Romney Hits The Road With A Man Who Likely Accepts His Mormon Tradition That Blacks Are Inferior

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Jack Nicklaus campaigning with Romney, he who said "different muscle structures" meant 'blacks' couldn't succeed in golf. Then: Tiger. D'oh!

history:

. . . while touring one of his courses near Vancouver, British Columbia, Nicklaus was asked by a Vancouver Province reporter about the paucity of blacks in golf. Nicklaus responded by saying "blacks have different muscles that react in different ways."He also said he didn't "buy" that he and other players could have taken stronger action in helping end discrimination in golf.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1994-08-21/sports/9408200266_1_nicklaus-blacks-comments

[Bluenorthwest]

1. Mitt taught that racist dogma as missionary and church leader until he was deep into

his 30's. That's just a fact.

[bigtree]

4. I agree with that

BETWEEN 1966 and 1968, Romney was a missionary in France. Blacks weren't allowed to be considered for priesthood in the church until 1978. Just what was Romney teaching those kids about his religion's bizarrely exclusionary, if not racist, doctrine regarding blacks?

In an extremely loose explanation, the Mormon church's leader, Brigham Young, took to heart an interpretation of the bible which said God had put a negative 'mark' on some which he believed applied to the dark color of skin. His doctrine extended to any amount of blood in an individual which came from Africans.

from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints

An early statement by Young about a priesthood ban in the LDS Church was made on February 13, 1849. The statement — which refers to the Curse of Cain as the reason for the policy — was given in response to the question, "What chance is there for the redemption of the Negro?" Young responded, "The Lord had cursed Cain's seed with blackness and prohibited them the Priesthood."

In 1852, while addressing the Utah Territorial Legislature, Young stated, "Any man having one drop of the seed of Cain ... in him cannot hold the Priesthood and if no other Prophet ever spoke it before I will say it now in the name of Jesus Christ I know it is true and others know it."

On June 9, 1978, then-church president Spencer Kimball announced the he'd had a revelation that the church's policy toward blacks should be changed.

from an article in the Denver Post: http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon191.html

Current church president Gordon Hinckley, who as a high church official in 1978 was present during the priesthood revelation, described the event in a 1988 magazine article: "No voice audible to our physical ears was heard. But the voice of the Spirit whispered with certainty into our minds and our very souls. & All of us knew that the time had come for a change and that the decision had come from the heavens."

So, on the word of the church leaders, the Mormon church changed it's policy, but that was years after a young Romney was traveling in France, spreading the Mormon gospel. Just what were the young Romney's views toward blacks?

[jody]

2. Wikipedia reports Tiger has many different racial groups in his ancestoral tree.

"Woods was born Eldrick Tont Woods in Cypress, California, to Earl (1932–2006) and Kultida (Tida) Woods (born 1944). He is the only child of their marriage, but does have two half-brothers, Earl Jr. (born 1955) and Kevin (born 1957), and a half-sister, Royce (born 1958) from the 18-year marriage of Earl Woods and his first wife, Barbara Woods Gray. Earl, a retired lieutenant colonel and Vietnam War veteran, was of African American, Native American, and possibly Chinese ancestry. Kultida (née Punsawad), originally from Thailand (where Earl had met her on a tour of duty in 1968), is of mixed Thai, Chinese, and Dutch ancestry. He refers to his ethnic make-up as "Cablinasian" (a syllabic abbreviation he coined from Caucasian, Black, American Indian, and Asian)."

[bigtree]

3. well

. . . take Tiger out of the equation and address the point of the op. Mitt's religion dehumanized blacks until the 70's; as bluenorthwest said above, well into Mitt's adulthood they were teaching that hateful doctrine. A church leader supposedly had a DREAM in the late 70's telling him to change the church policy of excluding blacks fro serving in the church hierarchy. Even then they still haven't accounted for the absurd notions that their founders had about the color of skin.

And Nicklaus . . . he may well have recanted when the firestorm broke out over his comments, but here he is, striking out with this ignorant demagogue.

Makes no difference at all what ethnicity Tiger identifies himself as. Nicklaus was focused on the color of individuals' skin, not where their ancestors and family hailed from.

[jody]

7. You wrote the OP, YOU take Tiger out of the equation. Many religions dehumanize groups particularly

women.

Abraham Lincoln in his Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858 said:
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

Why limit your OP to Nicklaus, why not add Lincoln and doubtless many others?

[bigtree]

8. you completely missed my point

. . . it's not so much about ethnicity (if at all) with racists and bigots. It's about skin color. That's something which Tiger, himself, likely found out as he tried to define himself to that crowd in terms of his family origins and the like, as you have done here. All of that is certainly more relevant than the color of his skin, but you'd be hard pressed to find racists and bigots making that distinction. Jack Nicklaus certainly didn't look beyond skin color when he made his bigoted, ignorant statement.

Is Lincoln campaigning this week with Romney, too? I missed that.

[jody]

10. No, you missed my point. Lincoln changed his mind after 1858. Perhaps others can also. To many

voters the presidential race is about our economy, foreign policy, education, health care, and other issues.

They don't care what color Obama is or Romney is but they do want each of them to tell voters how they plan to make things better.

Anyone who votes against Obama only because of his race IMO is a bigot just as is anyone who votes for him only because of his race is also a bigot.

[KurtNYC]

5. What do you call 300 white guys chasing one black guy?

Answer: the PGA tour

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

6. Reminds me of what L.A. police chief Daryl Gates once said

He was also an eminent expert on human anatomy. When asked in 1982 about why so many black people were dying as a result of the use of police choke holds compared to whites, he was quoted as saying "blacks might be more likely to die from choke holds because their arteries do not open as fast as they do on 'normal people.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Gates

[malaise]

9. Not the best weekend for such a touring partner

given the state of the PGA Championship. Tiger is sharing the top spot with Justin Rose at this time.
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/sports/22-Sep-2012/tiger-woods-justin-rose-share-lead-at-pga-tour-championship
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Tiger Woods and England's Justin Rose each fired four-under par 66s on Thursday to share the lead after the first round of the US PGA Tour Championship. Woods, who can capture the US PGA season playoff championship with a victory, and Rose -- who dropped in a 50-foot birdie effort at the 18th -- each fired six birdies and took two bogeys in the 30-player showdown at East Lake.

"I played well," Woods said. "It was a very consistent round. I hit the ball well, made a few putts, got around well." Woods sank a long birdie putt at the par-3 second and a six-footer for birdie at the par-4 third. After a bogey at the fourth, Woods finished the front nine with a birdie and made another with a long putt at the 12th.

[bigtree]

11. ha! You're right, Malaise

. . . they're riding into a perfect storm.

[HopeHoops]

12. Other than friends and family, I've only played golf with Republicans. It's fucking boring.

For me, the most exciting part is the putt. But for them, it's all about not holding up the group behind and putt's are "gimme" things. Yeah, sure, walking a lot gives you time to talk, but what's the fucking point if you aren't going to actually finish each hole? The best time I ever had playing golf was at a KOA camp ground where we were the only ones on the course (weren't staying there, just went to play). We took our time, joked around, smoked a few joints, and just played for fun.

Golf's expensive, elitist, and mostly a Republican "sport". The bars at golf courses are easily the worst I've ever encountered, and I've been in some real dives - one in particular got a new roof so now it's a dive with a new roof. But hey, blacks are inferior, you know. They do things like manual labor and programming high-end computers and machining critical specification parts and selling real estate and being lawyers and doctors and specialists and other unimportant things. They actually do WORK! For rMoney and his ilk, that makes them inferior, just like the rest of the 47%.