What do you make of this Michael Moore opinion? Michael Moore warns that Donald Trump is on course t

[Farmgirl1961]

Being an alarmist or do we heed his warnings?

Michael Moore warns that Donald Trump is on course to repeat 2016 win.

Film-maker says enthusiasm for president in swing states is ‘off the charts’ and urges everyone to commit to getting 100 people to vote.

The documentary film-maker Michael Moore has warned that Donald Trump appears to have such momentum in some battleground states that liberals risk a repeat of 2016 when so many wrote off Trump only to see him grab the White House.

“Sorry to have to provide the reality check again,” he said.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning

[LakeArenal]

1. Who? Line up Moore with Sarandon and Turner.

[wcmagumba]

4. and Bill Maher...

libertarian suck butt that he is....

[LakeArenal]

10. Yes.

What a weird turn when I respect SteveSchmidt and opposite for those above. 🤪🤪🇺🇸🇺🇸

[Cha]

70. "Has anyone checked on Michael Moore & his Epic Fail tonight?"

Link to tweet

[enid602]

2. Lighter

This is scary. Under the OP, I just saw an ad for a trump 2020 lighter. The expensive kind; not a throw away.

[octoberlib]

3. How does Moore know that enthusiasm for Trump in swing states is off the charts.

It's a cult and they love their dear leader. What matters is the numbers. He's probably upset Ralph Nader isn't running again.

[Farmgirl1961]

9. Maybe we should assume it to be true and work harder than ever

to make it untrue? Perhaps Michael Moore is wY out in left field. But I do think the tRump and co. will and are doing EVERYTHING possible, to turn this to their favor. They can only “win” through suppressing the vote, cheating, stealing and manipulating. BUT think about it...this is exactly how tRump has “succeeded” his entire life.

You better believe he’ll doing everything in his and Putin’s power to stay just where he is.

[octoberlib]

13. Democrats will be working as hard as they ever have to get Trump out, regardless.

Michael Moore is a troll.

[Castiel]

15. He was right about 2016 though.

[Farmgirl1961]

19. Yes, unfortunately he was...

So does that give him an insider’s perspective on things? Or is he just trying to rile things up? Either way, it’s scary to think about.

[octoberlib]

23. Everybody's right in a blue moon. He's been wrong about a hell of a lot things, too.

Don't pay attention to trolls and vote.

[JI7]

39. Moore ignores the cheating which makes him full of shit.

[doc03]

46. That is the scary part and he is right at least in Ohio, western PA and WV the enthusiasm of

Trump voters is even more than in 2016. I have seen one sign locally "Anyone but Trump" and I have the lone bumper sticker
so far. I was in Granville Ohio last week I did see Biden signs there, it is home of Dennison University. I was also at Buckeye lake the same day practically every house has a Trump flag. I am not so confidant about our chances. I just hope that things are different in Cleveland and other cities to counteract the nuts in the country.

[dansolo]

77. More enthusiasm perhaps, but smaller numbers

His followers may be more enthusiastic now, but their numbers are much smaller. He has lost some Republican support, and a lot of Independent support.

[Chipper Chat]

5. I drove the Indiana countryside today

And saw 3 trump pence signs In front yards. One of them a giant lit up One with balloons and crepe paper or something flapping crazy people here

[Thekaspervote]

49. We will never take IN, what did you expect?

[Chipper Chat]

74. There is even one that says

Keep trump impeach Congress

[Freethinker65]

6. If Fear of a Trump second term motivates voters for Biden, I have no problem with this.

I don't care for Michael Moore much anymore, though I support his freedom to speak for himself. I just hope he doesn't end up monopolizing the media's time. Their are other people to interview besides Michael Moore.

[Yavin4]

68. Who is he motivating exactly?

Most of his audience will be voting for Biden and volunteering. Who is he trying to motivate?

[Progressive dog]

7. Moore is being an alarmist

[LW1977]

8. Moore can go the fuck away!

Sick of him!

[dem4decades]

11. Why hate him for being right in 2016, he was issuing a warning. It wasn't heeded.

[Champion Jack]

22. Bingo

[Thekaspervote]

29. I don't think anyone hates him for being right in 16! He stirred the pot supported Stein,

Was ABSOLUTELY hateful to Hillary, hangs out with Sarandon, nina turner, Cornell west.

He can f..k off

[JI7]

36. He wasn't right in 2016 because he ignores the cheating

[USALiberal]

81. Can you link me to the best source of the cheating proof? nt

[doc03]

50. We heard "She has this" and "Your concern is noted" in 2016. nt

[vercetti2021]

18. Lmao

Guy with 116 posts and been here for 4 years. No thanks

[Terry_M]

25. let's attack the # of years the person has been here when we can't attack the message?

THIS ELECTION IS NOT IN THE BAG.

[vercetti2021]

47. Read my response

I'm not delusional. But I'm not gonna be doom and gloom either.

[Cha]

64. Nobody Says "The ELECTION IS IN THE BAG"

[if..fish..had..wings]

30. I'm sorry but

why the disrespect? I was here for years before the hack.

I think people on the left think the election is going to magically work, everyone will vote, the votes will be counted, Joe will win and Trump will go away.

I think that is fantasy. Trump is going nowhere. He will not honor the results of the election and there is no plan for what to do after that except civil unrest, violence, military intervention or whatever.

So keep your opinion of ME to yourself, respond to my opinion.

[vercetti2021]

42. Okay I'll respond to your opinion

You said we are delusional. Okay awesome. Here's my rebuttal. People are gonna vote massively. People hate Trump. Swing voters and independents are not gonna be voting this time for him. Hes lost voters and gained none.

He can scream cry and whine when its announced he has lost and whether or not he wanted to leave. Come January 20th. He would be a trespasser on government property and Biden would have him removed regardless.

He can cause damage between Nov 3rd til Jan 20th. But if Biden blows him out. His screaming will go no where.

I'm not delusional. But I'm tired of people thinking hes gonna somehow remain in power when he lost. People are too doom and gloom on here and I'm frankly fucking tired of it.

Be positive, go register to phone bank, canvass your neighborhood, donate and most importantly gotv

[Thekaspervote]

53. Exactly posting doom and gloom and calling people delusional isn't helpful

[vercetti2021]

62. I do worry

But I don't believe its gonna be like some power grab when you lost. I just don't see it

[smirkymonkey]

69. +1000

[Thekaspervote]

24. Stir stir stir

[Celerity]

14. there are two main 'new' dangers that in theory could push Trump to squeak out a stolen 'win' again

1. Massive riots spin out of control based off future events, and Rump uses this to terrify huge swathes of swing voters into supporting him.

2. The whole mail-in ballot destruction/suppression/invalidation schema combined with the already pre-existing voter suppression/roll purging. In addition to that there will be a Trumpian army of goons nationwide (especially in the swing states and key House districts and finally the several key Senate race states that are not actually swing states other than those Senate races) that will be deployed to further suppress same day Democratic voting (planned out down to granular precinct level in many cases) and also to challenge damn near every mail-in ballot if they (the goons) are allowed to be observers during the counting. COVID-19 will play a part in all this as well.


Remove those two dangers to a large degree, Trump will be crushed.

[octoberlib]

27. I suspect that RW groups will be showing up wherever there's a protest to

burn, loot and destroy and the protestors will get blamed.

[Celerity]

44. Absolutely, this is all being coordinated at the top via the laying out of a broad series of goals,

areas of focus, and templates. Then it is shovelled down the food chain to granular, on-the-ground levels of kinetic action. It uses social media as its vascular system once you go down past the very top level or two.

[SpaceNeedle]

66. For the sake of his health

Michael Moore should hit the gym instead of the media circuit.

[Celerity]

72. I was not commenting on Moore, I have no particular love for him nt

[SWBTATTReg]

16. Moore is delusional...

[Ferrets are Cool]

17. I would rather do as he says and get out the vote

than believe we have an insurmountable lead and get complacent. Maybe his message has the wrong delivery, but it is not bad advice.

[JI7]

32. Is there anyone saying not to get out the vote ?

[vercetti2021]

20. Let me break this down

People are not gonna sit this out like 2016. People know who they are up against, they will not get complacent, they won't vote 3rd party again, Joe is highly likable.

No one sane is gonna sit this out.

[Thekaspervote]

21. I say Moody Analytics who's called every election correctly since 1980 says it's a Biden win

I say Charlie Cook says it’s not even a close race

Here’s the link to Moody analytics

https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2020/us-presidential-election-update


And mm go hang out with sarandon or nina turner and stop stirring shit!!

[cry baby]

26. He was right in 2016 and most of us, including me,

scoffed at and ridiculed him.

I don’t like him much, but he was right.

[JI7]

31. No he wasn't right since he doesn't mention the Russian Attack on the elections

[Thekaspervote]

33. See post #29

[qazplm135]

54. Who did he predict in 2008, 2012, or 2018?

Was he right any of those times?

(Spoiler alert: he wasn't).

[ProfessorGAC]

58. Was He?

When he predicted the win, he was talking about the popular vote.
PINO did not win the popular vote.
Moore lucked into being right.

[JI7]

28. How come Michael Moore never mentions cheating ? It's like he wants to legitimize Trump

And how come he didn't act the same way during the primary with the negativity towards the candidate he supported in the Primary ?

Instead he would ridicule other democratic candidates. But he doesn't do the same with Trump.

[Thekaspervote]

38. Exactly.. he gets on teefee and has a soap box if things are upside down. Never offers help

Just bloviates

[Me.]

34. Of Course He Does

It's his happy way to lots of talk shows abd attention. Has he endoresed Biden/Harris?

[jalan48]

35. We will ignore him now and blame him later.

[mn9driver]

37. Moore predicted that Trump would be the GOP candidate in December 2015.

He also predicted Trump would win the election in early summer of 2016.

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-moore-predicted-trump-path-to-win-2016-11

I wouldn’t dismiss his opinion too casually.

[Thekaspervote]

45. I don't think anyone is dismissing his prediction...he's no friend to the Dems, was horrible to HRC

And like me, Sounds like most would prefer he just go away.

He hangs out with Jill Stein, susan Sarandon, nina turner..no thx!

Does he do campaign rallies? Lend his name in support? Does he work against voter suppression? No he doesn’t. He doesn’t lead, he doesn’t follow, he’s just gets in the way!!

[mn9driver]

56. Plenty of people on this very thread are dismissing his prediction.

I don’t have a high opinion of MM or any of the other people you mentioned; I don’t consider them to be democrats or even necessarily on our side. But his predictions in 2015 and 2016 regarding Trump were correct. And now he is making another prediction.

Trump is certainly not out of the race yet. We have work to do to make sure Biden wins.

[JI7]

63. Because Michael Moore Ignores Cheating and has been propping up Trump

[Farmgirl1961]

73. I'm not dismissing his prediction.

I can’t tell if he’s being an alarmist, if he’s stating this to make sure we get off our asses and take nothing for granted, or is dead wrong.

But no, not dismissing it. tRump has rabid followers who will lie, cheat, steal and kill for him.

[JI7]

40. Michael Moore wants to Legitimize a Trump "win" by ignoring the cheating

[Farmgirl1961]

41. Rather than slay the messenger, or those who think it possible

what if we took it as a possibility- and used it to scare the CRAP out of everyone to not sit this one out.

This does feel different to me than 2016. Biden is more like able and we are in the worst economic and health crisis to the likes we’ve ever seen. And it’s ALL on tRump’s watch.

But tRump is emboldened and I think even more of a sociopath than 2016. I do think he will do anything and everything to stay in power and we must come at this election with that in mind.

[JI7]

43. Michael Moore attacked Joe Biden and propped up Trump during the Tulsa Rally

Talked about how so many people were lining up for Trump and implying nobody likes Biden.

When People did line up for Biden to vote for him in huge numbers during the primary.

[Thekaspervote]

48. That's right!! He an awful person, and no friend to the dems

[vercetti2021]

51. Be we are delusional

According to a few posters here. Yeah MM is still butthurt that Bernie got smoked by Joe. So of course attack Joe and help Trump. MM needs Trump to make more craptastic documentaries

[octoberlib]

55. +1

[Cha]

65. That's right.. "Has anyone checked on Michael Moore & his Epic FAIL tonight?"

Link to tweet

[UCmeNdc]

52. Look! Trump voters are going to turn out and vote for Trump

It is up to the Democratic leadership to recognize that as fact.

Now how do we as democratic voters ensure our side turns out and vote plus that vote is counted?

Trump and the GOP is doing everything they can do to suppress the Democratic party voter right to vote and have it correctly counted.

Does the Democratic Party Leadership have the vote counting mechanics under control?

Are the prepared for the coming fight and Donald Trump's ability to control the counting of votes?

Remember you only have to cheat in Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in certain counties to flip the election.

No one is suppressing the Trump voters' right to vote.

[FloridaBlues]

59. We know trump supporters are amped up but so are we.

[customerserviceguy]

57. Alarmist? Maybe

but he warned us last time, too.

[maxrandb]

60. I'm beginning to wonder what Vlad has on Moore n/t

Stories like this are designed to do nothing else but try to discourage people or make them feel hopeless.

But let me tell you what I do know.

If, after the past 4 years, by some fucking act of God, Donnie Dipshit is elected, this country is finished .

If, after all the corruption, the lies, the fraud, the rasicm and hate, the terrorism, the complete destruction of everything decent, the lawlessness, the stupidity and ignorance... and the deaths ...a majority of Americans in enough electoral states return this prick to office, the United States will no longer exist.

You think the majority of folks in Blue States are going to hang around while he fucking punishes them... and he will punish them. Hell, he already is.

No, this ends one of two ways

One: He loses and the country begins the heavy lifting to repair the damage, including constitutional amendents and checks and balances with real teeth to better counter presidential abuses of power. There will also be work to be done to ensure this can't happen again, and that a backwards ass State like Kentucky doesn't have the power to shutdown the entire Senate because they continue to send Dipshits like McConnell and Rand Paul to the Senate, and to ensure that a fucking cow in Montana has more power over the country than a citizen of Florida. Elimination of the electoral college, starehood for Puerto Rico, DC, Guam, The US Virgin islands and Marianas Territory.

Two:. He eeks out a narrow win and the country splinters into dozens of pieces. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Blue States requesting admission to the EU.

There's no way this country stays together if he were to again lose by millions of votes, but win the presidency

That's what's at stake.

So, forgive me if I don't give a shit how many Donnie Shit for Brains signs are on the drive from Dumbfuckistan, PA to Shithole, OH.

We vote...we WIN

We win, we have a chance to save the United States.

We get discouraged and stay home and this country is over.

[Sunsky]

61. Another name to add

to my trash bin. I don't give a crap about Moore's opinions. This is his usual MO.

[Cha]

67. "Has anyone checked on Michael Moore & his Epic Fail tonight?"

Link to tweet

[struggle4progress]

71. We can win but we won't necessarily win. So work against Trump, as if it's close,

because no one knows the future

[oswaldactedalone]

75. Criticize the messenger all you want

but Michael Moore speaks the truth. We've been amused by the Lincoln Project and others but in my opinion, they've been ineffective.
Where are Steyer's and Bloomberg's promised campaign contributions to GOTV?

[budkin]

76. His schtick is so tired

I can’t stand listening to his doom and gloom anymore.

[Beringia]

78. DU is basically anti-Moore, so I don't even need to read the comments

Obviously Moore knows the political landscape well.

[anamnua]

79. I think Mike Moore gets an unfair bad press here.

As a serial follower of his YouTube clips it is clear that he is viscerally anti-Trump (comparing the rise of Trumpism to the rise of Nazism in 30’s Germany); was quite pro-Hillary last time out; has a political outlook that accords with the party platform; and simply wants to guard against complacency.

[ansible]

80. There's a dangerous level of complacency going on here

Even worse, any criticism just gets deleted