after 9:30 a.m. as Tlaib noticed a huge lead over Jones with 87% of the precincts counted.
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https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/05/michigan-primary-results-rashida-tlaib-brenda-jones/3297438001/
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)I think Nancy Pelosi's endorsement helped.
Mariana
(14,856 posts)among those who fervently wished for Rep. Tlaib to lose. The same kind of things were being said ahead of Rep. Ocasio-Cortez's primary, too, by the same people.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Kaleva
(36,294 posts)It's your right to feel that you know more then Nancy as to who a good Dem is and who is not.
Me.
(35,454 posts)So let me ask you, does she or does she not support the Democratic nominee for president as, btw, I sure Nancy would expect from a member of the House?
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)I bet you can't.
Democrats in her district clearly like her as shown by the margin of her win. Nancy endorsed her. Biden doesn't seem to have an issue with her. My guess is that you aren't a citizen of her district and I may be wrong here but i also think you didn't donate to Talib's opponent which would suggest the outcome of the election didn't mean much to you.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But you know that and are trying to distract from the issue. It's pretty simple, one expects the elected members of a party, who has rec'd election help from the party, to support the party and its candidate of choice. And throwing up all kinds of sidelines says you don't have a good answer, or any answer at all, of why she won't. And it's dishonest to try and make it about anyone but her.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)So far, it appears it's not as you haven't said if you donated to Talib's opponent or assisted in her campaign in anyway.
One can tell how much someone cares about something by the amount of effort they put it to dealing with it.
Granted, you have an opinion on the subject but that's pretty much about it and that's fine.
Me.
(35,454 posts)This is the most important election of our lives. Is she not aware how dire things are? Who would she support/endorse if not him? And why would I contribute to someone who isn't supporting our party? You can keep spouting the same nonsense that doesn't make a whit of sense. And so far you haven't answered the question I asked in the first place. if you can't tell me why she won't support our nominee, there must be a reason. And yes I do have an opinion, so what? I support our nominee and expect the same of all who insist they are Dems.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Otherwise, you would have done something to help Jones who did endorse Biden.
"Detroit city council president endorses Joe Biden for President"
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/04/29/detroit-city-council-president-endorses-joe-biden-for-president/
I agree that it is your opinion that a Dem running for office ought to openly endorse Biden but the discussion we are having is if you think such an action is important. So far, it appears that it isn't for you.
Me.
(35,454 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....not so much.
Same thing with not getting endorsements. Seems kind of contradictory.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Sorry, Kaleva that is not all that matters. Pelosi's endorsement was for the party and unity. Pelosi loves America and will do what she needs to keep us safe.
There was never a time that we needed this more. We have 160K dead Americans due to an insane man in the White House. By the time the election comes there will be 250-300K dead. Every Democrat should be standing together for Americans and our candidate, not principles. There has never been a time that we need unity more than today. Americans are asking...AM I NEXT?
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Or are you saying Pelosi wasn't truthful in what she said of Talib?
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rpannier
(24,329 posts)DenverJared
(457 posts)who refuses to endorse our nominee for POTUS and someone who boos a former first lady, a former senator and a former SOS.
I hope Ms. Tlaib gets on with the program fast or she will soon become persona non grata in a Democratic house full of moderate Democrats from the heartland.
We need unity STAT. We have never needed it more than we do today. 160K dead Americans need our support and heartfelt tears that so many of them died needlessly. This should never have been this bad.
The mass graves in NY broke my heart. Loved ones dying alone in hospitals. I can't even.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)My guess is that you didn't donate a single penny to Brenda Jone's campaign nor did you ever volunteer to work on her campaign. All of which signifies you didn't really care that Talib won. It's human nature to take some action when dealing with something one thinks to be important and it's also human nature to do nothing if thought to be of no interest or importance.
Celerity
(43,333 posts)is also very problematic. Its use was one of the few things I disagreed with Buttigieg (my preferred candidate before he dropped out, at which point I switched to Biden) over.
Mayor Pete: What are heartland values, and why do you need them to be president?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/30/mayor-pete-what-are-heartland-values-why-do-you-need-them-be-president/
As the Iowa caucuses approach (just four days away!), the pandering can become intense. And theres always a temptation to pander to a particular group by telling them that theyre just better than other people. Or, in a slight variation, that Im one of you, and were both better than other people. That idea, and its specific expression in the notion of the heartland, is getting Pete Buttigieg in a bit of trouble. Buttigieg tweeted this on Wednesday afternoon:
Link to tweet
Even though politicians have been lavishing praise on the heartland for decades, suddenly people werent having it. Prominent people of color such as Ava DuVernay, Post contributing columnist Michele Norris and Sherrilyn Ifill called attention to the way the term is usually used to denote not just the Midwest but a white, small-town vision of the Midwest. Uhhh... what? Shaping by the heartland is better? tweeted Soledad OBrien. Is that where all the Real Americans live? Is that the only place where American Values can be found? This is offensive and disgraceful. To be fair to Buttigieg, given the very visible problems he has had convincing non-white voters to support him, its unlikely he was consciously trying to send an exclusionary message. He released a statement saying; I understand that family, faith, freedom, patriotism arent owned by any one party or point of view, and neither is the American heartland." Buttigiegs statement continued: In my experience the heart of America is shaped by racially diverse voices including my hometown, which is 40 percent people of color. And while we are racially diverse across the Midwest, the values we hold arent exclusive to the middle of the country. So I guess the Midwest is just like everyplace else, which does make one wonder why we would need a president from there.
More than any other of the Democratic contenders, Buttigieg has been campaigning against Washington, this place that has supposedly failed us all. There are certainly plenty of things wrong with the federal government right now, but Id like to consider this idea, not as a bromide but as something real. Is the problem with Washington that it lacks enough of a heartland perspective? I could name you some pretty despicable Midwestern congresspeople and senators. And what exactly would the heartland perspective bring to Washington? Is there some way of policymaking or problem-solving or negotiation that is unique to the Midwest, and that the rest of us just havent heard about?
The truth is that whenever anyone talks about the virtues of the heartland as it relates to politics, it means nothing practical. Its just a way of establishing affinity, which is what Buttigieg is trying to do: You folks are from Iowa, Im from Indiana, so were the same kind of people, and you should vote for me. He isnt the only one; Amy Klobuchar said at one point that I think its important to have someone from the heartland on the ticket. We see this all the time in state and local races, where candidates tell voters, Congressman Cornpone has [insert our state] values. But State Senator Smith? Hes just not one of us. You see it all over, but with particular frequency in the South and Midwest. Heres a candidate touting Eastern North Carolina values. This one has Alabama values. Rand Pauls got Kentucky values. Here are some Nebraska values. This guy standing by bales of hay has Wyoming values. Arkansas values? You bet. Want some Oklahoma values? Here you go.
In those cases, the candidates are all from the same place, but the argument is that one of them (usually the Democrat) is actually alien, not part of our tribe.
And what exactly are those values that are supposed to be unique to one state? Its often not specified, but when it is, you hear things like Hard work. Faith. Helping out a neighbor in need. In other words, things you can find anywhere. And if you asked Buttigieg or Klobuchar what specifically they possess because theyre from the Midwest that a candidate from California or Massachusetts lacks, theyd probably hem and haw a little bit and try to change the subject. Thats because unlike some people who use this kind of language say, Sarah Palin they surely dont believe that virtue is in greater supply the farther you get from the coasts. They just want Iowans to feel connected to them. Nevertheless, the blowback Buttigieg is getting should be a lesson to everyone: People who come from the Northeast or the West, or who live in big cities, or who dont adhere to a stereotype of what the heartland is supposed to represent, are getting pretty tired of the implication that theyre somehow less American no matter who votes first in the primaries.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)What did Hillary do wrong? Does she think Hillary is a criminal? Doesn't she know Hillary's history? Is it the email thing, or what?
Polybius
(15,390 posts)n/t
Her platform included public option ACA with Medicare at 55, 15 dollar minimum wage, lower Pharma prices, had a universal basic income plan but couldn't make the numbers work so didn't include in her platform, etc. Most progressive platform in history.
Details. HOW was Hillary too far to the right?
Polybius
(15,390 posts)But I'm center-left. I personally view Hillary as a moderate liberal, which is a good thing to me. Obama was a little more to her left, as clearly seen in the 2008 primaries. Biden is about the same. Now Tlaib, she's extremely progressive, far to her left. Not attacking her for that, but just stating the facts.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)Since Hillary and Bernie Sanders voted 93% the same when they were both in the Senate, no, she wasn't too far to the right. A quick Google proves that Hillary was to the left of Obama. Tlaib "Extremely progressive"? How?
Polybius
(15,390 posts)But I vividly remember the 2008 campaign. Obama 100% ran to her left. As SOS, Hillary pushed Obama on a surge, getting Osama, Libyan intervention, etc. Obama also opposed the Iraqi war when he was a state senator. Hillary supported it.
Tlaib is very far to the left, one of the furthest in Congress. Much further than Bernie even. She also supports defunding the police, something Hillary would never do. Again, not saying thats a bad thing. I just prefer moderates like Biden and Hillary.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)had dealt with G.W. Bush, he'd been honest with her. He wasn't. She was a senator from New York, hit hard by the terrorist attack. And that was decades ago. It wasn't a vote for: Do you want to illegally invade Iraq? Yes or No. Ridiculous.
How was Obama 100% to her left? What is your proof? Hillary was SOS. How did she "push" the president? Did John Kerry "push" Obama? Are you saying President Obama was weak and did what others told him to do?
LOL
Polybius
(15,390 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:27 AM - Edit history (1)
Not faulting her, I begrudgingly supported that war too at the time, and then turned against it. Iraq also had nothing to do with 9/11, so not sure what the "terrorist" label was thrown for, not does being a Senator in "New York" matter. That was on Osama Bin Laden, not Saddam.
SOSs and VPs often give the President advice. Hillary did to Obama, as did Biden. Hillary consistently advised him on the issues I mentioned above, and Biden was the opposite. Obama listened to Hillary not because he was weak, but because he was strong. Shes highly respected and talented, and Obama realized it.
Ill give you proof when I get home (hate searching for links on this tiny phone), but Im not sure why its necessary. You are the first person Ive ever met on DU that doesnt think that Obama ran to Hillarys left in 2008. Quite frankly Im shocked how anyone would think this.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and chose her by a large majority suggests they see her in a very different light than as she's portrayed here. How often does anyone here mention good things she does in her district for her district?
Even her outside supporters are only jazzed by what they imagine are dissident positions such as "taking on" the Democratic Party, "talking truth to" Democratic leaders, denying that the @97 members of the Democratic House Progressive Caucus are progressive, and other such performances.
As for any ability to cause harm, the Trid will apparently once again become a Quad. BFD. Even if they do sometimes vote with Republicans against the positions of their own Progressive Caucus, we're unlikely to lose so many seats in November that it'll matter.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)People readily believe articles that support their world view and dismiss those sources, such as Newsweek, which cite polls showing Talib with a big lead over Jones.
"Polling Shows Rashida Tlaib With Blowout Lead as Michigan Primary Gets Underway"
https://www.newsweek.com/polls-show-rashida-tlaib-blowout-lead-michigan-primary-gets-underway-1522709
An earlier poll, conducted at the end of march and beginning of April, showed Tlaib with an almost double digit lead over Jones. Jones was never really in the race.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to win handily because of those antisemitic remarks. My husband's Jewish, and I really would have liked to seen seen more blow-back from her constituents. But it did cause me to read a bit to find out why she was still popular instead of just scraping through.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)If they wanted Tlaib, that would be fine by me. And if they elected Jones, I'd be fine with that too.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)if every time she performed for her outside donors it wasn't brought here. She's 1 of 235 in congress. If she ever wanted to develop more influence, she'd have to bring her ideology and behavior in line with more of her colleagues.
George II
(67,782 posts)93% came from other states including 30% from California and 10% each from New York and Florida.
George II
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JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)It looks like Tlaib's district, as currently configured, will be grossly under-counted in the 2020 census which ends in September.
And, Michigan should be redrawing district boundaries based on more neutral measurements. Tlaib's district is extensively gerrymandered by Republicans to cram as many Democrats into it as possible. This time, the primary is everything, the general election is pointless - Republicans may as well not run a candidate in that district. In 2022, it may be competitive.
Hopefully, 2022 will bring many more Democratic representatives from MI to Washington, but every one will need to work for the general election victory.