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AOC FTW! (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 OP
Such class and authenticity. cayugafalls Aug 2020 #1
+1 mountain grammy Aug 2020 #21
CNN: "Ocasio-Cortez among high-profile Latinos participating in Dem. convention" Hortensis Aug 2020 #62
... cayugafalls Aug 2020 #80
And why BGBD Aug 2020 #2
Mark my words; AOC will be... JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 #4
She'll turn 35 (the minimum age to be President) Upthevibe Aug 2020 #31
But she would be inaugurated on... JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 #32
She makes it by 99 days. The election date is irrelevant, the key is 35yo by Jan. 20th, 2025 Celerity Aug 2020 #41
Biden was elected Senator about a month before his 30th birthday, but he was 30 by January 1. George II Aug 2020 #66
Much more likely BGBD Aug 2020 #33
:) Much more. Hortensis Aug 2020 #60
We'll either have gotten control of the insanity by 2024 Hortensis Aug 2020 #59
Prophecies are bemusing as such, but do not rise to the standard of being marked. LanternWaste Aug 2020 #119
I didn't see that she 'expected' a thing. babylonsister Aug 2020 #8
When she runs as a Governor or Senator, that will determine her popularity still_one Aug 2020 #10
Yes. They have to appeal to electorates of entire states, Hortensis Aug 2020 #61
Please provide evidence that AOC's 14CD is gerrymandered. Voltaire2 Aug 2020 #114
The U.S. has 425 congressional districts. If you are curious Hortensis Aug 2020 #117
Ah so you are going to walk back your Voltaire2 Aug 2020 #124
NYS is not the monolith that some might imagine. lapucelle Aug 2020 #63
That is the same with California also. We have had our share of republican governors still_one Aug 2020 #82
Gavin Newsom just got a speaking spot on the last night of the convention. lapucelle Aug 2020 #84
Post removed Post removed Aug 2020 #34
It's fascinating that she responded to the issue with a unifying poem. JudyM Aug 2020 #112
Like it or not, she's more than just "a freshman congressperson," AleksS Aug 2020 #11
+... JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 #15
Yeah, she IS cool! PatrickforO Aug 2020 #45
Is "celebrity" what we look for in our lawmakers? George II Aug 2020 #75
I prefer to judge politicians by their legislative accomplishments and... NurseJackie Aug 2020 #79
THIS. octoberlib Aug 2020 #100
I also like politicians like that. AleksS Aug 2020 #105
No. octoberlib Aug 2020 #98
No, but it is what we look for in AleksS Aug 2020 #99
Doesn't hurt Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #102
Celebrity is not enough. We have a POTUS who was a reality show host. Malmsy Aug 2020 #88
I appear to have missed where AOC was the nominee for president? AleksS Aug 2020 #104
My post was responding to the mistake of equating celebrity with political acumen. Malmsy Aug 2020 #125
It worked out for President Obama. n/t justgamma Aug 2020 #26
Barack Obama was a primetime speaker giving the keynote address in 2004, lapucelle Aug 2020 #65
No kidding! And that goes for freshman senators too. progressoid Aug 2020 #29
That was a keynote address, not a speaking slot. ehrnst Aug 2020 #89
Who said anything about boycotting? progressoid Aug 2020 #93
Ahem... I pointed out that no one has. ehrnst Aug 2020 #96
Someone who had also served in Congress. ehrnst Aug 2020 #111
Wherever did you get the idea that she expected to speak? nt. Mariana Aug 2020 #37
She indicated disappointment in the time limit she got, rather than surprised and grateful for ehrnst Aug 2020 #90
I think it's really reaching to read her post of Dr. Mays' poem that way. Mariana Aug 2020 #97
Some always see negative... tonedevil Aug 2020 #103
Absurdity is projecting onto someone superhuman traits not there, ehrnst Aug 2020 #109
How very zen. /nt tonedevil Aug 2020 #113
Thank you. /nt ehrnst Aug 2020 #116
I'm reminded of all the praise and adoration of Aung San Suu Kyi ehrnst Aug 2020 #120
I'm completely impressed... tonedevil Aug 2020 #122
Flattery will get you nowhere. ehrnst Aug 2020 #123
I was reading her tweet. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2020 #110
I don't think she's complaining. Renew Deal Aug 2020 #38
A freshman "star" Senator FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #39
He had a much stronger resume. murielm99 Aug 2020 #47
I don't discount either of their backgrounds. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #49
She is overrated. murielm99 Aug 2020 #52
They both worked hard, FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #53
We will have to disagree. murielm99 Aug 2020 #55
Well, not so much... ehrnst Aug 2020 #106
+1000. And a known speaker with few equals. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2020 #91
because she was already listed as speaking at the convention and given time by Biden himself Celerity Aug 2020 #42
How did a young woman who had limited experience face off several of the PatrickforO Aug 2020 #43
Does she represent her constituents? murielm99 Aug 2020 #95
OMG...this is becoming laughable! demmiblue Aug 2020 #101
What do you mean? murielm99 Aug 2020 #107
Oh, you do you... demmiblue Aug 2020 #108
Same Arazi Aug 2020 #118
maybe there could be a primary so the people of the 14th CD could decide this question Voltaire2 Aug 2020 #115
Our National convention is going to be one for the Ages! flying_wahini Aug 2020 #3
You go girl! 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2020 #5
Can't wait to hear how she uses it! K/R nt Alex4Martinez Aug 2020 #6
Just one minute, that's kind of bullshit DNC! TheBlackAdder Aug 2020 #7
Agree! nt babylonsister Aug 2020 #9
I would think AOC would be a perfect... JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 #12
Are Sen Harris and Rep Ocasio-Cortez that close? still_one Aug 2020 #16
I would suspect closer than some might spell the name of the next... JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 #17
You are the clever one. I am typing on my phone and it was typo. She is my Senator still_one Aug 2020 #24
Please listen... JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 #27
I hope so still_one Aug 2020 #28
They're not. She didn't even congratulate Kamala octoberlib Aug 2020 #73
interesting still_one Aug 2020 #81
Keynote speaker for a person? Isn't that reserved for a Convention or meeting of some kind? George II Aug 2020 #78
Speaker Pelosi, Secretary Clinton, and President Obama will be speaking before Harris that night. lapucelle Aug 2020 #83
It was kind of bullshit for someone to say in any other country Joe Biden and me wouldn't be in the still_one Aug 2020 #14
You do realize she was talking about countries with more than two major parties, right? Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2020 #22
That is a lame excuse for a backhanded insult against Biden. This isn't another county still_one Aug 2020 #30
So? FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #40
You do seem quite determined to dislike her. I'm sorry for that, because PatrickforO Aug 2020 #44
Rep Ocasio-Cortez has made it clear that she believes the Democratic Party has too big of a tent still_one Aug 2020 #46
She might surprise you. I mean, look at Obama - arguably the best president in my PatrickforO Aug 2020 #48
+1.000.000 FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #50
That is why I said I would like to see how she would do as a Senator or Governor because those are still_one Aug 2020 #51
Yes, I agree. I'm glad Biden is doing that with the climate change task force. PatrickforO Aug 2020 #68
Obama was a community organizer Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #58
OK well I stand corrected. However, my point still stands. O was very inexperienced PatrickforO Aug 2020 #70
He had experience in both Congress and the Senate Malmsy Aug 2020 #87
Don't dislike AOC. And I don't think a big tent is a bad thing. stopdiggin Aug 2020 #56
She can be brash, for sure. PatrickforO Aug 2020 #71
And combative with fact checkers. That doesn't help her at all. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2020 #92
That's an interesting article from HuffPo's trend reporter, lapucelle Aug 2020 #67
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Aug 2020 #13
AOC is great greblach Aug 2020 #18
Is AOC the only person who gets one minute or are there others? KS Toronado Aug 2020 #19
She's the only first-term congressperson to get one minute. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2020 #69
Many long term congress people get zero as well. George II Aug 2020 #76
Right. So, being given "one minute" is not a slap, not disrespectful, not a put-down. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2020 #85
Yes, indeed. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2020 #94
I thought this would be her tweet congratulating Kamala. R B Garr Aug 2020 #20
Listen to her 60 seconds. It will be... JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 #25
You didn't miss it because she didn't make one. octoberlib Aug 2020 #74
Really? Well now. George II Aug 2020 #86
Fantastic! FM123 Aug 2020 #23
As well as an environmental justice bill! burrowowl Aug 2020 #36
+1000 Celerity Aug 2020 #57
Bernie Sanders should give his time to AOC JI7 Aug 2020 #35
And miss an opportunity to address the nation? No way! nt JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2020 #72
If he believes that AOC is the future, perhaps offering some of his time would ehrnst Aug 2020 #121
Thanks Mom aeromanKC Aug 2020 #54
Oh sweet Jesus North Shore Chicago Aug 2020 #64
The best part is AOC's 2nd grade teacher showing up. (link here) apnu Aug 2020 #77

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
62. CNN: "Ocasio-Cortez among high-profile Latinos participating in Dem. convention"
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:09 AM
Aug 2020
Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, the progressive first-term lawmaker, is one of several high-profile Latinos slated to participate in the Democratic National Convention next week.

Ocasio-Cortez, an early endorser of Bernie Sanders' presidential bid, will be part of a segment nominating the senator from Vermont at the convention on Tuesday night, the officials said, and she also will be featured in a video airing on Wednesday. The congresswoman's participation further highlights the Biden campaign's efforts to bring the progressive wing of the party into the fold.

New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro will also have roles in next week's event, Democratic officials tell CNN. While the exact schedule is still being finalized, the lineup comes as the party seeks to highlight the diversity of its members and supporters as Joe Biden officially becomes its presidential nominee.

Gov. Lujan Grisham and Sen. Cortez Masto, who were among the early names mentioned as possible contenders for the Democratic vice presidential nomination, will have individual speaking slots at the convention along with California Secretary of State Alex Padilla, who endorsed Biden during the primaries.

Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, who delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2012, will be part of a segment featuring former 2020 presidential candidates.

Several Latino elected officials who endorsed Biden during the primary will also have roles in the convention -- Nevada state Sen. Yvanna Cancela, Long Beach, California, Mayor Robert Garcia and Texas state Rep. Victoria Neave.

"Latinos are an integral part of the fabric of this nation, which is why we are making significant efforts to ensure Latino voices and experiences are highlighted throughout the Democratic National Convention," said Julie Chávez Rodriguez, a senior adviser to the Biden campaign.

Her classy and authentic tweet might have mentioned how honored she is to be a speaker among such distinguished company. We have many fine, honorable Hispanic members of congress, of course. Ocasio-Cortez's supporters should be pleased that she's been given speaking time because it's all about them.
 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
2. And why
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:05 PM
Aug 2020

does a freshman congressperson expect that she should be given ANY time to speak at the convention?

Upthevibe

(8,038 posts)
31. She'll turn 35 (the minimum age to be President)
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:58 PM
Aug 2020

less than one month before the election that year,. It will be November 5th, 2024- AOC turns 35 on October 10, 2024....

Celerity

(43,328 posts)
41. She makes it by 99 days. The election date is irrelevant, the key is 35yo by Jan. 20th, 2025
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 12:58 AM
Aug 2020

when she would be sworn in.

Buttigieg was born January 19th, 1982, so technically he could have run in 2016 and made it by one day.

Biden (born November 20, 1942) turned 30 after his first Senate election in 1972, but before January 3rd, when Congress is sworn in.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
59. We'll either have gotten control of the insanity by 2024
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:50 AM
Aug 2020

or Ocasio-Cortez would have to join the ruling RW cabal and start there if she wanted to stay in politics without risking prison.

Let's face it, the little LW class-warfare revolution isn't even a player as RW authoritarianism surges. With the way the RW's purging women from power, though, I wouldn't hold out much hope for her chances of matching her current position, much less bettering it.

babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
8. I didn't see that she 'expected' a thing.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:12 PM
Aug 2020

She sounds grateful.

And she is very popular and smart as a whip. I wish she had more time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
61. Yes. They have to appeal to electorates of entire states,
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:58 AM
Aug 2020

not just voters in one, typically gerrymandered congressional district.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
117. The U.S. has 425 congressional districts. If you are curious
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:56 PM
Aug 2020

about her particular district, by all means look it up.

The point is that ALL candidates for the senate have to appeal to a much, much, much broader range of voters, or they won't get elected. Upper NY is famously conservative, for instance.

At this point, it may be unpleasant to admit it, but she's really a niche product. Among 235 Democrats, her "quad" is currently a trid as Ayanna Pressley quietly mostly disassociated; in the new year it will once again presumably be a quad, and who knows, maybe even a quid.

If Ms. Ocasio-Cortez wanted someday to run for the senate in NY, she would have to become more of a Schumer or a Clinton. She's already joined the roughly 100-strong Democratic House Progressive Caucus that Sanders (before) and the Only True Progressives claim doesn't exist and is corrupt anyway. And now she's one of them, even if she doesn't talk about it to her non-constituent donor base. So...we'll see.

Voltaire2

(13,015 posts)
124. Ah so you are going to walk back your
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:51 PM
Aug 2020

insinuation that Ocasio-Cortez represents a Gerrymandered district.

Well done.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
63. NYS is not the monolith that some might imagine.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:50 AM
Aug 2020

We've sent Republicans to both the senate and to the statehouse, and they served very long terms.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
84. Gavin Newsom just got a speaking spot on the last night of the convention.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:19 AM
Aug 2020
Newsom scored a prime spot in the lineup Thursday night, the final session of the four-day convention, when presumptive nominee Joe Biden will deliver his acceptance speech. Pelosi, D-San Francisco, will speak Wednesday evening, before Harris accepts the nomination for vice president.

snip==================================================================================

In addition to Pelosi and Harris, a former San Francisco district attorney, Wednesday will feature 2016 presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama. The night, titled “A More Perfect Union,” will focus on what a post-President Trump future would look like.

Biden will speak Thursday night, and the focus will be on what he offers as a candidate. Besides Newsom, speakers will include Biden’s family and former 2020 presidential candidates Sen. Cory Booker and Pete Buttigieg.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-Kamala-Harris-Nancy-Pelosi-get-15475215.php

Response to babylonsister (Reply #8)

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
112. It's fascinating that she responded to the issue with a unifying poem.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:18 PM
Aug 2020

When I read that she’d only been granted a minute I thought she’ll do great if she thinks like a poet. She is way ahead of most of us.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
11. Like it or not, she's more than just "a freshman congressperson,"
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:24 PM
Aug 2020

She's parlayed her position into a level of celebrity and is certainly more influential than the average congressperson--even veterans.

In fact, I'd wager more people could name AOC than could name more than 1-2 veteran congresspeople from their own state.

She sets right-wingers heads on fire like virtually no one else. That fact ALONE could have justified more AOC time at the convention.

She motivates people, brings "cool" to the convention, and drives right-wingers crazy. In addition to all that, she ALSO happens to be a freshman congressperson. Glad she gets a minute, wouldn't have thought it inappropriate for her to have more time either.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
45. Yeah, she IS cool!
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:08 AM
Aug 2020

I loved that dance vid with her college buddies. That was cool, and the GOP tried to use it against her. Remember how bad that backfired on them?

And her speaking truth to power, how she handles herself on the floor - those are inspiring. A great future has AOC.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
79. I prefer to judge politicians by their legislative accomplishments and...
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:30 AM
Aug 2020

... the difference they're able to make in the lives of their constituents. Sharice Davids is a fine example of someone who spends much of her time at home, listening to her constituents, and working for them... being available for them... and improving their lives. She's one of the most impressive congressional freshmen I've seen. She's all about the work... she's about results. She doesn't need fame or celebrity or limelight. The thanks she gets from her constituents is enough for her. I like politicians like that.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
105. I also like politicians like that.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 02:02 PM
Aug 2020

I however like convention speakers to be exciting, motivational, enthusiastic, fired-up, popular, and yes, “celebrity.”

I also don’t have a problem with a politician ALSO being a celebrity if they’re also doing the job for their constituents. Which the constituents can decide by re-electing or not re-electing their representatives. It’s not an either-or scenario.

Ambition is not a bad thing. Women especially are targeted as being “too ambitious” far too often. I remember when the same criticism was levied against HRC when she was First Lady. And against Kamala Harris, and against basically every woman who’s self-promoted. We need ambitious women. It’s not a bad thing.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
99. No, but it is what we look for in
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:41 PM
Aug 2020

People we want to energize voters, drive turnout, and motivate our people.

I wasn’t aware laws were being made at the DNC? I was under the impression it’s a Democratic National Convention whose purpose is to motivate and drive enthusiasm among democratic voters.

I’ll go rewatch my schoolhouse rock video on “How a bill becomes a law” and see if I missed the part about speaking opportunities at the national party conventions.

Malmsy

(297 posts)
88. Celebrity is not enough. We have a POTUS who was a reality show host.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:24 PM
Aug 2020
She sets right-wingers heads on fire like virtually no one else. That fact ALONE could have justified more AOC time at the convention.


Speaker Pelosi was considered a bad choice by many on DU for Speaker for that very reason.

She is a freshman congressperson. Whatever reason she's been given that length of time, that's what she has accepted.

Others are free to give up some of their time to give her, I would imagine.

It's not like the Convention is the only place she has a mic. I don't think that giving her a longer time is going to make anyone who doesn't think conventions are "cool" to change their mind.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
104. I appear to have missed where AOC was the nominee for president?
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:49 PM
Aug 2020

I thought that was Joe Biden this year?

I thought this was about a speaking role at the DNC? A chance to hype and drive enthusiasm?

She’s got a minute. Which is fine, but certainly, as a firebrand, energetic, well known, “cool,” diverse, female, Latina face of the Democratic Party, a compelling case could certainly have been made to give her more time. I certainly wouldn’t have argued against giving her more time.

Malmsy

(297 posts)
125. My post was responding to the mistake of equating celebrity with political acumen.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 07:55 AM
Aug 2020

I gave a very relevant example of how disastrous that is.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
65. Barack Obama was a primetime speaker giving the keynote address in 2004,
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:56 AM
Aug 2020

not one of a group all of whom were allotted one minute.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
89. That was a keynote address, not a speaking slot.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:26 PM
Aug 2020


I don't see AOC boycotting the gig out of outrage.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
96. Ahem... I pointed out that no one has.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:37 PM
Aug 2020

She has declined debates with primary challengers.

She has not declined an opportunity to speak even if it's for one minute at the convention. She apparently feels that it's worth it, even if it's not as long as she wanted.





 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
111. Someone who had also served in Congress.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 02:51 PM
Aug 2020

And was an unparalleled speaker, even then - which is why he was given a keynote address.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
90. She indicated disappointment in the time limit she got, rather than surprised and grateful for
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:28 PM
Aug 2020

the invitation.

So it appears that she had expectations of more.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
97. I think it's really reaching to read her post of Dr. Mays' poem that way.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:39 PM
Aug 2020

Do you think when Dr. Mays wrote it, he was expressing disappointment and ingratitude?

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
103. Some always see negative...
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:48 PM
Aug 2020

when it come to Representative Ocasio-Cortez. Frequently to the point of absurdity.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
109. Absurdity is projecting onto someone superhuman traits not there,
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 02:48 PM
Aug 2020

despite one's need to see them.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
120. I'm reminded of all the praise and adoration of Aung San Suu Kyi
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:46 PM
Aug 2020

because of what she stood for and said, but when she was tested in executive leadership, something else altogether became apparent.

No, I am not comparing AOC and Aung San Suu Kyi, but pointing out that sometimes exceptional hype and celebrity for someone who is just becoming known may become a exceptional disappointment when the demands of higher office become reality.

I remember being at Bill Clinton's inauguration with all of the hope and excitement after 12 years of Reagan and GHWB, and thinking, "This is an awful lot of expectation and adoration being heaped on him. If he makes one mistake, it will be pounced on by his enemies, and the disappointment will be outsized. Let's hope hubris this could inspire doesn't trip him up and make him feel invincible."

The fall from the pedestal is usually particularly vilified in women.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
122. I'm completely impressed...
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:51 PM
Aug 2020

with the depth and prescience you bring to every discussion. Now that I know how amazing you are i will want to pay rapt attention to your evey opinion. Or something.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
39. A freshman "star" Senator
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 12:46 AM
Aug 2020

from Illinois gave the keynote at a Democratic convention. That worked out well, don't you think?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
49. I don't discount either of their backgrounds.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:32 AM
Aug 2020

There's nothing wrong with coming from a working-class background, holding low-paying jobs, and becoming a success.

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
52. She is overrated.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:37 AM
Aug 2020

She grandstands. Obama worked hard. He did not seek publicity for himself. I find it insulting to Obama to compare the two of them in any way.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
53. They both worked hard,
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:42 AM
Aug 2020

in different ways. It's not an insult to think she might emulate the success and competence of someone like Obama. AOC has proved herself in the last two years, she's also more than just a "freshman" or "celebrity".

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
55. We will have to disagree.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:46 AM
Aug 2020

Anyway, I would rather spend my time working to GOTV and flip a few seats. I am done arguing about someone I whose actions I don't care for.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
106. Well, not so much...
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 02:05 PM
Aug 2020

AOC's parents bought a home in an affluent suburb in Westchester county, Yorktown Heights, from the time she was school aged, because they wanted a better public school education than she would get if she grew up in the Bronx. Her father owned a business, and when she was in college he died, and that's when the real struggle with money for her family started.

The bartending job was a second job to help out with extra money for her mother's bills while the estate was in probate, while being the Educational Director at at the National Hispanic Institute, which is a professional, not a working class, low paying job. She graduated from Boston University. The "bartender from the Bronx to congresswoman" narrative makes for great campaigning, but it has it's own pitfalls, because there are who dismiss her as "a bartender," then she gets irritated and then brings up the rest of her resume. When one campaign on that, one needs to expect that it could come back and bite them.

Obama was also not from a working class background. His mother was highly educated, and he lived with his grandparents - with his grandmother being the vice-president of a local bank, going to a very prestigious prep school on scholarship from the time he was 10. And no, he didn't take working class low income jobs like bartending, even between undergrad and law school. He never claimed to be from the working class or have taken low paying jobs - his career identity was a "Community Organizer" because that's was his day job, his vocation.

Someone who truly grew up in a Bronx working class background, held low paying jobs and made it to Congress was Alan Grayson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Grayson#Early_life_and_education

I have a master's degree, but worked in various restaurants and temp jobs out of school, because I took out loans. I would never state that my carreer identity was "a waitress" if I was to run for office at that time. I would say that I had worked low paying jobs, and know what it's like, but would never call myself working class, because I have an advanced degree, as do both my parents.

I would also not say that I was 'from' somewhere that I had not lived since I was five years old.



Celerity

(43,328 posts)
42. because she was already listed as speaking at the convention and given time by Biden himself
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:00 AM
Aug 2020

now you know

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
43. How did a young woman who had limited experience face off several of the
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:01 AM
Aug 2020

biggest mortgage servicing companies back in 2012 and get an $18 billion settlement for CA after walking away from a smaller offer.

That was Kamala Harris who did that. What made a young, fresh, inexperienced Attorney General decide she could do that?

AOC might be a freshman but she has great personal power that is based in morality and she has charisma. She will go far. You might not like her, but she does represent her constituents, and I'm thinking the Millennials are now telling the older members of Congress who are telling them to shut up for a few terms to stuff it because they want to be heard now.

Maybe we Boomers ought to have done that, too.

Voltaire2

(13,015 posts)
115. maybe there could be a primary so the people of the 14th CD could decide this question
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:54 PM
Aug 2020

Oh wait....

still_one

(92,144 posts)
24. You are the clever one. I am typing on my phone and it was typo. She is my Senator
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:39 PM
Aug 2020

and she has plenty of life long friends from the Bay Area from the SF days who would be more appropriate for a keynote speaker for Sen Harris

I notice in your profile you are still undecided

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
73. They're not. She didn't even congratulate Kamala
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 09:25 AM
Aug 2020

on her win. Oh , retweeted Sanders but Omar and Tlaib tweeted their own statements.

still_one

(92,144 posts)
14. It was kind of bullshit for someone to say in any other country Joe Biden and me wouldn't be in the
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:24 PM
Aug 2020

party either

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,917 posts)
22. You do realize she was talking about countries with more than two major parties, right?
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:37 PM
Aug 2020

Where there are at least a couple liberal parties and a couple conservative and some special interest parties? She would be in the more liberal/progressive party and Biden would be a little more to the center liberal party. Why is that a bad thing to say? It's true.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
40. So?
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 12:49 AM
Aug 2020

It was no insult, no matter how much some might wish it were. Just the fact that was pointed out, which some want to ignore.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
44. You do seem quite determined to dislike her. I'm sorry for that, because
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:05 AM
Aug 2020

this party is supposed to be a big tent.

The reason I like her is she has personal power, charisma and guts. The thing that totally impressed me is she said she was going to do the right thing, and if she was defeated after one term, so what?

Got to admire political courage, you know. And young ones who show it should be encouraged, not squashed.

still_one

(92,144 posts)
46. Rep Ocasio-Cortez has made it clear that she believes the Democratic Party has too big of a tent
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:09 AM
Aug 2020

That isn’t my statement, but hers.

What I would like to see is how she does in a statewide, or national election, such as governor or senator.

As for you comment that I seem to dislike her, no, I don’t dislike her. I don’t agree with her approaches on some things though

However, I am glad she is in the House to go after the nazi in Ga 14th district which unfortunately I suspect, Marjorie Greene will win in that district






PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
48. She might surprise you. I mean, look at Obama - arguably the best president in my
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:23 AM
Aug 2020

lifetime, and I'm nearly 62. He had like NO experience when he decided to run for president. A freshman Senator fresh from being a community organizer. But look how he did. Stellar.

I'd say give AOC a chance. I'm going to. I do predict she has quite a future at the national level. Have you watched footage of how well she handles herself when questioning people called to testify before her committees? Questioning Cohen? The bank executives? She's great.

Sometimes I think we tend to get too caught up in ideology. I mean, it has surely happened to me. I'm quite progressive about some things, and surprisingly conservative about a couple things, and centrist on others. I've said this before, because as I watch things unfold locally in my own community, I see it happening. When conservatives, progressives and people toward the center sit down at the table, hash out the problems that face us, negotiate - sometimes negotiate hard - and then compromise for the sake of moving forward, that is exactly what the founders intended. They knew if we have someone in power like Trump with his party in lockstep behind him, we can go the wrong direction awfully fast, so they purposely set it up to require debate and compromise to move forward.

See, the thing I think these Republican idiots have been missing since around 1980 is the willingness to actually do the work of debate and compromise - what it takes to govern. They've sold out for the sake of money and power.

Our people, on the other hand, whether far left, or closer to the center, or even a bit right of center, have something these Republicans do not have - they have a real desire to govern us. Oh, there are a few we might argue that point about, but for the most part, our people go into it in good faith. That's how I see AOC. She speaks from the heart, and acts with spirit - sometimes brash, but that will go with age and experience.

But she WANTS to govern us. She is willing to go to the table and argue passionately, but in the end she wants to govern and not obstruct.

Gosh that was wordy, wasn't it? Sorry. But I do like AOC - I've got a soft spot for her, for sure.

still_one

(92,144 posts)
51. That is why I said I would like to see how she would do as a Senator or Governor because those are
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:36 AM
Aug 2020

statewide elections, and a measure of popularity outside a district

However, I am glad she is in the House, and may have the opportunity to go after the nazi in Gerogia’s 14th district, which unfortunately I suspect, Marjorie Greene will win in the GE in that district

Her being part of Biden’s climate change task force, and other things, will determine determine how effective she is

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
58. Obama was a community organizer
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 02:39 AM
Aug 2020

in the late 80s and early 90s. He served in the Illinois State Senate from 97 to 04. He wasn’t fresh fresh from being a community organizer when he ran for the US Senate. That’s Republican propaganda.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
70. OK well I stand corrected. However, my point still stands. O was very inexperienced
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 09:19 AM
Aug 2020

in terms of being president. And I'm not saying there's anything at all wrong with community organizing, and he did use those skills as president. But organizing -> state legislator -> freshman US Senator still didn't give him the massive base of experience that Biden has at this point. Which was my point in the beginning.

Malmsy

(297 posts)
87. He had experience in both Congress and the Senate
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 01:15 PM
Aug 2020

POTUS requires far, far more skills than a freshman in congress, even if they are old enough to run for POTUS.

Obama's first act in congress was not to protest the speakers' office.

Obama also relied on the counsel of those far more experienced that he was, Speaker Pelosi for instance. He did not run on promises of smashing the "establishment" but repairing it, building on the parts that work, and create hope and confidence in, not anger at the role of the federal government in helping people.

He did not run on a platform of "rebuilding the Democratic party from scratch," which implies dismantling it.

I am a big fan of AOC's, but I think she needs to mature and gain some expertise in working the system. My respect for Madame Speaker has grown by leaps and bounds since Trump was installed, and experience is now much higher on my list of qualifications in a candidate.



stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
56. Don't dislike AOC. And I don't think a big tent is a bad thing.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 02:11 AM
Aug 2020

And while undeniably true -- it IS a little hard to see that statement as something other than an anti-endorsement of sorts.

I defend her right to say what she thinks. And also the right for others to say, "Well, that was a little -- unwise."

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
67. That's an interesting article from HuffPo's trend reporter,
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 09:13 AM
Aug 2020

especially for anyone breathlessly awaiting Winnie Wong's reaction:

And Winnie Wong, a prominent activist and former adviser to the Sanders campaign, tweeted last week: “You want Bill Clinton to speak but maybe not AOC. Okay, dummies.”


JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
69. She's the only first-term congressperson to get one minute.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 09:18 AM
Aug 2020

All the others get zero minutes.

As the OP quoted:

Only a tiny little minute,
But eternity is in it.


She will need to figure out what point she wants to make, then make it. She can do this.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
85. Right. So, being given "one minute" is not a slap, not disrespectful, not a put-down.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:46 AM
Aug 2020

It's a chance to speak, briefly, to a huge audience.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
23. Fantastic!
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:38 PM
Aug 2020

I know AOC and Kamala have been working in unity for the past year on that climate equity bill. Maybe they have gotten to be good friends....

burrowowl

(17,639 posts)
36. As well as an environmental justice bill!
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 12:32 AM
Aug 2020

why is it AOC bashers don't get called on for bashing Democrats?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
121. If he believes that AOC is the future, perhaps offering some of his time would
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:50 PM
Aug 2020

demonstrate that in concrete terms.

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