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Does Putin have a "Plan B"? (Original Post) Turbineguy Aug 2020 OP
It will take years to Bettie Aug 2020 #1
That's why they want us to vote in person because they can hack the vote. kimbutgar Aug 2020 #2
Putin's plan A is always to sow chaos. Mister Ed Aug 2020 #3
2024? SheltieLover Aug 2020 #4
We are reaching a Wellstone ruled Aug 2020 #5
If past is prologue, Putin does not give up a beachhead. Iterate Aug 2020 #6
Russians always have multiple plans. Reader Rabbit Aug 2020 #7
But so bad at running their own country. smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #8
Only for the proles. Reader Rabbit Aug 2020 #9
Kronsteen. PCIntern Aug 2020 #11
Yes Trenzalore Aug 2020 #10
He'll push the virus conspiracies - getting the gullible to reject masks and to disrupt anything muriel_volestrangler Aug 2020 #12
Just watch the seven Republican Senators who spent the Fourth of July in Moscow. Midnight Writer Aug 2020 #13
False rumours are already on social media calling out would-be "militia" members muriel_volestrangler Aug 2020 #14
It'll be more of the same BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #15

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
1. It will take years to
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:45 AM
Aug 2020

get our economy back on track and all the shit Agent Orange has dismantled working again.

Plan B is already in place. It is Republicans continuing to be on every screen in the country talking about how the economy is terrible and we have to impeach the newly elected president because it isn't fixed by the end of inauguration day.

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
2. That's why they want us to vote in person because they can hack the vote.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:46 AM
Aug 2020

Mail ins will be more difficult to affect because more people Who handle the ballots in custody care about the integrity of their jobs.

Mister Ed

(5,930 posts)
3. Putin's plan A is always to sow chaos.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:01 PM
Aug 2020

He makes himself stronger by making his rivals weaker. If re-electing Donald Trump will cause the greatest amount of chaos, division, and dysfunction in the U.S., then that's Putin's preference. Otherwise, he'll find ways to exploit Trump's defeat for those same purposes.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. We are reaching a
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:05 PM
Aug 2020

crescendo of Putin interference around the world. Interesting part of this is the Russian Siberia Region where Thousands have been in the streets protesting Putin because of the Lack Of Food and Basic Necessities.

Of Course our chicken-sh*t press will not report out just how bad living conditions are in the Russian Federation.

Got to chase the next shinny object the Orange Anus throws at them.

Germany seems to have this Sucker in Check at this time.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
6. If past is prologue, Putin does not give up a beachhead.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:33 PM
Aug 2020

Last edited Mon Aug 10, 2020, 02:38 AM - Edit history (1)

It's more helpful to think in terms of hybrid war, or even hybrid civil war. Convention thinking of win-lose, or capitulation, or even cross-border invasion are all obsolete. He'll easily give away a pawn who doesn't matter, like trump, but continue with influence by corruption, confusion, conspiracy theory, or any other tool.

As long as there's someone who says, "I don't know what to believe", he's on track.

For that reason I think it more likely that we'll see a continued trumpist faction, and perhaps a state or two which simply won't recognize federal authority.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,310 posts)
12. He'll push the virus conspiracies - getting the gullible to reject masks and to disrupt anything
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:29 PM
Aug 2020

like the Tea Party in 2009. McConnell (or his successor) will do anything to stop Biden getting anything through. Meanwhile, he'll put more into supporting the far right in Europe - which would include making sure no trade deal is done between the UK and EU.

Midnight Writer

(21,751 posts)
13. Just watch the seven Republican Senators who spent the Fourth of July in Moscow.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 03:29 PM
Aug 2020

They will act as the point of Putin's spear.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,310 posts)
14. False rumours are already on social media calling out would-be "militia" members
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 02:12 PM
Aug 2020

I'd bet Russian trolls are behind them. And they'll do it more, whatever the result:

I mention all of this because, as we get closer and closer to our own elections, which are gearing up to be one of the chewiest clusters of fck ever seen anyway—and that’s just because of the pandemic, and not the obvious ratfcking from the administration* and its enablers—I think it’s safe to say that the results in November already are in “dispute,” and that the infrastructure of crazy through which the dispute will be conducted is already in place. From the Weatherford Democrat:

Weatherford resident Curtis, who asked that his last name be withheld, was wearing full camouflage clothing and carrying a semi-automatic rifle. He served 10 years in the U.S. Marines and wanted to make sure his hometown was safe. “I’ve seen what’s going on around the world, like Minneapolis,” he said. “I don’t want that to come here to Texas. This is where we live and where we raise our families. We don’t want to see any of that violence and chaos. We’re not out here to incite any violence, we’re just here to let them know that the citizens don’t want them busting in from other places telling us how our city should run. it’s pretty much that simple.”

Something like 200 people showed up, many from out of town, and many of them armed to the teeth, to protect Weatherford from...something.

Curtis said he had seen a social media post that showed 15 charter buses that were parked at the Hudson Oaks Walmart that were departing and on the way, along with possibly others. “You can call it rumors all you want, but there’s people circulating pictures of it on a Facebook group,” he said. Which group? “I don’t know who it is, but they’re saying this is a KKK rally, which is probably the last thing it would be,” Curtis said. “I don’t think anyone here would condone that behavior.”

Sitting alone under a shade tree was Larry, who held a semi-automatic rifle and asked that his last name be withheld. He didn’t want his photo taken. “I heard the NFAC Militia was coming here,” he said, referring to a black militia group. “They haven’t been to Fort Worth yet. I thought if they were going to come here, the community here needed a show of force against another militia. That’s the Not [expletive deleted] Around Militia. They threaten law enforcement and all the people, and they carry guns.” Where had he seen the rumors that the group was coming? “Just coming across it on several pages I belong to,” he said.

Expect more of this, and in a hundred different places, as November beckons. I honestly don’t know what this country is going to look like by Christmas.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33561544/belarus-contested-election-trump-2020/

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
15. It'll be more of the same
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 02:25 PM
Aug 2020

If Trump loses the war will continue. He’ll continue to manipulate the endless supply of low info dolts we have in this country, and elsewhere. It’ll continue until someone figures out a way to punch Putin in the mouth without starting WW3.

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