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Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 02:45 PM Aug 2020

Retail Chains Abandon Manhattan: 'It's Unsustainable' (no office workers, no tourists)

For years, Bryant Park Grill & Cafe in Midtown Manhattan has been one of the country’s top-grossing restaurants, the star property in Ark Restaurants’ portfolio of 20 restaurants across the United States.

But what propelled it to the top has vanished.

The tourists are gone, the office towers surrounding it are largely empty and the restaurant’s 1,000-seat dining room is closed. Instead, dinner is cooked and served on its patio, and the scaled-down restaurant brings in about $12,000 a day — an 85 percent plunge in revenue, its chief executive said.

Five months into the pandemic, the drastic turn of events at businesses like Bryant Park Grill & Cafe that are part of national chains shows how the economic damage in New York has in many cases been far worse than elsewhere in the country.

In the heart of Manhattan, national chains including J.C. Penney, Kate Spade, Subway and Le Pain Quotidien have shuttered branches for good. Many other large brands, like Victoria’s Secret and the Gap, have their kept high-profile locations closed in Manhattan, while reopening in other states.

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Even as the city has contained the virus and slowly reopens, there are ominous signs that some national brands are starting to abandon New York. The city is home to many flagship stores, chains and high-profile restaurants that tolerated astronomical rents and other costs because of New York’s global cachet and the reliable onslaught of tourists and commuters.


A Uniqlo store on Fifth Avenue. Many businesses in Manhattan are struggling because of a lack of tourists and a relatively small number of office workers. Credit...Hiroko Masuike/The New York Times
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For four months, the Victoria’s Secret flagship store at Herald Square in Manhattan has been closed and not paying its $937,000 monthly rent. “It will be years before retail has even a chance of returning to New York City in its pre-Covid form,” the retailer’s parent company recently told its landlord in a legal document.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/nyregion/nyc-economy-chain-stores.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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Retail Chains Abandon Manhattan: 'It's Unsustainable' (no office workers, no tourists) (Original Post) Demovictory9 Aug 2020 OP
This trend will only accelerate if the govt does not extend UE benefits Yavin4 Aug 2020 #1
I don't think Trump and his Thugs comprehend this as they corner the wealth in the US. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2020 #6
I think that they do. They just don't care. Yavin4 Aug 2020 #14
Yeah, they want to create a dystopia. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2020 #24
Online shopping is going global lunatica Aug 2020 #17
A million dollars a month in rent to sell ladies underwear stopbush Aug 2020 #2
fancy pricey "ladies underwear" Demovictory9 Aug 2020 #3
I never understood how women would appreciate underwear as a gift from their Yavin4 Aug 2020 #15
Manhattan was sooo much more interesting before the chains marybourg Aug 2020 #4
Mom and pops can't afford the rent. Mosby Aug 2020 #9
I hope the former employees remember it was Trump who cost them their jobs. lpbk2713 Aug 2020 #5
It Manhattan fescuerescue Aug 2020 #11
Honestly, retail has been in trouble since Amazon took off. redstatebluegirl Aug 2020 #7
Retail was in trouble Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #12
High Rents Have Been Killing Retail For A Long Time Now Me. Aug 2020 #8
+1 Mosby Aug 2020 #10
I, for one, will not miss the cardboard cutout retail chains. dhol82 Aug 2020 #13
I have mixed feelings as well. Yavin4 Aug 2020 #16
I first noticed it in New Orleans about twenty years ago dhol82 Aug 2020 #18
I used to live near a Le Pain Quotidien restaurant, and I took a vacation to London. Yavin4 Aug 2020 #21
Well, at least the McDonalds in France serve wine. dhol82 Aug 2020 #22
Up until the early to mid 70s musette_sf Aug 2020 #19
Remember when Guy Fieri opened his place in the area? dhol82 Aug 2020 #23
Not Without My Olive Garden. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2020 #20

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
1. This trend will only accelerate if the govt does not extend UE benefits
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 02:48 PM
Aug 2020

or better yet some sort of UBI. Our entire economy is built around consumption. If consumption drops off, our economy will collapse and UE will only skyrocket.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
14. I think that they do. They just don't care.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 03:17 PM
Aug 2020

They know that they suppress any popular uprising among the people by scapegoating the "other", i.e. African Americans, Latinos, women, etc.

That's the whole purpose of the conservative media empire. Propagandize poor, working class Whites against everyone else.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
17. Online shopping is going global
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 03:27 PM
Aug 2020

In order to survive these stores need to go electronic.

This is just one of the ways our world will change. Delivery businesses are the way to go.

And eventually holographic shopping, meetings and tourism will fill the void left behind. We might even have holographic sports events.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
15. I never understood how women would appreciate underwear as a gift from their
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 03:19 PM
Aug 2020

significant others. But, I guess that I'm wrong. One of the main sources of Jeffrey Epstein's wealth came from Victoria's Secret.

marybourg

(12,622 posts)
4. Manhattan was sooo much more interesting before the chains
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 02:51 PM
Aug 2020

came in. Of course I hate to see anyone lose their job. . .

Mosby

(16,304 posts)
9. Mom and pops can't afford the rent.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 02:56 PM
Aug 2020

thats the real issue.

Commercial real estate sharks know how to set the rent right above the break even points.

But when something bad happens....

lpbk2713

(42,754 posts)
5. I hope the former employees remember it was Trump who cost them their jobs.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 02:52 PM
Aug 2020


And I hope they're pissed enough to get out and vote in November.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
7. Honestly, retail has been in trouble since Amazon took off.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 02:54 PM
Aug 2020

Trump and covid 19 finished it off. I will truly miss going to a store and selecting my clothes, my cooking and kitchen things. I hate buying online, always have. I stopped using Amazon a couple of years ago because I think he is killing mainstreet.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
12. Retail was in trouble
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 03:10 PM
Aug 2020

long, long before Amazon arrived on the scene. This has been brewing since the 1980s and it is now time to pay the piper.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
8. High Rents Have Been Killing Retail For A Long Time Now
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 02:54 PM
Aug 2020

The pandemic is just the final nail. Half the shops on Columbus Ave. which used to be the place to be are now closed. A small restaurant can no longer make it. Greed kills.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
13. I, for one, will not miss the cardboard cutout retail chains.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 03:12 PM
Aug 2020

However, not sure how low rents can go for the mom and pops to re-establish themselves.
Major problem for NYC is this loss of the tax base. The government does not appear to be in any hurry to help any liberal cities through this mess.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
16. I have mixed feelings as well.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 03:22 PM
Aug 2020

When I travel abroad, I hate to see global retail chains. It's like I never left. London was a big disappointment for me on this. Brands every where.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
18. I first noticed it in New Orleans about twenty years ago
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 03:39 PM
Aug 2020

We had family down there and went often to visit.
I remember walking through Riverwalk (big mall by the river) and thinking to myself how most of the stores were just general vanilla that you see in every mall in the country. Other areas of NOLA had a much more diverse, quirky representation. Thought it was sad.
Like you, I have now noticed the same thing going on abroad. I was in Budapest, traveling with a friend, when she had to go Starbucks for a coffee! Here we were in the premier city for coffee culture and she had to go to freaking Starbucks. Pathetic.
I guess it’s the future. Just not a very interesting one.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
21. I used to live near a Le Pain Quotidien restaurant, and I took a vacation to London.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 04:09 PM
Aug 2020

Next door to my hotel? A Le Pain Quotidien.

I felt like I flew in a circle. Later that day, there was a huge line outside of a Chipotle restaurant.

musette_sf

(10,200 posts)
19. Up until the early to mid 70s
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 03:42 PM
Aug 2020

there were very few national chain restaurants in NYC proper. When the Olive Garden opened in Times Square, I longed for some event that would make the chain dreck purveyors go away. So maybe not so bad re the chain restaurants.

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