"Anti" means "against". "Antifa" is short for "anti-fascism". Therefore, those who are

[Atticus]

"anti-Antifa" are against those who are against fascism, which means they are FOR fascism.

Is that clear?

[OAITW r.2.0]

1. I was in a grocery store checkout. The mask-less idiot behind me was having a Trump

discussion with another person he was with. "Antifa" was mentioned as a real threat to this country. I couldn't help myself and I turned to him and said...."you know who was the greatest Antifa general of all time? Dwight Eisenhower." He really didn't know what to say to that.

[Native]

3. He was probably too stupid to to even understand.

[smirkymonkey]

12. Good for you!

We should all carry little 3x5 cards or pamphlets around with us to educate these people when we hear them talk like this. They really don't know their asses from a hole in the ground. They all think demorcrat=communist=socialist=fascist=liberal=antifa, etc. They are all so ignorant and uneducated.

[Trumpocalypse]

15. D Day was anti-fascists

attacking white soldiers.

[MurrayDelph]

18. Antifa is

the right-wing's Emmanuel Goldstein.

[LiberalArkie]

2. Yep

[abqtommy]

4. Si! Oui! Da! Mucho claro, mi amigo...

[blm]

5. Stop saying antifa. Say anti-fascist every time

Stupid shortcut version gave GOP all the room it needed to mislabel the mission.

[Miguelito Loveless]

7. I have told folks

don't use "antifa", use anti-fascist. Whenever I hear some rightwing dillweed saying it, I correct them, and their arguments fall apart.

[Atticus]

8. I said "antifa" because that is what THEY say. I have heard/read "anti-Antifa". I have never

heard "anti-anti-fascist".

[Miguelito Loveless]

10. Ummm

I keep going back see if I wrote “anti-anti-fascist”, but am not seeing it.

I consider myself “anti-fascist” and see it as preferable to “antifa” because the right uses it to mean something other than “anti-fascist”. I have literally had wingers argue with me that “antifa” was NOT the same as “anti-fascist”

[Atticus]

13. I never said or even implied that you said that. I simply explained why I used the term

I did.

I will add that I don't like changing the clear meanings of terms simply because some wingnut insists on perverting them.

[Miguelito Loveless]

16. Apologies

I was confused by the post. The fault is mine. No disrepect intended.

[Atticus]

19. We're good. No problem at all. nt

[Crunchy Frog]

9. No.

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Antifa is a particular designation for a particular group of people (who may or may not actually exist), with a distinct political ideology and modus operandi.

It's kind of like how the word "antisemitism" is used to designate the hatred of Jews, even though Semites encompass a much larger group of people.

Trying to get our party and all people opposed to fascism identified with/as "antifa" is a losing proposition and a seriously bad idea IMO.

I consider myself to be anti-fascism.

[Miguelito Loveless]

11. Who in our party supports fascism?

Seriously, and why would we count them as part of us?

[Crunchy Frog]

14. Sorry, just corrected my post. Accidentally left some important words out.

I don't think anyone in our party supports fascism. I think there are probably a sizeable number outside our party who oppose fascism.

[Miguelito Loveless]

17. Ah,

thank you for the clarification.

My point is, words matter. We have done ourselves a disservice by shortening "anti-fascist" to "antifa". I had a co-worker ranting about them a few weeks ago, and I coolly asked him when it had become "wrong" to be anti-fascist. Last I checked, the United States had been virulently anti-fascist to the point of fighting a world war about it. He then tried to claim that antifa, did not mean anti-fascist, it was an "Arab word for terrorism". I then explained he was confusing "antifa" with "intifada", to which he responded, whatever, same thing.

This is the level of stupid we are dealing with, so words matter.

[robbob]

20. Ah, the classic "whatever, same thing" maneuver!

Do they have a name for that particular logical fallacy?

[Miguelito Loveless]

21. Probably "false equivalence"

But I think we should call it the "Whatever, same thing", because of the subtle difference.