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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:24 AM Sep 2012

Get the picture? A Sea of Blue.

A rolling average.

POLL...................................DATE ........VOTERS..MOE............OB..ROM..............RESULTS

RCP Average........................9/11 - 9/20.....--...........--.............48.6..44.7............[font color=blue]Obama +3.9[font color=black]

Rasmussen Tracking.............9/18 - 9/20 1500 LV 3............46 45..........[font color=blue]Obama +1[font color=black]
National Journal...................9/15 - 9/19 1055 LV 3............50 43..........[font color=blue]Obama +7[font color=black]
Gallup Tracking....................9/14 - 9/20 3050 RV 2............47 47..........Tie
Associated Press/GfK............9/13 - 9/17 807 LV 4.3.........47 46..........[font color=blue]Obama +1[font color=black]
Reason-Rupe.......................9/13 - 9/17 787 LV 4.3.........52 45..........[font color=blue]Obama +7[font color=black]
Hartford Courant/UConn........9/11 - 9/18 1186 LV 3............46 43.........[font color=blue].Obama +3[font color=black]
Monmouth/SurveyUSA/Braun.9/13 - 9/16 1344 LV 2.7.........48 45..........[font color=blue]Obama +3[font color=black]
Pew Research.......................9/12 - 9/16 2268 LV 2.4.........51 43..........[font color=blue]Obama +8[font color=black]
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl..........9/12 - 9/16 736 LV 3.6.........50 45..........[font color=blue]Obama +5[font color=black]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

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Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
1. It's very important to note that RMoney isn't
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:32 AM
Sep 2012

leading in any polls, except some state polls, but those are getting slimmer.

Cirque du So-What

(25,911 posts)
3. They've squandered their prestige
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:41 AM
Sep 2012

by becoming the perpetual outlier. I'm far from an expert in polling methodology, but from my perspective, they're doing it wrong.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. I agree. But then, Gallup is REGISTERED voters, not likely voters.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:45 AM
Sep 2012

My understanding is that likely voter polling is more reflective of election results. Which makes sense.

Still, Obama has been holding steady at 46 or 47 for many months. Can't seem to break 50 except for the convention bounce.

Romney, OTOH, keeps going up and down a couple of points. (In June Romney was 47, then was 45, 45 again, then 46, then 47, then 43, then 47.)

It is Romney going up and down that affects who is on top, for the most part. It's not Obama dropping.

I'd like to see Obama pop up on that poll, though.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
5. Freepers believe Romney could be "ahead by as much as" 10 points
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:45 AM
Sep 2012

From FR about forty minutes ago -

"The mainstream media are rigging the polls. No headliner there, but just how bad is it? It could mean that Romney has as much as a double-digit lead of 54-44 in Realityville"


That's some serious denial.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
6. National polling is so misleading.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:48 AM
Sep 2012

I really dont see any point in doing it at this stage. It should all be state by state.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
8. It does show a picture. Check these polls out before the Bush-Kerry 2004 election.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:47 AM
Sep 2012

Bush won 51% to 48% approximately.

The NBC/WSJ polls at end:
September (Sept.17-19): Bush 48%, Kerry 45%, Nader 2%
Mid October (Oct.16-18): Bush 48%, Kerry 46%, Nader 2%
Late October (Oct.29-31): Bush 48%, Kerry 47%, Nader 1%

Every picture tells a story, I think.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
9. Because The EC Vote, More Or Less, Follows The Pop Vote
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 10:51 AM
Sep 2012

The larger the popular vote advantage gets the less likely the pop vote and the EC vote will diverge.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
10. State by state looks even better. And the states follow the national trend.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:06 AM
Sep 2012

A plus 2 nationally will usually translate to a bump on the state level, too.

doc03

(35,300 posts)
12. Every day I hear those polls where Obama is way ahead
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:28 AM
Sep 2012

and the same day I will hear a report that says it's a virtual dead heat, I don't know what to believe.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. Common sense should tell you
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:34 AM
Sep 2012

It's a real D'oh thing. Which one is running the perfect campaign and which one is chewing his foot?

And who do you think the vast majority of American people prefer as President?

Like Clinton says, it's Arithmetic.

edited to correct sentence

doc03

(35,300 posts)
16. You see I live in eastern Ohio where probably 2 out of 3
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:47 AM
Sep 2012

voters are registered Democrats. Yet on every other lawn or vehicle there is a sign saying "Stop the War on Coal, Fire Obama or a NRA sticker. The truth is that is just their excuse for not voting for a black man. It's kind of hard to judge the election when you are surrounded by Republicans, racist Democrats.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. The poll I posted is an average of a bunch of nat'l polls.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:59 AM
Sep 2012

That gives you a fairly accurate picture of the nation's view of things. Pay more attention to "likely" voters than registered voters, many of whom will not vote.

If the person saying it's a dead heat identifies only one poll, that's the one who's losing.

But it is close. No doubt about it.

That's why I try to get the full picture. Look at realclearpolitics. It gives results of most of the polls, both nationally AND by state. AND gives an electoral vote prediction, based on the polls. AND gives the gambling odds of who will win. It's stats change daily.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

National: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Ohio: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html

Other battleground state polling: (on rt side of upper screen) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

The Electoral Vote predicion currently stands at 247 Obama, 191 Romney. (270 needed to win) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
14. Encouraging, but no reason to relax.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:44 AM
Sep 2012

We not only need to keep the pressure on, we need to turn it up a notch. We're hot right now, and we need to capitalize on the momentum, and never lose it.

Even simple, educated, word of mouth campaigning at every reasonable opportunity that presents itself in our everyday lives helps.

Even if you only get one vote for our side out of it, it's worth it.

Mad_Dem_X

(9,548 posts)
17. I still can't believe it's that close.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:50 AM
Sep 2012

I feel like Obama should be way ahead. There are a lot of stupid and misinformed people out there.

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