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Are Nina Turner and Cornell West planning to campaign against the Democratic Party? (Original Post) still_one Aug 2020 OP
Sounds like the juice-box revolutionaries are at it again. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2020 #1
I think so, and no doubt trying to vie for attention. Wonder why they don't just join the Green still_one Aug 2020 #5
It's on their FAQs page. lapucelle Aug 2020 #14
I didn't read that far into it, thanks for pointing it out still_one Aug 2020 #16
Of course that is what they do. Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #2
Yes they seem to think they are poised to Bev54 Aug 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author bluedye33139 Aug 2020 #4
Seems like they are. Here is the actual "press release" (not a press release): George II Aug 2020 #6
Yeah, things are bad. Where was Turner 4 years ago when Trump was on the ballot? bluedye33139 Aug 2020 #7
I struggle with some of my non-Democratic Party left-wing friends Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2020 #35
They don't talk about a plan because they don't have one Ex Lurker Aug 2020 #39
It's a shame they believed it when told both parties are corrupt and betsuni Aug 2020 #44
Really sad still_one Aug 2020 #9
Superdelegate SenatorNinaTurner wants to cast her superdelegate vote first. lapucelle Aug 2020 #19
Aw, Nina, remember that thanks to the rules changes you and Sanders demanded four years ago.... George II Aug 2020 #21
Can TikTok overload their site? LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #41
Superdelegate SenatorNinaTurner wants to start a new political party. lapucelle Aug 2020 #8
Disgusting still_one Aug 2020 #10
i agree with you and i will add this.... Nina is disgusting. should be ashamed of herself. trueblue2007 Aug 2020 #49
I lulz'd KG Aug 2020 #11
Of course they're grifters. Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #12
Why stop now? They've been running their oppo campaiign since 2016. Budi Aug 2020 #13
Since they're against everybody who isn't them Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2020 #36
I used to like Cornell West. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2020 #15
I never appreciated him not giving people a chance to talk during interview shows, but what turned still_one Aug 2020 #17
Have you ever watched that guys eyes. I use a quote from Law and Order SVU, "all I see is a lot of Blue_true Aug 2020 #26
Yes still_one Aug 2020 #29
I saw him in argument with Leo Tyrell, Tyrell was defending Trump which would make anyone mad but Raine Aug 2020 #38
I'm beginning to feel the same way. He should have stayed in the academic world. ancianita Aug 2020 #18
Agreed. Typical ivory-tower fuckhead. DinahMoeHum Aug 2020 #20
if they want to, feel free qazplm135 Aug 2020 #22
Same here. nt Blue_true Aug 2020 #27
They sort of seem like The Borg Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2020 #37
nah, the Borg were powerful qazplm135 Aug 2020 #40
There Must Be Money In It Somewhere For THem Me. Aug 2020 #23
I don't know what their net worth is now, but as we've seen it's not unheard of for a politician.... George II Aug 2020 #43
... betsuni Aug 2020 #46
Isn't that their default action? SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #24
They're both loons. NurseJackie Aug 2020 #25
Yep. Look at their eyes when they talk. nt Blue_true Aug 2020 #28
Don't they always? Hekate Aug 2020 #30
Somehow I can't imagine them running against the Republican Party. betsuni Aug 2020 #31
Of course they are GeorgiaPeanut Aug 2020 #32
Why? Do they want 4 more years of this shit? Initech Aug 2020 #33
Their document says qwlauren35 Aug 2020 #34
If anyone on MSNBC includes them for spots we all need to hammer the host allowing them to be on. LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #42
Who? Which is what 97.5% of Americans would say. GulfCoast66 Aug 2020 #45
The People's Party is still a meaningless vision... brooklynite Aug 2020 #47
It would expose them as Russian backed frauds... ecstatic Aug 2020 #48
Looks like it. Isn't Turner a Democratic Superdelegate? ehrnst Aug 2020 #50
I don't know about Turner, but I saw Cornell West on Anderson Cooper a few days ago still_one Aug 2020 #51
Self-help author Marianne Williamson and former Sen. Mike Gravel are working on this new party Gothmog Aug 2020 #52
Losers still_one Aug 2020 #53

lapucelle

(18,186 posts)
14. It's on their FAQs page.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:05 PM
Aug 2020
The Green Party’s name unfortunately leads many to view it as a niche environmental party that sidelines other pressing issues, like the cost of health care, housing and education. That means that fewer people identify with it and take the time to learn more. Legally it cannot change its name without starting the party over.

snip=======================================================

We bring professional political and organizational knowledge and skills from having worked on Democratic Party campaigns before setting out to build a major new people’s party. We also have the networks to bring over others who remain in the establishment parties. The early Republican Party succeeded because it drew over a large number of former Whig voters, elected officials, party officials. Having recently come from the Democratic Party helps us understand, communicate, and bring over other people and groups from the Democratic Party. It also gives us the personal connections to bring over elected officials and professional campaigners to help set up the party and run winning campaigns.

https://peoplesparty.org/faq/#other-parties

Bev54

(10,037 posts)
3. Yes they seem to think they are poised to
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:29 PM
Aug 2020

win congress and the WH in 2024. Good luck to them, can't say they don't think big. Can't stand either one of them

Response to still_one (Original post)

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Seems like they are. Here is the actual "press release" (not a press release):
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:37 PM
Aug 2020
SEN. NINA TURNER AND DR. CORNEL WEST TO KEYNOTE THE PEOPLE’S CONVENTION.

August 7, 2020

Detroit, MI — One week after the Democratic and Republican national conventions, Bernie 2020 National Co-Chair Sen. Nina Turner and Bernie 2020 surrogate Dr. Cornel West will join the Movement for a People’s Party to headline The People’s Convention. Turner will deliver a speech titled: Choice, Challenge and Change: The Necessity of a People’s Movement.

On Sunday, August 30, from 4-6 pm EST, thousands of Americans from all walks of life will gather to discuss the state of the nation at The People’s Convention. At the conclusion, participants will vote on forming a major new political party free of corporate money and influence.

The Convention will be digital and broadcast live on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter pages with well over a million followers, including The Jimmy Dore Show which will carry the convention to its nearly 800,000 subscribers on YouTube.

The convention will ask: “What kind of world do we want to build from the devastation of the pandemic and economic depression?”

It will feature speakers and a regional breakout session. There will be montages of the short, heartfelt videos recorded by hundreds of MPP’s 80,000 members across the country. Speakers will discuss plans to become the largest party in America in four years, including building local hubs and state parties, sending representatives to Congress in 2022, and winning the presidency in 2024.

Sen. Turner is the host of the Hello Somebody Podcast and former president of Our Revolution. She is a former Ohio State Senator and professor of African American history. Dr. Cornel West is the Professor of the Practice of Public Philosophy at Harvard University. He is the author of 20 books, a frequent commentator on CNN, and co-host of the Tight Rope Podcast.

“It looks as if the system cannot reform itself,” said West of the American political and economic system on CNN in May. “Yes we must vote the neofascist catastrophe out of the White House but the neoliberal disaster who enters the White House must be fought with a people’s movement and party,” he said, accepting the invitation to The People’s Convention.

Turner and West will be joined by political commentator Jimmy Dore, host of The Jimmy Dore Show and Comedy Central specials, and Ryan Knight, activist, Medicare for all advocate and host of the podcast “Amped Up.”

Also in attendance will be fellow Bernie 2020 leaders, including climate scientist and campaign surrogate Dr. Peter Kalmus. “Climate and ecological breakdown is a planetary emergency, but corporate influence over both parties has blocked action for decades. We need a party free from corporate corruption – a people’s party,” said Kalmus.

Former Bernie 2020 volunteer national high school director, and national coordinator with Students for a People’s Party, Amaya Wangeshi, will speak. “There is no more compromise, there is no more reform, we have to stop waiting. People are dying right now, people are facing injustice right now; I don’t believe in sacrificing millions of lives just so you can play politics,” said Wangeshi of the corporate parties. The 16-year old daughter of Kenyan immigrants is also the founder of Beyond Bernie and founding director of Our Time, Our Revolution’s student organization. “The world better get ready, change is coming, and it’s coming like you’ve never seen it before.”

Omar Fernandez, President of the American Postal Workers Union of Vermont, which has endorsed MPP, will speak about the labor movement’s need for a party for working people. Jerry Perez, field director with Our Revolution Los Angeles and a U.S. Marine who was deployed to the Iraq and Afghan wars will speak on behalf of Veterans for a People’s Party. Cuban-American Eynelys Vinson, the vice-chair of Our Revolution Los Angeles, will share how Democrats block progress even when they have full control of government, and why Latinos need a party that speaks for them.

The People’s Convention comes as more than 700 National Sanders Delegates have drawn the line with the Democratic Party, stating that they will vote against the party platform unless it includes Medicare for all. It also arrives as the DNC Rules Committee overwhelmingly voted to allow the party to accept corporate PAC money and permit corporate lobbyists to sit on the DNC.

The Convention also takes place in the middle of a raging pandemic and unprecedented cascading economic collapse. Two avoidable catastrophes that the Democrats and Republicans knowingly chose when they spent trillions of dollars bailing out Wall Street while giving insufficient relief to the tens of millions who lost their jobs.

As a result, child hunger is at record levels, breadlines are overwhelmed, five million people have lost their employer-based health insurance, and up to 28 million people face eviction. Forty percent of small businesses may close forever and 42 percent of jobs may never return. Conditions that were just made dramatically worse because Congress let expanded unemployment insurance benefits and an evictions moratorium on federally-backed properties expire.

“Four years from now, at the People’s Convention of 2024, when The People’s Party stands poised to win Congress and the White House, we will look back and celebrate this gathering as the moment that our nation turned the page on the Second Gilded Age. The moment that we took fate into our own hands. The moment that we gave rise to a new progressive era,” said Nick Brana, national coordinator with the Movement for a People’s Party. Brana was the national political outreach coordinator with Bernie 2016 and a founding staffer and former electoral manager with Our Revolution.

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Can't believe they're blaming DEMOCRATS along with republicans for the pandemic, too.

More:




On their Agenda is creating a new party, so as of August 30 they are NO LONGER DEMOCRATS:

AGENDA

The People’s Convention will discuss plans to build the largest party in America in the next four years, including building local hubs and state parties, sending representatives to Congress and local office in 2022, and winning the presidency in 2024. We will discuss why we must finish the political revolution in a major new people’s party and how we can do it.

The Convention will feature live speakers, recorded video montages and presentations, and a regional organizing breakout session.

We will broadcast video compilations of hundreds of people across the country sharing why they need a people’s party and how they are organizing to bring it to life.

At the conclusion of the Convention we will hold a historic vote on forming a major new corporate-free political party in America

Four years from now, at the People’s Convention of 2024, when The People’s Party stands poised to sweep Congress and the White House, we will look back and celebrate this gathering as the moment that our country turned the page on the Second Gilded Age. The moment that we took fate into our own hands. The moment that we gave rise to a new progressive era.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
7. Yeah, things are bad. Where was Turner 4 years ago when Trump was on the ballot?
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:40 PM
Aug 2020

The theory was always that by tearing America to shreds, a revolution would occur and would lift these fringe activists power. It seems somewhat illogical for them to complain about conditions that they worked so hard to bring about.

I'm pretty comfortable with progressive policy ideas, but I really think that attacking the Democratic Party is more important to these activists than promoting progressive values.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,391 posts)
35. I struggle with some of my non-Democratic Party left-wing friends
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:08 PM
Aug 2020

They keep saying that the current system is broken (and fair point, there's some truth to it) and that it just needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt root and branch, but they offer no roadmap to how this is actually done because they don't view actual political power to effect change as legitimate or available, so they just keep talking about "revolution", which to them mostly meaning to protest but also refuse to vote for the one progressive party in the country that has existed and can actually win major elections. No Democratic politician is ever good enough or pure enough for them, so they just take their balls and go home and then when Republicans win at the end of the day, they just tut-tut blame Democrats for nominating the "wrong" candidate(s). I don't get it.

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
39. They don't talk about a plan because they don't have one
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:19 PM
Aug 2020

The revolution will just happen organically. Nevermind that it has never once done so in history.

betsuni

(25,367 posts)
44. It's a shame they believed it when told both parties are corrupt and
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:21 PM
Aug 2020

that if the people just heard the message of economic equality (because Democrats have never mentioned it before or tried to do anything about it (LOL)), people will flock to protest and the revolution begins. Protesting in Kentucky will make Mitch McConnell suddenly do his job. Republican voters are just economically frustrated and when they hear The Message they will come around and vote in their economic interests.

Then some public figures blathered on about how the establishment and media and billionaires will stop at nothing to defeat them -- as they're on TV all the time repeating a laundry list of America's problems and ignoring the real causes -- easier to blame Democrats, act as if it was the 1930s when Democrats had the presidency, large majorities in the legislature, and a Republican Party still sane and able to be bipartisan. Acting as if Democrats could do something but they choose not to: "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop ____ ?" Taking small differences between policies and making it about morals and personality while insisting it's all about policy. Thinking universal health care means one particular politicians's policy and nothing else is, nobody thought of it before. It's nutty. People who encouraged this cynical and ignorant worldview should be ashamed of themselves.

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. Aw, Nina, remember that thanks to the rules changes you and Sanders demanded four years ago....
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:52 PM
Aug 2020

Last edited Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:32 PM - Edit history (2)

....there won't be any Super Delegates voting this year.

They only vote after the first ballot, but there will be only one ballot.

lapucelle

(18,186 posts)
8. Superdelegate SenatorNinaTurner wants to start a new political party.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:41 PM
Aug 2020
The Democratic party does not operate democratically. A small number of party leaders, insiders, lobbyists, and superdelegates hold the decision making power. The Democratic Party argued in open court it has a complete right — protected by the first amendment — to nominate whichever candidate it chooses and has no obligation whatsoever to abide by primary election results. Party lawyers argued that since all voters know the primary is rigged, there is no fraud.

After decades of relentless work at local, state, and national levels, it’s abundantly clear there is no internal mechanism for real change. In fact, the opposite is true. Enormous power comes to bear to prevent democratic change. The billionaires want their people

https://peoplesparty.org/faq/#democratic-reform

Has Superdelegate SenatorNinaTurner resigned from her membership in the DNC yet, or is she waiting to cast her superdelegate vote first?

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
13. Why stop now? They've been running their oppo campaiign since 2016.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:50 PM
Aug 2020

Best paying gig either one could have dreamed of getting!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,391 posts)
36. Since they're against everybody who isn't them
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:10 PM
Aug 2020

It's easy to find people to run against but nothing seems to inspire their anger and hatred more than the Democratic Party

BlueTsunami2018

(3,480 posts)
15. I used to like Cornell West.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:07 PM
Aug 2020

But he’s the most overeducated idiot there is. Either that or he’s just evil. I can’t stand him anymore.

still_one

(92,060 posts)
17. I never appreciated him not giving people a chance to talk during interview shows, but what turned
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:10 PM
Aug 2020

me against him was the outrageous racial slurs he used against President Obama

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. Have you ever watched that guys eyes. I use a quote from Law and Order SVU, "all I see is a lot of
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:38 PM
Aug 2020

crazy”.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
38. I saw him in argument with Leo Tyrell, Tyrell was defending Trump which would make anyone mad but
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:14 PM
Aug 2020

West went way beyond that, his eyes were crazy, he looked insane, spit was coming from his mouth. If they'd been in the same studio I swear West would've physically attacked Tyrell, he was actually scary. West really showed an ugly side of himself, ugh I can't stand the sight of him.

ancianita

(35,926 posts)
18. I'm beginning to feel the same way. He should have stayed in the academic world.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:12 PM
Aug 2020

He's not even got Sesame Street smarts.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
22. if they want to, feel free
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:17 PM
Aug 2020

I'd rather they are true to self and operate outside the Democratic Party than their recent forays into Democratic Party politics.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,391 posts)
37. They sort of seem like The Borg
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:12 PM
Aug 2020

Instead of trying to stand on their own merits and build their own party, they would rather attempt to assimilate the Democratic Party for their own purposes and then get mad and attack the Democratic Party when the Democratic Party doesn't do what they want them to do.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
40. nah, the Borg were powerful
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:34 PM
Aug 2020

they aren't. But again, there is nothing wrong with starting a new party. If they can get people behind them, more power to them. If not, then they will simply place themselves outside the power structure.

George II

(67,782 posts)
43. I don't know what their net worth is now, but as we've seen it's not unheard of for a politician....
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:04 PM
Aug 2020

....to become a millionaire merely by running for president.

betsuni

(25,367 posts)
31. Somehow I can't imagine them running against the Republican Party.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 09:28 PM
Aug 2020

Their whole thing is being anti-establishment, the establishment being the Democratic Party.

 

GeorgiaPeanut

(360 posts)
32. Of course they are
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 09:30 PM
Aug 2020

and so are many of the Democrats

Watch for the "squad" - two of its members have refused to endorse Joe Biden.

Many supporters of the main candidate who lost are not very enthusiastic either.

qwlauren35

(6,145 posts)
34. Their document says
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:03 PM
Aug 2020

that they will work to get Trump out of office in November.

To do that, they would have to vote for Biden.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
45. Who? Which is what 97.5% of Americans would say.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:37 PM
Aug 2020

I could give a shit.

They make their living try to get media attention. Ignore them.

ecstatic

(32,641 posts)
48. It would expose them as Russian backed frauds...
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:54 PM
Aug 2020

They were able to excuse away their behavior in 2016, but now?! With everything on the line, including our lives? At least 32,000 black people have died from covid-19 over the past few months, ffs!

still_one

(92,060 posts)
51. I don't know about Turner, but I saw Cornell West on Anderson Cooper a few days ago
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 11:14 AM
Aug 2020

The way he was rambling he sounded out of it, however, he actually said he would be voting for Biden/Harris this time in between his rambling

At the same time he was saying he part of a new political party that would go against the Democratic Party

He was kind of unhinged in that Anderson Cooper interview in my opinion.

Whether Turner is a Superdelegate or not, after her disgusting and disgraceful comments about voting for Biden, there is no way she is going to be given any airtime at the Democratic Convention, and has destroyed any standing within the Democratic party. Just as well that she is going off to a third party, because she is finished in the Democratic party


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