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David Frum nails Malkin (Original Post) Cicada Sep 2012 OP
He's starting to sound a bit more sharp_stick Sep 2012 #1
Frum seems to have some ethics. longship Sep 2012 #2
there is something wrong with Malkin KT2000 Sep 2012 #3
She's Certifiable M_M Sep 2012 #5
Could you please change your OP title, please intaglio Sep 2012 #4
Or maybe some people just have a dirty mind lunatica Sep 2012 #7
So you know the alternative meaning as well intaglio Sep 2012 #8
If you had alerted I doubt you'd get any satisfaction lunatica Sep 2012 #9
No, I recognise that words are important intaglio Sep 2012 #13
Oh, come on. Really? Quantess Sep 2012 #10
I am saying that possible accidental offense can be avoided intaglio Sep 2012 #11
Fair enough. I would use a different choice of words, myself. Quantess Sep 2012 #12
Malkin is a head-case... fascisthunter Sep 2012 #6
It's only one paragraph, but it's a good one Canuckistanian Sep 2012 #14
i doubt David Frum has ever nailed anybody BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #15

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. He's starting to sound a bit more
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 11:27 AM
Sep 2012

like his Mom, who was an incredible person, as time goes on. Maybe there is hope for him after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Frum

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. Frum seems to have some ethics.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 12:19 PM
Sep 2012

His tag line in the article is telling:

But who stands at the highest window in the building to drop slop onto the heads of the unfortunates standing 10 or 12 stories below?


Good question, David.

KT2000

(20,568 posts)
3. there is something wrong with Malkin
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 12:26 PM
Sep 2012

and it is a shame that media allows her - and pays her to express her pathological hatred. Children should be prevented from witnessing her mental breakdowns.

 

M_M

(163 posts)
5. She's Certifiable
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 08:59 PM
Sep 2012

Early last year, she was on the round table (!) on This Week. While Paul Krugman was talking, rhey cut to a shot of Malkin. I thought she was gonna leap across the table with a machete and stab him.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
8. So you know the alternative meaning as well
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:12 AM
Sep 2012

I realise that not everyone will find the OP title offensive, which is why I did not alert but just put a note in thread.

The problem is that the OP title is, in essence, "Man nails woman", at which point I would expect the insensitive to make some jokes on the lines of "But are you sure Michelle is a woman??". There could then be a long and involved argument about the use of seemingly inoffensive words but what it boils down to is that there are other ways of phrasing the OP title that do not risk offense; for example the simple change to "David Frum nails Malkin's Bigotry" would be sufficient.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
13. No, I recognise that words are important
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:17 AM
Sep 2012

I also recognise that there are many people who do not see this; not because of any lack of empathy but because they cannot see the implications for more sensitive or vulnerable people. Precisely because I am not affected by such phrasings (my reply #11) I have had to teach myself to be more aware of how insulting such things can be. Before you go searching there have been times when I have got it wrong.

None of us are telepaths nor are we precogniscent therefore it is incumbent on us to be clear and generous

BTW the jury system is pretty much a lottery on cases like this.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
10. Oh, come on. Really?
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 07:06 AM
Sep 2012

You think DUers are too immature to see past the wording of the title? And if some nitwit does make a Beavis & Butthead comment, will the rest of us be too fragile to go on with our day? Please, someone think of the children!

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
11. I am saying that possible accidental offense can be avoided
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:04 AM
Sep 2012

You may not think taking care about this is possible, but I do.

There are many people you would regard as "immature" or "overly sensitive" and some of them are regular posters. This thread title does not affect me (I am male) but I am adult enough to recognise how easy it is to insult or belittle others. If you think double entendres such as this are permissible I would be fascinated to see your response to the blog post Schrödinger’s Rapist http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger’s-rapist-or-a-guy’s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
12. Fair enough. I would use a different choice of words, myself.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:15 AM
Sep 2012

The double entendre did cross my mind, but, there are seemingly double entendres all day long that mature adults can register in their minds without being distracted by them. I usually make a quick mental note of it, and assess whether it is relevant or not. In this case, "nailed" is completely irrelevant, and is probably just an accidentally poor choice of words.

Teenagers get distracted by double entendres. Bevis and Butthead is kind of classic! Teenagers find sexual meanings when there are none, and yet they often miss the subtle, intentional sexual context. I worked with teenagers enough to know this.

The thread title does not affect me either, and I am female. I don't need any advice how to avoid coming across as a rapist, LOL.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
14. It's only one paragraph, but it's a good one
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:37 AM
Sep 2012
The question is not to deplore, but to understand. Where do emotions like these come from? How is it that so many who seem to be such golden winners of life's lottery manage to generate so much hatred, fear, and contempt for those who have fared less well? It would make an ugly kind of sense if such rage were expressed by those who had less against those who had more. But who stands at the highest window in the building to drop slop onto the heads of the unfortunates standing 10 or 12 stories below?


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