HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Why trump can't just refu...

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 09:58 AM

Why trump can't just refuse to leave office - encouraging

Last edited Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Trump Can't Just Refuse to Leave Office
We have a lot of things to worry about in the next eight months. This isn’t one of them.

SLATE
By Fred Kaplan
June 1, 2020

The fear is spreading that if President Donald Trump loses the election this November, he’ll refuse to leave office. Bill Maher has been warning of this specter on his HBO show, Real Time, since late last year. This past weekend, New York Times columnist Roger Cohen called Trump’s compliance with the election results “the most critical question for American democracy” and wrote that the “chances are growing” that Trump would not concede if Joe Biden won. Biden himself has raised the possibility on a few occasions.

If Trump could get away with refusing to leave the Oval Office, in order “to extend his autocratic power,” as Cohen put it, he probably would. But he wouldn’t get away with it; those around him would almost certainly advise him against it, if he asked; therefore my guess is, he won’t try. Then again, in recent years many things have happened that I would have bet against. Let’s say the nightmare happens. Here is why it won’t last long.

So it’s the morning of Jan. 20, 2021. Trump doesn’t meet President-elect Joe Biden and his wife in the White House driveway, nor does he attend the inauguration on Capitol Hill. Instead, he proclaims, as he has many times by this point, that the election was a fraud (he has set the stage for this with his false claims about mail-in ballots), and at noon, instead of acceding to the transfer of power, Trump proclaims that the swearing in was FAKE NEWS and that he remains the president.

Here is what would happen next.

On the dot of noon, the nuclear codes, which currently allow Trump to order and authenticate a nuclear attack, expire. The officer who has been following him around everywhere with the “football”—which, contrary to popular belief, is not a button or a palm print but rather a book filled with various launch codes—leaves. If Trump and whatever lackeys stay with him prevent the officer from leaving, another officer, holding a backup football, would join Biden at the inauguration ceremony.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-election-refusal-leave.html


(I needed to edit this post to comply with DU's copyright policy, in case you wondered why it has been modified.)


119 replies, 11056 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 119 replies Author Time Post
Reply Why trump can't just refuse to leave office - encouraging (Original post)
ailsagirl Aug 2020 OP
Hoyt Aug 2020 #1
Mike 03 Aug 2020 #5
stopdiggin Aug 2020 #112
Thomas Hurt Aug 2020 #2
Grokenstein Aug 2020 #101
AZ8theist Aug 2020 #102
NCjack Aug 2020 #106
tblue37 Aug 2020 #107
Wounded Bear Aug 2020 #3
Aristus Aug 2020 #15
KS Toronado Aug 2020 #41
jmowreader Aug 2020 #62
SergeStorms Aug 2020 #105
smb Aug 2020 #115
fescuerescue Aug 2020 #4
Mike 03 Aug 2020 #6
sweetloukillbot Aug 2020 #7
fescuerescue Aug 2020 #11
sweetloukillbot Aug 2020 #19
fescuerescue Aug 2020 #36
uponit7771 Aug 2020 #52
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #54
ailsagirl Aug 2020 #93
Tiger8 Aug 2020 #119
obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #38
uponit7771 Aug 2020 #50
NeoGreen Aug 2020 #10
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #25
fescuerescue Aug 2020 #33
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #55
mahina Aug 2020 #99
uponit7771 Aug 2020 #51
uponit7771 Aug 2020 #49
Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2020 #72
Totally Tunsie Aug 2020 #84
unblock Aug 2020 #8
zipplewrath Aug 2020 #13
unblock Aug 2020 #24
Marcuse Aug 2020 #32
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #27
Stuart G Aug 2020 #63
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #77
Stuart G Aug 2020 #86
fescuerescue Aug 2020 #45
Neema Aug 2020 #118
intrepidity Aug 2020 #9
flibbitygiblets Aug 2020 #18
Yavin4 Aug 2020 #12
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #23
Yavin4 Aug 2020 #34
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #59
obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #116
AC_Mem Aug 2020 #14
TeamPooka Aug 2020 #31
fescuerescue Aug 2020 #46
TommyCelt Aug 2020 #75
TeamPooka Aug 2020 #85
AC_Mem Aug 2020 #88
frogmarch Aug 2020 #16
SidDithers Aug 2020 #17
catrose Aug 2020 #110
NNadir Aug 2020 #20
colsohlibgal Aug 2020 #21
ailsagirl Aug 2020 #37
alittlelark Aug 2020 #43
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #22
honest.abe Aug 2020 #26
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #28
ailsagirl Aug 2020 #40
world wide wally Aug 2020 #29
TeamPooka Aug 2020 #30
mnmoderatedem Aug 2020 #35
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #60
tritsofme Aug 2020 #109
Sympthsical Aug 2020 #78
GopherGal Aug 2020 #89
Sympthsical Aug 2020 #91
CaptainTruth Aug 2020 #39
ailsagirl Aug 2020 #44
Larissa Aug 2020 #70
WyattKansas Aug 2020 #97
GopherGal Aug 2020 #98
EarnestPutz Aug 2020 #42
wryter2000 Aug 2020 #47
generalbetrayus Aug 2020 #48
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #61
bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #53
OMGWTF Aug 2020 #56
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #64
Operaweeble Aug 2020 #57
malaise Aug 2020 #58
Stuart G Aug 2020 #66
malaise Aug 2020 #69
EarnestPutz Aug 2020 #71
malaise Aug 2020 #74
Vivienne235729 Aug 2020 #65
ego_nation Aug 2020 #67
smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #82
jumptheshadow Aug 2020 #68
paul91046 Aug 2020 #73
chowder66 Aug 2020 #108
not_the_one Aug 2020 #76
Paladin Aug 2020 #79
Warpy Aug 2020 #80
C Moon Aug 2020 #81
Duppers Aug 2020 #113
jimlup Aug 2020 #83
Cha Aug 2020 #87
ailsagirl Aug 2020 #92
Cha Aug 2020 #94
ailsagirl Aug 2020 #95
BComplex Aug 2020 #90
DrToast Aug 2020 #96
no_hypocrisy Aug 2020 #100
muntrv Aug 2020 #103
Amaryllis Aug 2020 #104
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2020 #111
pansypoo53219 Aug 2020 #114
Cosmocat Aug 2020 #117

Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:02 AM

1. Al Gore just laughed at the concern trump wouldn't leave, saying he'd have no choice.

I think it was on CNN, maybe Sunday.

I'm with him. Just another "concern" that might cause some to question whether they should bother to vote.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:08 AM

5. That's reassuring too.

Al Gore knows the inside workings of the White House.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 12:07 AM

112. we should maybe start listening to people who know sh*t

rather than people who imagine sh*t?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:05 AM

2. Yep, the Pig won't succeed but he will be trying.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 08:08 PM

101. I hope he tries. It will be the shit cherry on top of his shit sundae.

Imagine him screaming and wailing as two FBI agents, one on each arm, drag him out of the White House and into a white van.

Why, it might push his support all the way down to 23%.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Grokenstein (Reply #101)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 08:14 PM

102. Your number is wrong.

The traitorous, racist fuckwits will keep his support at 32%, not 23.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AZ8theist (Reply #102)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:11 PM

106. Please, Mr. Trump. Try to hold on to the presidency past your expiration date. When it is

all over, you will be arrested for sedition, brought to trial, and convicted.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Grokenstein (Reply #101)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:42 PM

107. Like Julian Assange being carried out of the Ecuadorian embassy. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:06 AM

3. Aside from the M1 tanks rolling down Penn Avenue, all that is plausible...

A few Bradley AFVs would suffice, and would do less damage to the road surface.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:24 AM

15. All those militia tough guys would shit their pants if they saw

Bradleys coming down the street at them, which would no doubt hinder them when running away.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:24 AM

41. Does the military have belt fed 50 cal rubber bullets? We might need them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KS Toronado (Reply #41)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:52 AM

62. No, they do not

My recommendation is a crop duster with a tank full of CS powder.

If that doesn't work, the Old Guard should have a few mortars.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jmowreader (Reply #62)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 09:31 PM

105. Better yet, two crop dusters...

the first one dispensing powdered soap, the second.......... water! Wash the dirt off those stanky clowns and their mystique takes a big hit, not to mention their pride.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SergeStorms (Reply #105)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 07:54 AM

115. I'd Use Perfume...

...an obnoxious mix of the strongest and most "girly" scents I could find.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:07 AM

4. I'm not the least bit worried about Trump not leaving..but that's not how it would happen

This worry comes up every 4 years. Every 4 years and it's annoying. Each side demonizing the other and expects the other to do terrible things when/if they lose. Last 2 times it was the Republicans being scared about it (rolling my eyes).

HOWEVER:

If such a thing happened. It would not be this orderly clinical legal procedure. It would be a coup. Coups are bloody. People change loyalty in coups. People are SHOCKED at how and how changes their loyalty and how laws are ignored. People DIE and the rightful leaders and the chain of successors are in extreme danger or are murdered at the start of the coup.

Truly it would be the end of our prosperity and the first day of becoming the newest 3rd world country. Before it was over millions upon millions would be dead.

I'm not concerned. Trump will leave in January (or worst case January 2024). But if he refuses. It's going to be the worst day of our lives for all Americans. Not Just Democrats. All of us.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:12 AM

6. Yes, I remember in the late 90s when whack jobs like

anti-Trump conspiracy theorist Larry Nichols was peddling the "Bill Clinton won't leave office" stuff. Martial law, black helicopters, internment camps.

Still, Trump is such an outlier. I've never heard a president in my lifetime say he might have "three terms" because he was investigated during the first term, or promote the idea that the election would be fraudulent and "rigged", or try to incite violence from his followers.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:13 AM

7. Millions will be killed?

Cool story, bro

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:19 AM

11. You don't think that a civil war would be triggered?

If a coup occurred at the Presidential level?

Essentially I said that such a thing WILL NOT happen. But if it did it would be horrible. If Trump's followers did something horrible to Biden and Kamala, Portland would look like a fistfight.

For fun. Do some searches on when other countries have had a coup or attempted coup at the Presidential/Monarch/Dictator level and see how it turned out for the people of that country.

Heck look at how Iraq turned out when the US removed Hussein.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:30 AM

19. Fun fact, the United States isn't Iraq

And as awful as Trump is, he's not Hussein.

But keep up your fantasies that Trump's loss will trigger a Civil War and millions will be killed.

Because that's SURE to motivate people to vote.

Vote for Biden, you'll be killed!

Jesus Christ...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:21 AM

36. Correct. We are special

We would never let a madman run our country.

Anyway don't mischaracterize what i wrote as a fantasy. Nor mischaracterize it as simply Trump losing. That's Bullshit man.

I'm talking about the case of where TRUMP attempts seizes power away from Biden in the form of a 2nd term AFTER trumps loses the election fair and square. That is clearly written in the post.

This is what will happen: Biden will win. Trump will return to NYC (or maybe Florida whatever). That's the 99.99% case.

What I wrote and what you didn't catch onto is that IF trump tried to takeover the Biden administration, it wouldn't be something that is handled like a speeding ticket as the article insinuates.

way to twist my words dude.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:42 AM

52. +1, people don't think crap stinks !! What the hell

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:44 AM

54. I call this a 'the sky is falling post'...and Trump will leave office should he lose...

one way or the other. Trump has a minority of support.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #54)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 05:54 PM

93. I fervently hope so!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #36)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 09:14 AM

119. +1 Nobody "Knows" what will happen - Trump should not be president now, but he is

 

Playing out "what will happen" scenarios are incredibly naive because they can't accurately predict opponents, which is the only reason why Trump is still in office.

Team Trump (and team Putin) already know every move in that article is a dead end, and crossed it off the list months or years ago. Psychopaths, in the tradition of Stephen Miller, Roger Stone, and Steve Bannon are likely working on a very novel strategy to stay in power, with creative plans A, B and C that might not be dead ends.

Psychopathic brains are wired differently. They have absolutely no conscience. Subverting democracy and stealing control of the most powerful country in the world is a huge ego trip - and the road to incredible wealth and domination, including power to legally ruin lives, spread terror and kill people.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:22 AM

38. no

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:37 AM

50. ... like 175,000 killed? Or is that a hoax or not Trumps fault? At what point are people going to

... STOP giving Trump the benefit of the doubt on ANYTHING ?!!?!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:18 AM

10. Agreed...

...and I foresee the wacko militias start their gathering in late Nov/Dec as a big Harley rally.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:52 AM

25. With all due respect, I think your post is completely ridiculous.

Trump will cease being president in January 2021...unless he wins the election which I view as unlikely.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:14 AM

33. Ever read about a coup that wasn't ridiculous?

That didn't harm masses of people? Ever read of a case in history where a national leader refused to stop down and it was all settled with an arrest or some lawyers writing clever prose?

These things only happen when people stop respecting the rule of law, when the leader is so terrible that people stop respecting the rule of law, or there is no rule of law.

Let's be clear: I don't expect any of that to happen.

Im just saying that if we go down that road, what happens will not proceed orderly and to a recipe (which includes what i wrote). But it will be bad for everyone on the planet.

Bottom line: I agree with you. He will be out in January 2021.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:46 AM

55. It may not be orderly but should Trump lose, he will leave...and I don't see a civil war happening.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 07:11 PM

99. I read you

I’m not afraid that he won’t leave for the record but I think it does merit mention that coups l are chaotic, inherently, and that it’s obvious he’s got a team of people coming out next steps who are aware of us. just take a look at the post office

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:42 AM

51. We're at Nam x 3 how is Trump killing millions more people ridiculous ? Thx in advance

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:35 AM

49. THIS!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 We're Nam x 3 dead cause of CV19 Trump could give a fuck about killing 100,000

...of thousands more Americans to stay in office.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:08 PM

72. People on both sides might fear it

but no Democratic President has ever made any explicit (or even implicit) statements about trying to stay in power after their terms end and have always acceded to a peaceful transition of power. Trump has the dubious distinction of being the first President to talk about possibly refusing to leave.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fescuerescue (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:22 PM

84. *January, 2025

The election will be in 2024.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:14 AM

8. this is basically a strawman argument.

some people may be expressing the concern poorly, giving the wrong impression, but the concern isn't really that everyone accepts that donnie lost the election, but then on january 20 he refuses to leave the oval office. i agree that's a very simple scenario. biden becomes president on january 20 at noon, no matter where he is, and all the powers of the office transfer in that moment. donnie can be removed by force if need be.

the most real concern is if he doesn't accept the fact that he lost, and that between legal challenges and media arguments and propaganda, he casts doubt over the legitimacy of the election. there's still no problem few people believe him. if it just looks like typical donnie whining and lying, but people accept the biden won, again, there's no problem.

but if a substantial number of people believe him and seriously doubt the election results, then we do have a potential problem.

then it depends on which institutions fall for it and what they do. if there's a supreme court case and they decide to declare donnie the winner, we're probably screwed, as we were when they inexplicably halted the florida recount when shrub was slightly ahead for obviously biased reasons. if the media goes along with it and constantly calls the election results "disputed, fraught with fraud allegations" and question its legitimacy, we're probably also screwed.


donnie has given every indication that he will not go quietly, and that he will claim that any election he loses is fraudulent and he won't accept it. the real concern is if he can create enough chaos around the election to make people think he might be right.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to unblock (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:23 AM

13. Close

I agree, it's not about he refusing to leave. It is about him sewing enough doubt and getting the governors of republican states to create just enough chaos to allow them to pull off a victory in the congress after challenging the EC results. They've already started and ultimately between the SC and various states, it is slightly conceivable that they could succeed. Even if they don't, it will undermine the next administrations "first 100 days" immensely.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to zipplewrath (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:52 AM

24. Right. The scenario I worry about is the 1876 Tilden-Hayes mess

That was resolved after much negotiation by ending reconstruction in the south, clearing the way for ninety years of Jim Crow, the kkk, and other forms of racial oppression

If he gets to negotiate, what will it cost us this time?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to unblock (Reply #24)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:11 AM

32. A most significant event in American history

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to unblock (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:53 AM

27. Please...he will go quietly or otherwise, he will have no choice. So let's make sure he loses

in the double digits by getting the vote out.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:52 AM

63. ...Yes, You got it, and he WILL LOSE IN DOUBLE DIGITS..why? Totally Incomeptent ,Totally insensitive

....For those 2 reasons alone, Trump will lose by "double digits"

....If I am correct about those to traits of Trump...?? then he will lose by double digits.....But do other
people see those traits?....Well Trump does ....NOT HIDE THEM, DOES HE?

(and that does not include the ....TOTAL LIAR....does it?)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stuart G (Reply #63)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:21 PM

77. I think it will be a landslide.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #77)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 03:23 PM

86. I agree totally. "LANDSLIDE" ..because everyone has had a chance to see his lies, incompetence, and

stupidity as well as his insensitive nature....that is...Donald Trump seems to care only about himself. And it is as plain & clear as a blue sky at noon on a totally clear day (no clouds) with full sunshine.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to unblock (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:31 AM

45. This

In this sort of black swan event, the "playbook" goes out the window quickly for all.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to unblock (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 09:09 AM

118. Yes, this.

I'm cautiously optimistic that voter hatred for trump will overwhelm all the Republican/Russian interference in the election. But the reality is there will be a LOT of interference. And what would be an overwhelming landslide if the election was fair, will look like a close election. trump will seize that opportunity to cast every kind of doubt imaginable in the results, with the help of McConnell and Russia of course. If Biden/Harris don't absolutely crush trump on November 3, the three months that follow will be an absolute shitshow.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:16 AM

9. Well, first off, he won't be waiting til Jan 2021 to make his move

He's got a good full two months to set up whatever hellscape he decides upon. All manner of things can happen in that time.

It's naive to underestimate the hubris of one who knows no shame

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to intrepidity (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:30 AM

18. My first thought as well. Why would he wait until Jan 20? I'm more worried about 11/4.

Not to add to the paranoia, but it's foolish not to think through the possibilities. What if he declares war Germany? Or China? Or California? If Trump and Russia aren't able to steal this election, Putin will lose his asset. So the only thing left to do would be to sow as much chaos as possible until 1/20/21.

What would Putin like to see happen? I think THAT'S the question we should be thinking about, and what are we going to do about it?


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:20 AM

12. I imagine a slightly different scenario for how Trump would try to stay in office

Trump is not the kind of guy that would barricade himself in the Oval office and go out guns blazing. That would require a level of courage which clearly he does not have.

No. I see Trump challenging the election results in various courts. Delay state certifications and the selection of electors to the electoral college. IOW, gum up the works in the courts starting the day after election day which stops the entire process from moving forward. Fatigue the electoral and legal processes until it gives in to him. The closer the results, the stronger his case will be.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:49 AM

23. And none of that matters as on January 21st , Trump ceases to be president.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:14 AM

34. Jan. 21st can not happen without the electors certifying the results.

If the election is close, e.g. Biden wins by the same margins that Trump won in 2016, I see Trump challenging the results in the state courts which will stall the entire process.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:48 AM

59. Nope, Trump's term ends on January 21st...electors or not. Nancy would be president.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Yavin4 (Reply #34)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 08:23 AM

116. Nope, doesn't matter -- he is out and the Speaker of the House is in

Which will almost positively be Nancy Pelosi.

The process grinding to a halt in court doesn't mean he is still President. He syops being President at noon on January 20.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:24 AM

14. I would be surprised

if he is even in the state on Inauguration Day. I think he will have long left the WH and will be holed up somewhere licking his wounds through twitter rants.

What we need to be careful of is that he does not try to leave the country before New York has a chance to "speak" to him about several items of interest....

I just don't see him leaving with any class - if he does it will be very surprising.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AC_Mem (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:10 AM

31. I still think if he loses he resigns a day before the Inauguration so Pence can pardon him

then Pence has to put on a brave face for the ceremonies.
Trump is intellectually and emotionally incapable of doing it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TeamPooka (Reply #31)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:32 AM

46. Of all these unlikely things. This is the most likely

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TeamPooka (Reply #31)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:15 PM

75. Pence could pardon all the federal crimes he wants...

...can't pardon state crimes.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TommyCelt (Reply #75)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:53 PM

85. and Trump will take the pardons he can get... before he flees the country.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TommyCelt (Reply #75)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 04:25 PM

88. Exactly

Which is why I said that New York is waiting for him

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:28 AM

16. Well, if all else fails,

as Nancy Pelosi said, if we have to fumigate, we'll fumigate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:30 AM

17. Who certifies the election results?...

That's Congress, isn't it? Specifically, the Democratic House of Representatives?

My worry is that Republicans in Congress somehow try to fuck with the certification of the election results. If the results aren't certified, then maybe that calls into question who the legal President is on Jan 20 @ noon.

Sid

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:04 PM

110. But wouldn't it be Pelosi, if no candidate could be certified?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:32 AM

20. It would be interesting to add criminal trespass and...

...inciting insurrection to all the other charges he'll face.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:34 AM

21. He Won't Take A Loss Graciously

What he does is a wild card. If he somehow sizes up something close to reality he may try to flee the Country.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:22 AM

37. I wish he would flee!!

What concerns me is what his followers might do-- all those yahoos who think he's the best prez ever. They're not going to take defeat sitting down. They're loonies and loonies can be frightening if they're angry enough. And they're also fanatics. I'll stop there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:27 AM

43. I have had the 'flee' thought for over a year.

Interesting that he is trying to get an in-person meeting with Putin in the very near future. Turkey is another viable option.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:47 AM

22. Thank you for this...I have long thought this to be the case. If we win strongly, Trump

will go as he has no choice.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:52 AM

26. This totally makes sense.

It could get a bit ugly but in the end he is out. There is no option for extending his term.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to honest.abe (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:55 AM

28. That is the most important part.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to honest.abe (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:23 AM

40. I LIKE the sound of that!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:03 AM

29. Yeah, but that's just the reality of the situation

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:08 AM

30. The Secret Service will throw him in his chopper and fly him away.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:14 AM

35. here's a scenario that is more worrisome to me

republican legislators refuse to certify election results in swing states where Biden won, because trump sez the election wuz rigged because of mail in ballots and other such bullshit. Therefore trump is still president.

That could get messy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mnmoderatedem (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:50 AM

60. doesn't work that way...he would not have the numbers and Nancy becomes president.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #60)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:04 PM

109. Pelosi is unlikely to become president, even in this scenario. If no candidate receives majority

of electoral votes, contingent elections would happen in the House and Senate to choose the president and vice president respectively.

The biggest wrinkle being each state delegation casts a single vote in the House. If the House fails to select a president, the vice president selected by the Senate becomes acting president. Only if the Senate also failed to select a vice president by 1/20 could Pelosi become acting president.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mnmoderatedem (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:25 PM

78. Doesn't work that way.

The electoral college will meet. The President is whoever gets a majority of the electoral votes cast.

If Republican states don’t have electors, it doesn’t matter. Biden merely needs a majority of who’s available.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Sympthsical (Reply #78)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 05:11 PM

89. So the danger is in some states having no certified Electors

... and who gets to manipulate which states those are that have no certified Electors.
The meeting of the Electoral College could theoretically be held with the red states having their electors in place, but the blue states not having theirs in place (either because red-led governors/legislators dragged out certification or republican lawsuit challenges to elector certification in blue states).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to GopherGal (Reply #89)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 05:39 PM

91. In theory, yes. But it's unlikely.

It’d end up in the Supreme Court, and Roberts hates Trump. The whole Florida mess in 2000 was specifically because they wanted the electors in place on time.

If a Republican government in a blue state attempted anything, it’d make the Women’s March look like a church picnic. It’s just not going to happen. Those politicians would rapidly find themselves out of jobs. They value their own skins more than they want to save Trump.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:22 AM

39. It amazes me how many folks haven't read the Constitution.


If Trump loses the election he becomes a private citizen on January 20 at noon. At that point he has no authority to command anyone to do anything. If he refuses to leave the White House, the Secret Service (who at that point will serve Joe Biden) will escort him off the grounds. Period.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:28 AM

44. In a straitjacket...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:06 PM

70. Thank you, Captain Truth

When the clock strikes twelve noon, on January 20th Trump's chariot reverts to the orange pumpkin he rode in on. The fear that Trump can just declare himself president-for-life demonstrates what a number he's done on people's heads.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 06:34 PM

97. And I wonder how comfy tRUMP is going to feel about slipping out the back door...

When Secret Service is tasked with following him everywhere?

tRUMP's brain: My private plane will fly us to Russia. The squirrel in the wheel remains silent about Agent Mike staying with him at all times.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 06:35 PM

98. I'm envisioning a Hansel & Gretel-like trail of Big Macs

to lure him out of the Oval.
Or maybe Ivanka will be the bait.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:27 AM

42. If we take the Senate, on inauguration day Mitch McConnell will already be the minority leader....

....as the new Democratic Senate will have been sworn in more than two weeks earlier, on the third of January.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:33 AM

47. As someone here said

Wait until he goes out to play golf, and change the locks.

Or, turn off power to the Oval Office. Turn off the phones. Turn off the wifi. Could we block the cell tower that serves the Oval Office? If he can't tweet, he'll be out of there within hours.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:35 AM

48. The presumption here, from some commenters, is that if the election were disputed

up through January 20, 2021, then Trump would remain President. Is that true? (Legal scholars?) Wouldn't there in fact be a vacancy in the Presidency and Vice-Presidency? Under the normal order of Presidential succession, if there is a vacancy in the President's and Vice-President's offices, the Speaker of the House becomes acting President. If the election were still in dispute on January 20, would Nancy Pelosi become acting President?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to generalbetrayus (Reply #48)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:51 AM

61. Yes she would.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:43 AM

53. Get us to the place.

God, get us to that place.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:46 AM

56. I want Moscow Mitch GONE not just relegated to minority leader.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OMGWTF (Reply #56)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:52 AM

64. He is begging for a debate...that probably means he is in trouble.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:46 AM

57. I really hope this is the case.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:48 AM

58. This isn't one of them

Been saying that for ages - the system is way bigger than this colossal asshole.
And even more asinine comment was the one from two days ago when he spewed some shit about doing over the elections if he doesn't like the results.
This fucking semi-literate who knows nothing about anything thinks he's bigger than the entire system. he will learn.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malaise (Reply #58)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:01 PM

66. You are totally correct..The system will not allow this..That includes the Republican leadership

and the Supreme Court.

.... Further, if he pulls any crap like described in the OP, then he will lose all
dignity that comes with being a "retired President of the U.S."...He will not be interviewed, or put on
talk shows. (except for FOX, and they might exclude him if he pulls this stunt)
...Also, he will not be paid huge amounts to speak at events.. (and we all know Trump loves money, and he will need more money with the possibility of a divorce ??) No..the system will not allow this, and neither will his family. Trump will go on a long vacation to "no where land" if the family finds out that he is going to do this.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Stuart G (Reply #66)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:04 PM

69. He has no dignity to lose

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malaise (Reply #69)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:06 PM

71. I'm guessing that he boycotts the inauguration and flies off early to Mar-a-Largo.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to EarnestPutz (Reply #71)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:14 PM

74. I still believe that he could pull out before the elections

With that ego losing to Biden will be worse than the prison cell awaiting him.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:53 AM

65. If he pulls this nonsense, all I ask is to be able to see him walked out in handcuffs

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:02 PM

67. It's not so much the military that concerns me as it is

his supporters. They will be the wild card, and Trump will have no qualms about putting out a call to action to them. He’s already alluded to it, and I think a great many of his supporters are ready to die on that hill. I’m not worried that they will win, but I am worried about the bloodshed that takes place in our streets over it. I think we’re all familiar enough with their rhetoric to know this isn’t a far-fetched scenario.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ego_nation (Reply #67)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:06 PM

82. This is what concerns me as well.

That they will not accept a Trump loss, and we know that most of them are unhinged enough to kill over it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:03 PM

68. Cut off his food supply except for tofu and bean sprouts

No caffeine and no meds except for those that will sustain life.

Block all communications.

He'll come out voluntarily at some point with his teeth chattering.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:14 PM

73. but....

it's the time between november 3 and january 20 that should scare the shit out of everyone. SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF EVERONE. do you think he'll behave rationally? he'll still have the nuclear codes. gulp....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to paul91046 (Reply #73)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 11:01 PM

108. The military will push back if a nuclear order seems random (no actual threat to the U.S.).

They can deny illegal orders. They will look into it but they won't jump to launch and could completely ignore the order.

I think the concern would be more like Trump asking Putin over the phone to launch missiles at us if he loses and he declares emergency presidential powers.
I could be way off on this so I hope someone smarter than me will add to this or correct my thinking.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:21 PM

76. "The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January"

 

Well, we ALL know that the word "shall" is nothing more than a suggestion (see tax returns), and can be completely ignored. It doesn't mean squat.

I suppose we will have to see if enough goons have been moved into military leadership control to say they agree. Or they could just say "meh".

Then the REAL cultural war will start. And there will be nothing "civil" about it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:28 PM

79. Thanks, slate.com, for giving trump weeks and weeks to end around this scenario.

You think trump and his psychotic base can't figure a way around this? If you do, you haven't been paying attention.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:33 PM

80. I want him trussed up and rolled out on a refrigerator dolly

with video from many angles. I want him deposited at the curb along with all his tacky possessions, Ivanka with her cell phone frantically calling moving companies before the skies open up.

Failing that, I want him rolled to a chopper and onto AF2, flown to Moscow, where he will be rolled down the emergency chute and onto the tarmac. The chute will be cut loose, the plane secured, and flown back to the US. Let Putin deal with him, he wanted him so badly.

Mostly, I just want him GONE. I can dream, though.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:50 PM

81. I think when he loses, he'll try to claim it was mail-in ballot fraud (of course, we all see that).

Immediately, Trump, Barr, McConnell, etc will start legal battles that will make the 2000 election look like a cakewalk.
After a while, when Trump sees there's no point, he'll disappear to Russia or a country that will refuse extradition.
If he stays, I do believe he'll end up in prison along with many others.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to C Moon (Reply #81)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 03:40 AM

113. Russia, etc. will not want him

He will be of no use to them then and his assets will probably be frozen if he leaves for S. America, etc. because of various pending criminal trials.
My take anyway.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:07 PM

83. True enough but my concern is what happens between Nov 4th and January 20, 2021

That is where the dangers lie and remember that during this time Trump is the "Commander and Chief" and thus he welds power to disrupt. What could he disrupt that make the events on January 20th NO what as setup and described above.

That is the key question.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 03:40 PM

87. Bookmarked! Mahlalo, ailsagirl! It does make

me feel much better!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #87)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 05:53 PM

92. I'm glad to know that this possibility has crossed many people's minds

And that it is being taken very seriously.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Reply #92)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 05:58 PM

94. Exactly. Due to Traitor-trump's Big Ugly

mouth, that he can't keep shut.. we know he & his wrecking crew will do anything to stay in power. They're destroying Everything.

Our job Collectively is to Vote Biden & Harris IN!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #94)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 06:09 PM

95. Damn right!!!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 05:17 PM

90. That's not the problem I see. I see the russians making the election another 2000 election fiasco

where nobody knows what the right vote count is, and trump, via Bill Barr and Mitch McConnell start playing legal games that really mess up the ability of states to give a good tally. He will try to keep it in the courts forever, but especially handing it to the supreme court.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 06:14 PM

96. I don't think that accurately reflects what people are worried about

The concern is not that he won't leave, the concern is that he'll gin up some bullshit election fraud charges and fight the election results in court.

Now, whether or not that is likely is another story, but THAT is what people are concerned about. We know he can't just say, "I'm not leaving."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 07:21 PM

100. Who else would stay?

Pence? Barr? Jared? Kellyanne?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 08:16 PM

103. I am worried about what Orange Julius will do on November 4.

I see him filing lawsuits demanding recounts and trying to stop states from certifying the election for Biden.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2020, 08:18 PM

104. He wouldnt wait till Jan. 20. He would not concede and would challenge results long before that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 12:03 AM

111. The existing launch codes would become invalid at the moment Biden takes the oath

and the valid ones would be in the "football" in possession of a different officer standing near President Biden.

Whether or not Trump concedes is immaterial. If he loses, his stuff gets kicked to the curb if he doesn't leave the WH peacefully.

I do not expect him to attend Biden's inauguration. He'll just sit in front of a television and rage tweet, starting with "My crowd was the BIGGEST CROWD EVER!!!" His is pathetic.

I want to crowd fund a project to surround Mar-A-Lago with billboards with Trump's face and the word "LOSER!" displayed in huge letters. Also paint "A LOSER LIVES HERE" on the road in front of his club.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 06:31 AM

114. hit shit in the white house will already moved out + there are tasers. or harpoons.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 08:29 AM

117. THIS IS NOT THE CONCERN

The concern if is the Rs back his play to rat fuck the results, to derail congressional approval, etc.

Of course if it gets to inauguration day he won't be able to live in the broom closet.

The concern is what happens in between election night and then.

If anyone thinks he will NOT spend two months desperately spinning around and wreaking havoc ...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread